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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreaminghawk View Post
    This tree says mother's name may be Leisure or Hatfield.

    http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-...ckson&id=I6844

    It doesn't take the Jones line back but follow all other lines back as far as they go and you will find, in the Rose line, Bennett, Merritt, and Bunch.... also many first names that we discuss in the Unusual Names thread. Also you will find that about all these lines come from old Granville co,NC thru TN to KY. This has all the earmarks of being part of the mixed-blood groups we discuss here.

    Welcome to Saponitown. Use the search feature for any of these family names. To be honest, though, DNA family matches is the only way we will truly unravel the exact family connections of the 10,000 mixed-blood Jones' and associated families.
    Thank you for your reply. I have Rose line through the Davis side. I run across the last name Cloud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drees1 View Post
    Thank you for your reply. I have Rose line through the Davis side. I run across the last name Cloud?
    Looking at the 1910 census and genealogy of General Turner, it looks like Johnathan Partin may have been General Turner's step-father. Do you know if this is the case? Marshall Turner and Johnathan Partin being two husbands of Amanda S Rose. There are many Partin family members on the 1910 census sheet that lists Mossie Jones. Partin is listed as a mixed-blood name in the Melungeon Union 2005 thread.

    I also see Lesiure and Harfield listed on Ancestry trees.

    I've seen Cloud here in a few threads. Anne Floating Cloud b.1754(1738?) who married Phillip Buck Spike Williams. in Randolph NC and died 1820 in Kentucky.

    The Cloud name also comes up associated with Collins and others in Moses Riddle thread.



    GrandMother - Potter, Jones, Smith, Gates, Walburn, Good, Routh, Redfern, Brower, Bechtel, Buck, Wiley, Beeler, Kyger, Heaton, Stainbrook, Ihinger, McColley, Thomas, Franklin, Warden, Hurst, Schule, Mauler, Weller, Snyder
    GrandFather - Drybread, Wheatley, Marshall, Cotton, Kitchen, Passmore, Harrell, Coppock, Pontius, Zeller, Waters, Charlton, Sager, Barbee, Wimberley, Decker, Nay, Hibbs, Tucker, Irwin, Baker, Cone, Llewellyn, Bayley, Miller->Bunch
    DNA - Parrish, Merritt, White

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    [QUOTE=MarcSnelling;38168]Looking at the 1910 census and genealogy of General Turner, it looks like Johnathan Partin may have been General Turner's step-father. Do you know if this is the case? Marshall Turner and Johnathan Partin being two husbands of Amanda S Rose. There are many Partin family members on the 1910 census sheet that lists Mossie Jones. Partin is listed as a mixed-blood name in the Melungeon Union 2005 thread.

    I also see Lesiure and Harfield listed on Ancestry trees.

    I've seen Cloud here in a few threads. Anne Floating Cloud b.1754(1738?) who married Phillip Buck Spike Williams. in Randolph NC and died 1820 in Kentucky.

    The Cloud name also comes up associated with Collins and others in Moses Riddle thread.


    Yes- General Turner was the first husband of Amanda Sarah Rose- Johnathon Partin step father. Marshall died young- from what i hear from gun shot wound from Turner feud....I think with Sowders.


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    One of my earliest recorded ancestors were Lucy Mitchell and Benjamin Evans of Granville County N.C. Mydna matches who share those ancestors record Benjamin Evans as descending from a Morris Evans and Polly Gibson. On my maternal side my ancestors also lead to a Moses Gibson in Rappahanock Va. married to an Elizabeth Wynn. They had a son Joe

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    Gourd - Sizemore Testimony

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    James H. Sizemore, being first duly sworn, deposes and says:
    I am 67 years of age and was born and raised in Yadkin County. I have lived here all of my life. I suppose I have Indian blood, as my grandfather was called an Indian doctor. I have never lived with the Indians, and have never received any money from the Government on account of my Indian blood. I have never been enrolled as an Indian.My father was Isom Sizemore. He died about 1881 or 1882 or 1883. He lived in Yadkin most of his life. He was born in Virginia in Halifax County, and after his marriage, moved to Yadkin County.My father lived in Yadkin County in 1851. I supppose he lived in Yadkin County in 1835. He never received any money from the Government on account of his Indian blood. I never heard him say to what tribe of Indians he belonged. I suppose he was a Cherokee Indian. He was just a boy when he moved from Virginia to Stokes County, and then moved to Yadkin County.John Sizemore, was the father of Isom Sizemore. He was never called anything else except Dr. Johnny Sizemore. I think they called him theOld Gourd Doctor. He was born in Cherokee it was said. He died about 1860, I think. In 1851 he lived in Stokes County, and lived there in 1835 also. He came from Virginia to Stokes County. My great grandfather, (I think his name was John) went to Virginia from Cherokee and my grandfather went with him as a boy, and they came from Virginia to Stokes County. My father was 21 years of age at the time of the Jackson War and was drafted. I do not know how long my grandfather was in Virginia at the time of the birth of Isom Sizemore, but they stayed there long enough for Isom to remember Virginia.Dr. Johnny Gourd had fair skin and dark eyes, and light hair. I remember him. He lived with my father right smart while before he died. I have heard my grandfather say that he was an Indian, but I can't recollect him telling of what Indian he was, but he said he was from Cherokee. Dr. Johnny Gourd died in Stokes County.My father voted. He was mustered. I was also mustered.My grandfather John Sizemore had two or three brothers. I think they were George, Ned, and Joel. I do not remember that he had any sisters.Joseph Sizemore is the Joel referred to above as a brother of my grandfather.I never saw Ned Sizemore, and do not recollect where he lived. I do not know Missouri Stephenson.I heard when I was small that Isom Sizemore had Indian blood.My grandfather, John Sizemore, married a Poindexter, as well as I recollect. I do not know her first name.I claim my Indian blood through Isom and John Sizemore, back to my great grandfather. I never heard of my grandfather or great grandfather ever having any other name. My great grandfather lived in Virginia, but was born and married in Cherokee, and then moved to Virginia, when my grandfather was a small boy. My grandfather, John, told me this.I have heard it said that my great grandfather, John Sizemore, was a Captain in the Revolutionary War, fighting with the colonies





    I never claimed the right to land with the Cherokee Indians in Indian Territory. I have never before claimed any rights as a Cherokee Indian, but other members of my family did about 15 or 20 years ago. I never heard whether they got lands or not.There were said to be Indians living in Stokes County. Some of them were called Sizemore, and some Fortners. They lived as citizens and voted. They and their descendants still live there. They never received any money from the government.My brother, Robert Sanders Sizemore, did not file application, as he was too late. Leah Harris of Yadkin County, Rachel Oaks, and Kaziah Stallings are my sisters and have filed applications.I have always been called Indian in the community in which I have lived. They just said we were part Indian, and did not mention the tribe.
    (Signed) James H. Sizemore
    (Copy)
    Subscribed and sworn to before me at East Bend, N. C., this 25th day of March, 1908.
    __________________________
    Assistant to the Special Commisioner
    Court of Claims


    Obtained from the website Sizemore Cherokee Records, maintained by Betty Thomas Finger http://www.sizemorecherokeerecords.c...estimony06.php

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    Names

    Recent research leads me to believe that the Good/Goode/Goad name is a variant of Gourd.

    Another thing I have noticed is Isham/Isom used as a first and last name in this group. Massa (Eastern Siouan translated most often as 'iron') is another name used as a first and last name in this group, in this time period.
    GrandMother - Potter, Jones, Smith, Gates, Walburn, Good, Routh, Redfern, Brower, Bechtel, Buck, Wiley, Beeler, Kyger, Heaton, Stainbrook, Ihinger, McColley, Thomas, Franklin, Warden, Hurst, Schule, Mauler, Weller, Snyder
    GrandFather - Drybread, Wheatley, Marshall, Cotton, Kitchen, Passmore, Harrell, Coppock, Pontius, Zeller, Waters, Charlton, Sager, Barbee, Wimberley, Decker, Nay, Hibbs, Tucker, Irwin, Baker, Cone, Llewellyn, Bayley, Miller->Bunch
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    Isham may have been a common name at the time. I have an ancestor, Isham Talbot. His Isham came from a mother's maiden name. I have seen Isham in several other families.

    Cindy
    Grandmother: McLane, Green, Sinkey, McCartney, Potter, Butt, Huston, Ralston, Horner, Davis, DeMoss, French, Beaver, ...

    Grandfather: Carpenter, Swearingen, Tomlinson, McMurray, Mount, all from PA area. VA and KY areas - Talbot, Schollars, Gordon, Davis, Walker, Featherkile, Morton, Chiles, Grayson, Davis, Moore, Wright, Johns, Carr, Sisk, Isham, Clayton, Shelton

    Paternal is German, documented at Ellis Island.

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    Isom/Isham may be a relatively common first name, but seems an unusual last name. Trying to determine the roots of people with that name. I guess it is an English name of early Virgnians. But are these people really Isham descendants or was it a name that was adopted like my Smith ancestors. Seems like a name chosen by many from this group.

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    English for my family.

    Cindy
    Grandmother: McLane, Green, Sinkey, McCartney, Potter, Butt, Huston, Ralston, Horner, Davis, DeMoss, French, Beaver, ...

    Grandfather: Carpenter, Swearingen, Tomlinson, McMurray, Mount, all from PA area. VA and KY areas - Talbot, Schollars, Gordon, Davis, Walker, Featherkile, Morton, Chiles, Grayson, Davis, Moore, Wright, Johns, Carr, Sisk, Isham, Clayton, Shelton

    Paternal is German, documented at Ellis Island.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sue View Post
    ************************************************** **
    From: Cathy Lynn Routh< cathyr@mcube.com >
    Subject: Cherokee TAYLORS
    Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 14:11:58 -0700 (PDT)
    I am sending a list of surnames that are connected to my large Cherokee Indian
    line. These are all surnames that are either Cherokee or that married a
    Cherokee.
    Bates Fields Long Routh
    Brown Gott Maw Skinner
    Buffington Gourd Mayes Smith
    (From Suzanne-these are only a few names I extracted from the list)
    ************************************************** **
    sue
    Just discovered this morning that our Dora MCS Smith had a wife Addie Brown before Bessie Mae Gates. Addie Brown's mother was Phoebe Ann Gott.
    GrandMother - Potter, Jones, Smith, Gates, Walburn, Good, Routh, Redfern, Brower, Bechtel, Buck, Wiley, Beeler, Kyger, Heaton, Stainbrook, Ihinger, McColley, Thomas, Franklin, Warden, Hurst, Schule, Mauler, Weller, Snyder
    GrandFather - Drybread, Wheatley, Marshall, Cotton, Kitchen, Passmore, Harrell, Coppock, Pontius, Zeller, Waters, Charlton, Sager, Barbee, Wimberley, Decker, Nay, Hibbs, Tucker, Irwin, Baker, Cone, Llewellyn, Bayley, Miller->Bunch
    DNA - Parrish, Merritt, White

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