View Full Version : Request for Carrieswater

09-14-2002, 06:43 PM
CarriesWater-Linda suggested I talk to you.
My family are the Shifletts and Bruces from Albemarle or Orange
County in Va since the late 17th century. Does ayone recognize
these as having Saponi connections? I can give lots of names and
dates is requested.
Bruce and Shiflett are the two primary, but Shiflett has been
spelled: Shiplett, Shiplet, Sheplet, Sheplett, Sheplette, Shurtlef.
Others are: Jordan, Chocahy, McAllister, Walton, Woods, Morrison,
Madison, Minton, Adams. Also, there are the surnames Givens,
King in other Virginia counties (specifically Craig and Allegheny).
The reason is mostly that according to the Shiflett family website
there is speculation about whether the family is native or not.
There is a tiny little bit of information about a Lydia Chocahy
being of Cherokee descent who married Hasting Shiflett in March
1845. However, I have never heard that we were Cherokee and
she was from Georgia [correction, North Carolina] anyway.(Note:
she is not on any rolls that I can determine so far, but it is
rumored that she was "erased" from Cherokee family history when
she married a white man. I have never heard of this particular
cultural "rule" before, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.)
So, I am speculating that since the Shifletts and mostly likely the
Bruces lived in and around Orange/Albemarle County since the
late 17th century using these surnames (and the others I
mentioned), that if there are indeed Native American ancestors in
my family these ancestors would more likely be Saponi or
Mattapony or Pawmunkey, etc.

Any further ideas or suggestion that might helped me figure this


Lee Bruce

vance hawkins
09-16-2002, 12:08 PM
Well I'd like to add a request for that Wood/Woods surname, and add Dickson to it, as my g-g-g-g-grandparents were Wood(male)/Dickson(female). They had a daughter who married a Richey male and they went went to Indiana between 1800 and 1810 from Va. (Several Wood/Woods married Richey's in Indiana and Arkansas, too). Between 1830 and 1840 their kids & grandkids in turn went to Arkansas and settled in and around Powhatan, Arkansas.

vance hawkins

09-16-2002, 10:19 PM
That "rule" was actually more common than most people think. A dear friend of mine has tried to research her family (Osage) line but because her grandmother (full blood) married a white man, they literally erased her from all records. I have yet to figure out how to find any type of records when I see this. Funny how "NDNs" can just drop onto the face of the earth and disappear just as easily.

Crystal http://winwinworld.net/SaponiForum/UBB/smile.gif

09-26-2002, 11:18 AM
rosebud, I've been meaning to reply to your reply. Sorry it has taken me so long. That story, which is posted on the Shiflet family website, was the first time I had heard that "rule." I have always heard that once a family had married into the Cherokee nation all the descendents thereafter were Cherokee--and that that rule was generally upheld until "recently."

Also, I'm wondering how to get response from Carrieswater. I have posted my query for several months now and sent email with no repsonse whatsoever.

Brenda Collins Dillon
09-27-2002, 08:18 AM

Carrieswater (Richard Haithcock) isn't avioding you or anybody else. I recieved a email from his wife Vikki last week. Richard has not been well and is going back and forth to the hospital for test.

I also had tried to reach him when I could NOT gain entrence to his website. All I get is
"forbidden entrence" leaving me to email them personally. I can only pray that he is up and around soon and back with us in our search for our heritage.

I might also remark that Jack Goins and his wife do a lot of traveling to research areas and it is possible that he is not at home at this time. He is usally very dependable and one of my favorite people. jgoins@usit.net

Life is a Rainbow made up of Many Different Colors.....

[This message has been edited by Brenda Collins Dillon (edited 09-27-2002).]

09-28-2002, 08:12 AM
thank you Brenda, I appreciate your information and I will try to wait more patiently for answers!