Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 45

Thread: Saponi Names

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    Massachusetts by way of WVa.
    Posts
    719

    Saponi Names

    SAPONI NATION NAMES ( NAME-TRIBE-YEAR-PLACE) (chief *)

    Amoroleck.............................Monacan..... .....1608.............Virginia
    *Deabedanba........................Nusang......... ....1657.............Northampton,Co. Va
    Monack................................Monakins.... ......1670.............Virginia
    Indian John/Hasecoll/Hasecott..Ocannechi........1673.............Meckle nburg Co. Va.
    *Rosseechy..........................Ocannechi..... ....1676.............Mecklenburg Co. Virginia
    *Shurenough.........................Manakins...... ....1677.............Virginia
    *Mastegonoe........................Saponi......... .....1677.............Virginia
    *Tachapoake........................Saponi......... .....1677.............Virginia
    Eno Will................................Eno/Shakori.......1710.............Virginia
    *Whitmannetaughehee...........Catawba............1 716.............South Carolina
    *Austugah/Sapona................Catawba Ruler.....1720.............South Carolina
    Jessee Heathcock..................Saponi...............17 24............Brunswick Co. Virginia
    *Capt.Tom...........................Saponi........ .......1728............Brunswick Co, Virginia
    *Mahennip...........................Saponi........ .......1728.............Brunswick Co, Virginia
    Tom Irvin.............................Saponi.......... .....1728.............Brunswick Co. Virginia
    HarryIrvin............................Saponi...... .........1728............Brunswick Co. Virginia
    Ned Bearskin.........................Saponi........... ....1728........... Brunswick Co. Virginia
    John Hescott........................Saponi............. ..1728.............Brunswick Co, Virginia
    Pryor..................................Saponi..... ...........1728.............Brunswick Co, Virginia
    Joseph Heathcock.................Saponi ...............1728.............Brunswick Co Virginia
    William Jeffreys.....................Saponi............... .1730's .........Indian School
    Ozato.................................Catawba..... .........1738............South Carolina
    Alex.Macharition...................Saponi......... ........1742............Orange Co. Virginia
    John Bowling........................Saponi............. ....1742...........Orange Co. Virginia
    Maniassa.............................Saponi....... ..........1742............Orange Co.Virginaia
    Tom...................................Saponi...... ...........1742............Orange Co, Virginia
    Isaac Harry..........................Saponi............. ....1742...........Orange Co. Va.Virginia
    Blind Tom............................Saponi............. ....1742............Orange Co, Virginia
    Foolish Jack.........................Saponi............... ..1742............Orange Co, Virginia
    Charles Griffin......................Saponi............... ...1742............Orange Co, Va.
    John Collins.........................Saponi............ ......1742............OrangeCo, Virginia
    Little Jack...........................Saponi............. .....1742............OrangeCo,Va.
    *AratswaHagler...................Catawba.......... ......1748...........North Carolina
    Edward Heathcock.............Saponi...................174 9...........Northampton,NC
    Thomas Heathcock..............Saponi....................1 749..........Northampton, NC
    John Heathcock..................Saponi................. ...1749..........Northampton,NC
    Heskake............................._____......... ...........1753..........Virginia
    *Johnny............................Cheraw......... ..........1768..........SouthCarolin
    Jin...................................Catawba..... .............1774..........BotteroutCo.Virginia
    SimonJeffers/Jeffreys..........Saponi/Catawba........1783..........NorthCarolina
    William Guy.......................Saponi/Catawba........1783..........NorthCarolina
    Kizor Haitcock....................Ocannechi/Saponi.....1787...........MecklenburgCo.Virginia Onoyegeneon....................Tutelo............. ........1789...........New York
    Ontehoghkau.....................Tutelo............ ........1789........... New York
    Haykawyenin.....................Tutelo............ ........1789............NewYork
    Mahionguti........................Tutelo.......... ..........1789............NewYork
    Yenyahkeya......................Tutelo............ ........1789............NewYok
    Kansoreakt.......................Tutelo........... .........1789.............NewYork
    Washomene......................Tutelo............. .......1789.............NewYork
    Konakauney......................Tutelo............ ........1789.............New York
    Porarah............................Tutelo......... ...........1789.............New York
    Nehqueksati......................Tutelo........... .........1789............ NewYork
    Keest...............................Tutelo........ ............1789.............NewYork
    Life is Like a Rainbow....Made up of Many Different Colors

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Dec 1999
    Location
    High Point, NC
    Posts
    3,405

    VA/NC Saponi/Tutelo names

    Allen
    Ammon
    Anderson
    Austen
    Austin
    Barnes
    Bearskin
    Bird
    Bowman
    Braveboy
    Brook
    Brown
    Buck
    Bullen
    Bullian
    Burnett
    Byrd
    Capons
    Carter
    Chavers
    Chavis
    Coaker
    Coker
    Cokerum
    Collins
    Corn
    Cousins
    Day
    Dempsey
    Dixon
    Evans
    Frye
    George
    Gibson
    Gipson
    Goen
    Goings
    Goins
    Gowin
    Griffin
    Guy
    Haith
    Haithcock
    Hammond
    Harris
    Hathcoat
    Hathcock
    Hays
    Haycock
    Haykock
    Hayscock
    Hayth
    Heathcock
    Heacock
    Hecock
    Hethcock
    Hicks
    Jeffreys
    Jeffries
    Jones
    Kimball
    Kimbie
    Lane
    Lawson
    Leder
    Liggin
    McGhee
    Martin
    Mathews
    Mayho
    Mayo
    McGhee
    Mitchell
    Morgan
    Mullens
    Mullins
    Norton
    Oaks
    Paine
    Parker
    Payne
    Pettiford
    Pritchard
    Pritchett
    Pruet
    Ragland
    Ransom
    Ransome
    Revills
    Rollins
    Scott
    Shomac
    shomach
    Sizemore
    Stanley
    Stevens
    Stewart
    Stuart
    Sweat
    Sweet
    Taber
    Taborn
    Tabourne
    Taburn
    Taylor
    Thore
    Tootle
    Tucker
    Tuttero
    Tutterow
    Tuttle
    Valentine
    Walden
    Walker
    Walton
    Washington
    Watkins
    Wetmore
    White
    Whitmore
    Williams
    Williamson
    Winbourn
    Winburn





  3. #3
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Location
    Mebane, NC
    Posts
    242
    I think it is important to keep in mind that the names on this list are, for the most part, common names, and the mere fact that one of them appears in a family tree does not, in and of itself, demonstrate Saponi, or even Indian ancestry. Not every individual found in a historical record with one of these surnames is necessarily Indian. Haithcock, for example, while considered to be Indian by the Occaneechi Tribe when found in connection with the ancestral community in old Brunswick county, Virginia, is never, to our knowledge, identified in a early contemporary record as Saponi, or Indian. ( with the exception of Ohio ex rel. James Jeffyres v. Cedarville Board of Education in 1880, and then only by extension) The same is true for many of the names on this list.

    Not trying to be a wet blanket here, just saying that perhaps a disclaimer is in order, particularly for the benefit of those who are just beginning to look into their own family histories.

    I am in the process of compiling a list of individual surnames counted on some official document as Indian prior to 1900 in Virginia and North Carolina. Hopefully it will be of some use to researchers when complete ( if such a work could ever be truely complete)

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    Massachusetts by way of WVa.
    Posts
    719

    re: Saponi Names

    Forest, I heartly agree. The same holds true with the Melungeon names I submitted.

    The first set of Saponi names above were taken from Haithcock's books and where most are Indian names I felt they were verified.

    Wanted to ask you....Can you lend any information to the Commissioner of Indian affairs in the 1700's by the name of John Collins? Do you know if he was white married to a NA woman,mixed blood himself, or if he had a Indian name and took the Collins name. I know he appears on early documents as John Collins, interperter. Could this be the beginning of the Saponi Collins line? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
    Life is Like a Rainbow....Made up of Many Different Colors

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Location
    Mebane, NC
    Posts
    242
    Hi Brenda,
    I'm sorry, I dont have any info close at hand on John Collins. If I run accross any, I'll pass it on to you.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Dec 1999
    Location
    High Point, NC
    Posts
    3,405
    Yes, I agree. It goes without saying, whenever we refer to any of these names, that they are associated with some Saponi families. It would be absurb to think that all the millions of Collins, or Dixons or Evans in this country are Saponi. I try to always phrase it that way, "names associated with" and that is what I am trying to communicate. If you've got a tradition of native ancestry in your family and you can trace it back to a known location of Saponi families, and lo and behold the family name is on this list, then you've got a good, meaningful lead. If on a personal basis that is enough to satisfy you on the origins of your family stories that is your personal business and your personal right. But it would be naive to think that you have "proven" your ancestry in a legal or academic sense.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Dec 2002
    Location
    Yorktown, Virginia
    Posts
    134
    When you see or feel the validation, that, too me is all the proof I need. I, like you and all the board, are trying to trace the lineage but for me, it's more of a spiritual search than anything else. It's knowing that the bonds we form, even through modern technology, is from the ancestors, from Spirit, from our hearts. It's knowing what the true meaning of tribal is. Family. The fortune of belonging to each other. Just my thoughts. You know cause you know cause you know.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Dec 1999
    Location
    High Point, NC
    Posts
    3,405
    I know just what you mean.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Fort Washington, Maryland
    Posts
    11
    There is also a book by Paul Heinegg named Free African Americans of North Carolina, Virginia, and South Carolina, It has genealogies from the colonial period to about 1820 that contain a lot of the same surnames. Back then you could be Indian or African depending on who was looking or what was happening at the time. I found my Benjamin Richardson in there who was I believe to be Saponi.

    PS Paul has a web page with a lot of the same information.
    Rod Northern

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Oct 2001
    Location
    Saponi Nation
    Posts
    122
    Seems like we all want or need documentation on Indian names. I found this and wanted to produce it for evidence. Itís not one of my people but hope it will help someone.

    Abstracts of the Minutes of the
    Court of Pleas and Quarter
    Sessions Rowan County,
    North Carolina 1753-1762
    II:72 19 April 1755

    (spelling is uncorrected)
    Esquires present: Jas Carter, Jno Handby, Alexr Osburn & Thos Potts. Ö Whereas John Auston a Saponia Indian and Mary a Susquhanah Indian and Thos a Cattaaba applied for a pass to the Cataba Nation being now on their Journey to conclude a Genl Peace with ye Catabas in behalf of the Sd Nation and also presented 3 Belts of Wampum to Sd Court by which the sd Treaty is to be concluded.

    Copyright Jo White Linn 1977

    Mrs. Stahle Linn, Jr.
    Box 1948
    Salisbury, N.C. 28144

    Stamped (Carnegie Public Library, Washington C. H., Ohio 43160)

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Dec 1999
    Location
    High Point, NC
    Posts
    3,405
    Thanks! Now we know what the deal is with the Austin name.

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Jan 2002
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    1,461
    Hello All, 4 what it's worth, those names that are spelled out to be of Indian origin the names such a Ozato etc would eventually give way either to a bastardization of the name or to names such as Ned Bear Skin that is they would be translated to English.
    The best method of seeing who's who if you can't find the atrophied etomology then look to census records etc.
    My Uncles name was Charles in the Lower Cherokee traditions Charles is Charlie, playing on the Cherokee word for lichen meaning to stay close to the family.
    This type of progression needs to be considered here, there are many names that have under gone this transformation, a sacred name "white Woman" is "boogered" into Blanche!
    Best to All. Tom

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Location
    Iowa
    Posts
    1,835
    Hmmm,

    Wonder if Ozato became Oswalt. Bill has been looking for an elusive ancestor of mine, Andrew Huston. A sister of one of the many Andrew Hustons who come from central PA married into the Oswalt line. The Oswalt genforum speaks of Blackfoot ancestry from northern Ohio.

    Cindy

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Dec 1999
    Location
    High Point, NC
    Posts
    3,405
    Interesting angle. I've been thinking a long time about that same process in conjunction with the theory that the town name of Sissipaha or Saxapahaw is a corruption of the old words for 'blackfoot.'

    The 'haw' ending has always bothered me. Foot is 'isi' and black is 'asepa.' But what does the 'ha' at the end come from?

    I think I've found the answer. The Tutelo words for 'blacken' is 'asepihiye'. So if the huge settlement in the Haw river valley was called 'Isi Asepihiye' and the English heard it, the first thing they'd do is slur all the double vowels. English speakers can't deal with that. They also can't deal with accenting the even numbered syllables the way native languages are generally spoken. So, they'd drop the initial 'i' sound. Given those assumptions,

    isi asepihiye = sissipaha

    I think this makes for an exceptionally 'clean' corruption. It also makes sense as a name when you consider that the Haw river valley is the largest fertile plain in the region. The people there were great, prosperous farmers. Native farmers used slash and burn agriculture. Hence the emphasis on blackened feet. That's where their prosperity came from, the crux of their economy. From the archeological evidence, they were a very dense population. Epidemics spread through them like wildfire. And once the economy switched to the fur trade in order to compete in the European-imposed arms race, agriculture lost its importance economically.

    The name Blackfoot would then have evoked memories of a much kinder and gentler past. Something a people facing chaos and obvlivion would have treasured. And that's why so many of us were still being taught that name three hundred years later.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Indianapolis
    Posts
    2,316
    I think that is a sound hypothesis, linguistically and culturally.
    Your "mind meld" is tremendous.

Similar Threads

  1. Saponi town and Saponi island photos
    By Ga-Nc Collins in forum Share History Research
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 04-29-2008, 09:32 AM
  2. Saponi Melungeon ( Saponi) Resources
    By kimmcarthur in forum Shoot the Breeze
    Replies: 51
    Last Post: 09-07-2007, 04:45 PM
  3. Running List Of Names w/Blackfoot Story Not Currently Verified As Saponi
    By Wachinika in forum Share Genealogy Research
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 03-26-2007, 05:51 PM
  4. saponi baby names
    By ADillard in forum Share History Research
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 11-09-2004, 07:23 PM
  5. Any of these names Saponi?
    By spilleddi in forum Share Genealogy Research
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 03-25-2004, 12:17 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •