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quest for facts wrote: Hi Everyone,
The last couple days I’ve been working on my Etheredge line….remember back when I told you all I had reason to believe Caleb Etheredge married Sally Thrower. Well in the last days I have learned her mother was Phoebe Malone….her grandmother was Mary Wynne…ggrandmother Mary Jones…gggrandmother Margarent Wood and ggggrandmother Ann Jeffries. Joshua Wynne the indian interpreter is in this lineage apparently in 1702 he was part of the group that went north to work the treaty with the Seneca he was shot and killed in 1715 by a Sappony indian in retaliation of the killing of a great man in the tribe. One of Joshua servants apparently killed the Sappony and he was killed to even the score….one great man for one great man is what the Saponny told the court and no one was convicted of his death. From this lineage it appears there is considerable NA in this line…whether it is Saponi or Nottoway is questionable. I welcome any thoughts or comments you many have about what I have learned. BTW when Joshua went north in 1702 he went with the Nottoway and Meherrin.
Linda
Hey Linda, You mentioned above, Mary Jones, Margaret Wood, and Ann Jeffries. All these are direct ancestors of mine through my Mama’s side of the Jones family. If I’m correct, I believe that Mary “Batte” Jones was the wife of Peter Jones Jr of Prince George and Henrico Co, VA, Margaret Wood was the wife of Peter Jones Sr. of Prince George, VA and Anne Jeffries was the wife of Richard Jones of Prince George, VA. Margaret Wood’s father, Abraham Wood and my ancestor Peter Jones were indian Traders. My side of the Jones family migrated down from VA to Halifax Co, NC and then down to GA. Thanks, Gavin
Brenda Collins Dillon wrote: Pertaining to the documented surnames:
[Alexander Machartoon, John Bowling, Manincassa, Capt. Tom, Isaac, Harry, Blind Tom, Foolish Jack, Charles Griffin, John Collins, Little Jack, Indians being brought before the Court]
Charles Griffin, the origional, was supposely a white teacher but this document includes this “Charles Griffin” as an “Indian”. Does this mean an Indian took the name for himself making there two Charles Griffin?
http://www.geocities.com/frankoclark/richland/griffin.html
John Griffin’s family received a 250 acres grant on the waters of the Congaree (Toms and Griffins Creek area) in the year 1764. These Griffins were part of the large “free-person-of-color” community in Richland County c1790-1850. Were these the “Sandhillers?” John was possibly half Indian, perhaps Cherokee. His wife’s father was part Saponi from North Carolina. Absalom GRIFFIN, who lived in Richland c1770, was not listed as a person of color, so he and John may have been a half brothers. Sons were Gideon, Morgan and John. Daughter was Hannah or Johannah.
Referring back to names in document……Capt Tom and Blind Tom
The John Griffin recieved a land grant on waters of Congaree (Toms & Griffin Creek) I often wandered if when the Saponi’s left the county of Orange Virginia if they didn’t settled in in this area? Could this John & Absalom Griffin be related to Charles Griffin?
Perhaps if we look a little closer we might be able to find some of the other names in the document.
In essay titled “The Last Indians in Orange County, VA”, author cites document which states “the following ~Sapony Indians were arrested for hog stealing, burning the woods, etc, and brought to Orange County Court (held near Somerville Ford on the Rapidan River); their names were Alex ~Machartion, John Bowling, ~Maniassa, ~Caft Tom, Isaac Harry, Blind Tom., Foolish Jack, Charles Griffin, John Collins and Little Jack.” Describes trial, guns taken, ordered to leave county, “several white gentlemen sympathizing with them, went security on their bail bonds, and the poor fellows soon settled up their affairs and left the county. Tradition however says Page 1 2 that one remained and long lived on the ~Gwin Mountains below Rapidan Station”. At Orange County Court in May 1740 William Bohannon made oath that “about 26 ~Saponey Indians, who inhabited Col. ~Spotwood’s land in ~Fox’s Neck (near ~Germanna on north side of Rapidan River) do mischief..” ~Grinnan saysthis ~Saponey band lived near & on the ~Meherrin River, Southern VA. Gov. Spotswood made efforts to “educate & Christianize them. They had schools and school-master and a minister, and were considered civilized Indians.” Hazel, Forest. 1991. ~”Occaneechi-Saponi Descendants in the North Carolina Piedmont”, Southern Indian Studies, V. 40: 2-29. Includes MAP of 4 contemporary ~Saponi communities in NC: the ~Orange/Alamance “Texas” or “Pleasant Grove Community”; the ~Alamance Co. ~”Burnette’s Chapel Community” with ~Bowdens, ~Burnettes, Whites, and ~Allens that may be of ~”Sissipahau” descent; the ~”Goinstown Community” in Rockingham Co. ~Goins, Hickman, Harris, Richardson, ~Kimmons; the Macon Co. settlement; and the Pre~-1780 settlement in ~Greensville Co., VA. 1701 the ~Occaneechi signed a treaty with VA, document shows ~Occaneechi, ~Stuckanok, & ~Tuttero signed treaty sep~arately, but were “dominated by the ~Saponi”. Fort ~Christianna operated from 1714~-17, (near present Lawrenceville, ~VA, where they had a school ~(Griffin’s School, Charles Griffin schoolmaster) & a minister, fort also served as trading center; trade & interpreter with Saponi~-Occaneechi
Hi Ms Collins, I am new to SaponiTown and this is the first time that I have posted. I hope that I am doing it right. I saw your post on the Griffin Family of Richland County S.C. I believe that these Griffins do have a connection to the Saponi along with the Rawlinson side of my family. I know that Rawlinson is not a name that is commonly associated with the Saponi, but I will try to explain the connection here. From Studying migration patterns of various families that were considered “free persons of color” or “other free”, I have come to believe that my Rawlinson family are descendants of the Saponi. My family migrated from Virginia to N.C. to S.C. and then to GA and North FL. From my research I know that the Griffins and Rawlinsons along with other surnames associated with the Saponi and other Eastern Siouan Indians like the Bunchs, Jeffries, Harris, Chavis and Jacobs were listed in the 1750 tax lists of Granville Co. N.C. as “other free” or “free persons of Color”. These families, with others, migrated from the Granville Co. area to the Richland Co. S.C. area. “John Griffins family received a 250 acres grant on the waters of the Congaree(Toms and Griffins Creek area) in the year 1764. These Griffins were part of a large free person of color community in Richland County c1790-1850.” My Rawlinson family was also recorded in S.C. records as recieving land in the same area. In 1764, William Rawlinson recorded a plat of land for 400 acres and in 1769 Benjamin Rawlinson, my 5th Grt Grandfather, recorded a memorial for 200 acres on Congaree and Wateree Rivers. In 1770, he recorded a memorial for 100 acres between Wateree and Congaree Rivers(Toms and Griffins Creek Area). Benjamin’s daughter Patience married Gideon Griffin, the son of John Griffin and Miles Bunch. Miles Bunch was the daughter of Gideon Bunch. In this area, there WAS a Large commnity of “other free” or “free persons of color”. In 1810 there were 10 Rawlinson/Rollinson families listed a “Other Free”. Also in this same area in 1810, there are several other families listed as “Other Free” which are surnames that are associated with the Saponi, Catawba, Lumbee and Other Eastern Siouan Indians which included: Griffin, Jeffries, Harris, Evans, Scott, Jacobs, Chavis and Sweat. In a tax document from 1822 of Richland District, S.C., a list of free people of color delinquent in the personal tax expected of them included the names, Harris, Oxendine, Wilson, Locklier, Sweat, Gibson, Jacobs, Chavis, Simmons and Jones. All these families and others made up this Large “Free Person of Color” or “Other Free” Community in Richland Co. S.C. From my reaearch of these families and their migration patterns, I am almost certain that they were descendants of the Saponi and other Eastern Siouan Tribes. I hope that I explained the connection were it is understandable. I would also like to mention other names within my family that are connected to Eastern Siouan Indians and Melungeons. My family names are: Roberson, Kelly, Evans, Jones, Wood, Davis, Johns, Walker, West and Ammons
Hi Everyone, I was wondering if there has been any new information on this. I am very interested in joining this association. If anyone has any new info, please pass it on. Thanks Gavin, AKA “Whitehawk”
rodtree20744 wrote: There is also a book by Paul Heinegg named Free African Americans of North Carolina, Virginia, and South Carolina, It has genealogies from the colonial period to about 1820 that contain a lot of the same surnames. Back then you could be Indian or African depending on who was looking or what was happening at the time. I found my Benjamin Richardson in there who was I believe to be Saponi.
PS Paul has a web page with a lot of the same information.
Hi rodtree20744, I to have family that is documented in this book and I agree with you. The name of the book is Free African Americans of N.C., Virginia and S.C. but many of these families documeted in this book were Indian or Mixed Indian from various tribes throughout this region. It even has sections listed in the book that make references to indian families.
Coharie Roy wrote: Sekon,
I’m unfamiliar with the Coharie surname, ARRINGTON. Do you mean BREWINGTON? Brewington is far and away the most common surname among the Coharie.
Other very common Coharie surnames are: Simmons, Emanuel/Manuel, Maynor, Jacobs, Strickland, Bell, Hardin, Whitehead, Bedsole, Ammons, and Carters.
Additional surnames found among the Coharie are Goodman, Burnette, Wilkins, Faircloth, Chance, Warrick, Jones, Groves, Robinson, and Smith.
Surnames closely associated with the Coharie are Seaberry, Thomas, and Ransom.
Coharie surnames shared with the Lumbee are Chavis, Lowry, and Locklear.
The above are the old names; names which appear on Mr. Enoch Emanuel’s 1916 family history/census. I’m sure that other more recent surnames have entered the Coharie as a result of post 1916 marriages.
Hi Coharie Roy, I am a descendant of the Ammons family that was in the Wayne and Sampson County Area of N.C. in the mid 1700’s. My 5th Grt Grandfather was Thomas Ammons and from research I have found that he was supposedly born near Torhunta(an Indian farming Community) around 1749. His wife’s name was Bertha(Last Name Unknown). His Brother was Joshua Ammons who was married to Mary Francis Parker and they had a son named Jessie Ammons. There Father is believed to be John Jacob Ammons. My 4th Grt Grandfather was William Ammons and he is the one that migrated to South Georgia where I was reared. My family strongly believes that we have connections to the Coharie Tribe through the Ammons line. I would like to ask if you might have any information that would help me to tie this connection together.
Sekon wrote: Hi Roy. Yes, I know those names and they are very common Coharie names. One of my best friends is a Coharie Ammons. But I do know of several people who are Coharie,(all related), with the last name of Arrington. It’s possible that the name came from intermarriage.
~Sekon~
[This message has been edited by Sekon (edited 12-02-2001).]
Hi Sekon, I am a descendant of the Ammons family that was in the Wayne and Sampson County Area of N.C. in the mid 1700’s. My 5th Grt Grandfather was Thomas Ammons and from research I have found that he was supposedly born near Torhunta(an Indian farming Community) around 1749. His wife’s name was Bertha(Last Name Unknown). His Brother was Joshua Ammons who was married to Mary Francis Parker and they had a son named Jessie Ammons. Their Father is believed to be John Jacob Ammons. My 4th Grt Grandfather was William Ammons and he is the one that migrated to South Georgia where I was reared. My family strongly believes that we have connections to the Coharie Tribe through the Ammons line. I would like to ask if you might or your Ammons Friend might have any information that would help me to tie this connection together. Thanks.
Thanks Coharie Roy. After I sent you an e-mail in reply to your post, I notice the contact information for Mr. Pate on the Book website. I e-mailed Mr. Pate in reference to my Ammons family line. Thank you very much for your help.
Hi Coharie Roy, My e-mail did not go through to Mr. Pate. If you have any other contact information on him, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.
Coharie Roy,
Over the weekend I found this contact on an Ammons Geneaolgy Forum in reference to the Coharie. His name is Chip Pate and I am assuming he is kin to Al Pate. On the forum he was searching for information on the Ammons family associated with the Coharie. I e-mailed him, but have not received a response back yet. His e-mail address is chip@pateandassociates.com. I thought that you might be interested in this information. Thanks.
danricecote wrote: Now, just for the record, my wife is a Pate and has her genealogy back to Adam almost – however, she did not remember having an “Al” and also no “Ammons” families. They didn’t come thru Cumberland way that we know of though … they came from England (Holland?) on the Mormon trail (yes, that’s right, they walked on water then) and ended up being visible from IL to the west.
Danricecote, Al Pate is an arthur of a book that is being written about the Coharie/Coree Nation/Tribe. This text can be found at http://www.dickshovel.com/procoreepro.html. Since your wife is a Pate, then she may be interested in reading this book.
