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Coharie Roy
11-19-2001, 11:30 AM
Thought the following web sites on Mongolian spots might be of interest. Mongolian spots on infants are extremely common among Native Americans, Asians, and Africans, but rare among caucasians.

Apparently, they're quite common among those of Sephardic Jewish as well as Portugese Jewish descent. {Sephardic means Spanish.}

(Many melungeon researchers claim a Portugese connection. They may be right. After the Spanish Inquisition of 1492, and the Portugese Inquisition of 1497, many Sephardic and Portugese Jews were expelled from Spain and Portugal. Many wound up in Holland [ Is this the origin of the "Black Dutch" ? ], many in Brazil, and many in the Cape Verde, Angola, and Senegal regions of Africa, where they participated with the Portugese as well as the Dutch in the slave trade. They often took native wives. These Sephardic and Portugese Jews found their way to the United States via Holland to New Amsterdam [ New York ], via being sold as slaves, and via other routes. Further evidence of a Sephardic and Portugese Jewish connection is found among the Mattamuskeet Indians of coastal North Carolina, where, in 1701, the famous North Carolina historian, John Lawson, speaks of observing two families of the Mattamuskeet Indians practicing circumcision; a practice he said he'd never observed among any of the numerous other Indian tribes he visited.)
http://www.fwcc.org/mongolianspot.htm
http://www.fpnotebook.com/PED30.htm

Linda
11-19-2001, 10:08 PM
Next time I see my Mattamuskeet friends I'll ask if there was any inkling of a Jewish component to the tribe. I haven't been sure what to make of some of the melungeon components I've heard of. When the proposed component is something other than Native American or African, I'm a little skeptical somebody's trying to avoid something. But perhaps I'm not being fair.

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There's a book that's supposed to be published about now on the Ethnic origins of Melungeons. There's a chapter or two on some DNA research that's been done. I heard one of the results and it's a hoot. Have you heard of mitochondrial DNA? There's only a few variations on this marker for one's mitochondrial DNA, and it's possible to trace where one's matrilineal line traces from (your mother's mother's mother, ad infinitum) Anyway, testing a number of Mohawks turned up the marker for the "Xenia" line -- in other words, this is DNA from the Meditteranean. (There's a TV show on now about "Xenia -- Warrior Princess" with some leggy hot babe doing the Wonder Woman thing.) Anyway, the theory that seems most reasonable to the geneticists who did this study is that during the Ice Age people migrated into the Americas from the Meditteranean. If somebody tells me the Irish are from Xenia too, it might make some sense to me.

Can't wait to hear all the ruckus when this goes public. And people thought they had it bad with the Bering Straights. Now it's coming at them from all directions, even those dreaded W people.

Although it would explain why so many people I run into in Indian country remind me of some of my Mediterranean kin. My Mohawk friend René looks just like my cousin Karen. Sounds like her too.

My matrilineal line could well run into Saponi territory. That would be a stitch. My Mohawk friend's DNA showing they're Meditterreans, while here I am, half Mediterranean, and my test shows Indian. So much for genetic testing for race.

Linda
11-27-2001, 07:57 PM
I got a little brazen the other day and posted the above over at a friend's board. Gotta admit, these Mohawks can take a joke. Take a look at the response I got.
http://pub11.ezboard.com/fwampumchroniclesanythinggoes.showMessage?topicID= 168.topic

troislangues
01-14-2002, 12:37 PM
Turkish Muslims and Jews (Sephardic), Berber Jews and Muslims, Spanish and Portuguese Jews (Sephardic), Moors and African Muslims and Jews are all part of the Melungeon Mix. There were thousands deposited in Virginia by Sir Francis Drake in the 1500's. I definitely have that semitic look in my eyes and face and one of our lines is Cherokee and "Blackfoot" back in Virginia/Carolinas. Why, the other day at work, someone asked me about it and "jokingly" asked if I were allied to the terrorists..hahaha yich!
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http://www.ummah.net/bicnews/BICNews/Books/books8.htm (http://http://www.ummah.net/bicnews/BICNews/Books/books8.htm</A>)[/URL]
http://www.ummah.net/bicnews/BICNews/Books/books8.htm
http://www.colorado.edu/iec/FALL299RW/can.html

I viewed these documents last night but they are not sticking today. Maybe they are in the process of being moved...oy vey...why is this happening? Hey, ancestors, give us a little break here! We need to find y'all!
Fourth try...
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sammarroq
03-10-2008, 12:11 AM
Thought the following web sites on Mongolian spots might be of interest. Mongolian spots on infants are extremely common among Native Americans, Asians, and Africans, but rare among caucasians.

Apparently, they're quite common among those of Sephardic Jewish as well as Portugese Jewish descent. {Sephardic means Spanish.}

(Many melungeon researchers claim a Portugese connection. They may be right. After the Spanish Inquisition of 1492, and the Portugese Inquisition of 1497, many Sephardic and Portugese Jews were expelled from Spain and Portugal. Many wound up in Holland [ Is this the origin of the "Black Dutch" ? ], many in Brazil, and many in the Cape Verde, Angola, and Senegal regions of Africa, where they participated with the Portugese as well as the Dutch in the slave trade. They often took native wives. These Sephardic and Portugese Jews found their way to the United States via Holland to New Amsterdam [ New York ], via being sold as slaves, and via other routes. Further evidence of a Sephardic and Portugese Jewish connection is found among the Mattamuskeet Indians of coastal North Carolina, where, in 1701, the famous North Carolina historian, John Lawson, speaks of observing two families of the Mattamuskeet Indians practicing circumcision; a practice he said he'd never observed among any of the numerous other Indian tribes he visited.)
http://www.fwcc.org/mongolianspot.htm
http://www.fpnotebook.com/PED30.htm

I thought this an interesting post...to bring back

melungeon
03-12-2008, 11:13 AM
Just a note, most of the above in post #4 has been debunked. Drake left no TURKS on the shore. There is documentation that he arrived in England with the Ottoman Sailors. It is scary but I have to agree with Steve on these points:

There are no Melungeon"traits".
There are no Melungeon Diseases.
We are not Desc from stranded Turks.
Brent Kennedys theorys are false and incorrect.

Melungeon was a term given to a certain group of people in the Greasy Rock area of TN and VA. PERIOD.

I am sorry but I do not want anyone to get the wrong idea about who or what the Melungeons were.

Please see this site- the family of the month for March is Minor, the family for Feb was Collins, Jan was Gibson.

http://www.geocities.com/ourmelungeons/fotm.html
http://www.geocities.com/ourmelungeons/front.html

I know I have posted these links before, but this is one of the few sites that only has the documentation for Melungeons that you can use to do your own research. This site is not full of alot of theories but just articles and documents. Tari
:o

Steve-o
03-12-2008, 03:29 PM
Yeah...I am really scary...

BOO! Ha Ha

The truth is what is scary, not people like me who speak it.

sammarroq
03-12-2008, 04:57 PM
Just a note, most of the above in post #4 has been debunked. Drake left no TURKS on the shore. There is documentation that he arrived in England with the Ottoman Sailors. It is scary but I have to agree with Steve on these points:

There are no Melungeon"traits".
There are no Melungeon Diseases.
We are not Desc from stranded Turks.
Brent Kennedys theorys are false and incorrect.

Melungeon was a term given to a certain group of people in the Greasy Rock area of TN and VA. PERIOD.

I am sorry but I do not want anyone to get the wrong idea about who or what the Melungeons were.

Please see this site- the family of the month for March is Minor, the family for Feb was Collins, Jan was Gibson.

http://www.geocities.com/ourmelungeons/fotm.html
http://www.geocities.com/ourmelungeons/front.html

I know I have posted these links before, but this is one of the few sites that only has the documentation for Melungeons that you can use to do your own research. This site is not full of alot of theories but just articles and documents. Tari
:o

I am in agreement as well, just brought it back to try and bring home the fact that these people were Native, maybe mixed, but still Native:)

Steve, I so enjoy that you speak your mind. The truth may "pinch" sometimes, but I would rather have someone set me straight, rather than let me flounder.
Blessings,

Shirley