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November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #1893
I have been looking at old maps and found a couple of place names to check , also I did a search of sorts and came up with this family. I have no idea who they are but they have some interesting materials this is from
jeanhounshellpeppers.com/mypage.html
Some of my surnames are: Bagley/Castle/Cox/Daniels/Gearheart/Graham//Hagaman
Heffner/Hounshell/Howard/Martin/Mayo/Messersmith/Morgan/VanHoose to name a few!
Most of my ancestors are of Scott/Irish and Dutch/German Descent,
hard working Farmers & Coal Miners. The following account of the first
settlers of S/E Kentucky is from the book, by William C Kozee
“Pioneer Families of Eastern and Southeastern Kentucky”
(I have underlined surnames of my family ties)
Pioneer Settlers ,From Whence
And How They Came
As soon as the treaty of peace between England and America was signed 1783 there was a great inrush of new-comers into Kentucky. They came over the Wilderness Road, they came down the Ohio River, they tramped over the Cumberlands-population flowing in at a rate estimated at 8,000 to 10,000 a year. They were Ango-Saxon stock, they were of English descent, descendants of Huguenots from France, from Germans from the Palatinate, of Scotch-Irish from Ulster, Northern Ireland, they were youths fresh from the Revolutionary War to whom land grants had been given, they came from Pennsylvania, Maryland, and the Carolinas, and an important quota came from Connecticut, New York and New Jersey.
The early settlers of the mountains of Kentucky were principally an overflow from the great stream of immigration westward bound from the seaboard towns of Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey and Maryland and the plantations of Virginia and the Carolinas. These people were for the most part home-seekers. Making their way & up the great Valley of Virginia with the Blue Ridge to the East and the Alleghanies to the West, the most of these pioneers passed from the Shenandoah onto the headwaters of the New River, and thence to the Holston, the Clinch and Powell Rivers. From this point the principal trail led most of them through the Cumberland Gap into Kentucky over the Wilderness Road. Some keeping on, however, followed down the Clinch and the Holston and made their way over into Central Tennessee, while others continued to push even further into the Southwest.
During the height of this great transmontane migration from 1785 to 1810 a few of the pioneers, annually, turned northward into the New River Valley and others left the trail for the North at Fort Chiswell (in present day Wythe County, Virginia). These were principally Virginian and Carolinian, home-seekers, who were attracted by the reports of the rich bottom lands in the river valleys. They made their way over the heads of the Kentucky, the Tug and the Levisa forks. Others particularly those from New Jersey, New York and New England, continued westwardly to Pittsburg and from thence they came down the Ohio River in flatboats.
The First Settlers
There was no record of any white men having permanently settled in the mountain region of Kentucky prior to 1789. About this time emigrants began coming to the Big Sandy Valley from Virginia and Maryland. In that year the Leslies attempted to form a settlement at the mouth of Pond Creek on the Tug River, but were driven out by the vigilance of the Indians.They returned however, in 1791; but instead of locating at the mouth of Pond Creek, they crossed over to Johns Creek and formed what was later known as the LeslieSettlement. About this time came the Damrons, Harmons, Auxiers, Grahams, Browns, Marcums, Johns, Hammonds, Weddingtons, Morgans, Harrises, Pinsons, Walkers, Williamsons, Marrs, Mayos, Lackeys, Laynes, Prestons, Borderses, and many others. Following these closely came the Clarks, Belchers, Brewers, Bevins, Dixons, Cecils, Goffs, Ganards, Hatchers, Meades, McGuires, McDowells, Millards, Fulkersons, Hatfields, Porters, Runyons, Friends, Ratliffs, Osborns, Staffords, Strattons, Robinsons, Stumps.
While these pioneer families were immigrating to the Big Sandy Valley the Adames, Campbells, Mays, Finleys, Martins, Hayes, Blackburns, Andersons, Saylers, Days Smiths, Taylors, Combses, Stallards, Lewises, Collinses, Webbs, Wrights, Kellys, Caudills, Crafts and Hammonds were settling on the head-waters of the Cumberland and Kentucky Rivers. Many of these families also came to the Big Sandy. Peace having been restored along the frontier settlements by the terms of the Treaty of Greenville (1795) after the defeat of he Indians by General Mad Anthony Wayne at the Fallens Timbers (1794) and no futher dangers being apprehended from the Indians, there was a great rush ;to the most desirable parts of the New River Valley and westward by the people from eastern Virginia and western North Carolina. The middle New River settled rapidly. Coincident with this increase in immigration a vast throng of people from the New River settlements and the Ohio and settled on the Big Sandy, the Guyandotte and the Coal waters, even reaching the Ohio. Among those pioneer settlers were the McCommases, Chapmans, Lucases, Smiths, Coopers, Naipers, Hunters, Adkinses, Accords, Allens, Fryes,Dingesses, Lusks,Shannons, Baileys, Jarrells, Egglestons, Fergusons, Marcums, Hatfields, Bromfields, Haldeons, Lamberts, Pauleys, Lawsons, Workmans, Prices, Cookes, Clays, Godbeys, Huffs, McDonalds, Whites, Farleys, Keezees, Perdues, Ballards, Barretts, Toneys,Conleys, Stallings, Strattons, Buchanans, Deskins, Bryans, Van Hooses and many others who largely peopled the section and left honored descendants thoughout it. A great number of these families finally settled on the Kentucky side of the Tug Fork and the Big Sandy River.
Near the forks of the Big Sandy, Samuel Short reared his cabin (near Cassville) about 1796 followed by others in 1798 and subsequent years. On the upper waters of Twelve Pole the first settlers arrived in 1799. The present territory of Cabell County was settled at a comparatively later date. The earliest settlements in the territory were on the Savage Grant, made in 1775, to Captin John Savage and his company of soldiers of the French Indian War.
November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #17599James Chiles and the Reverend Craig had been held in the Goal on charges of ‘religious blasphamy’ but escaped with the help of ‘freindly’ neighbors, in 1780 Orange Co., Va (Orange County Quarterly Court Records).
James Chiles then led the “zealot” Rev. Craig’s 600-some-odd-followers out of Orange Co., Va, and according to the Rev.Craig’s Diary, camped underway in the Cumberland Gap on New Year’s Eve, 1780/1. And they weren’t the first ones there – but almost.
The Rev. Craig estabished the Elkhorn church on the south side of the Elkhorn branch of the Kentucky River in the late spring of 1781, which is now in the southeastern suburbs of the city of Frankfort, Ky.
James Chiles’s son David married the Rev. James Craig’s daughter Elizabeth. David became a ‘General’ of Ky Volunteers during the War of 1812 and fought his father’s traditional enemies, the Iroquois and Algonquin, in Indiana and Ohio, with some success. Some from both sides were mine.
In any historical/cultural context, this would be construed as “a sad tale, but true”.
We are all Human.
Bill
p.s….
the “Last Indian Massaker” in Indiana was at Pigeon Roost, now in Scott Co., (southern) Indiana, in 1825. A trader by the name of COLLINS (do-tell?) was acussed of defrauding the Indian HENDRICKS people (born NC) and they took exception to their cousins cheating them. My “Savage Indian” (local farmers from NC) cousins, did kill several of my COLLINS cousins but missed the ‘perp’ who escaped to his relatives block-house and no one was ever pursued or prosequted – the whole thing ‘laid off’ on those ‘renigagd shah-neew’ – everyone knows THEY’re Savages!!!!!
Anyone wanna’ buy some swamp land’? 🙂
bc
November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #17608I believe there were some Richey’s at Pigeon Roost.
vance
November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #17647There is some great close up maps from about 1840 on White County Tn ‘s web site the area from Asheville Nc north into KY, that 4 corners area , really great!
November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #17649http://www.geocities.com/ron65081/new-madrid-earthquake.html
The following is from the website above —
Our Collings & Richey Ancestors
The Collings and the Richey families are recorded in some of the interesting history of the United States. They also lived through events that are quite amazing and important when studying the lives of the ancestors in Jacob C. Ulmer’s descendant lineage. Events such as the New Madrid earthquake in the winter of 1811 and 1812, and the Pigeon Roost Massacre of 1812 are among those events.
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Dr. John Richey and Sichey Collings were the first couple married in Scott Co. in 1810. They lived in the area of the settlement to the southwest. Dr. John was working in the field when he heard shots and saw smoke rising from the homes of the settlement. Realizing what was happening; he took Sichey upon his back and fled through the cornfield. They hid in the woods until dark and then laboriously made their way to Zebulon’s blockhouse the following morning. Sichey delivered their first child shortly after the massacre
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Those of you who are descendants of Jacob Ulmer and Burnettie Richey are also descendants of William E. “Longknife” Collings. He was Burnettie’s grandfather.
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I have never seen a link between this Dr. John Richey and my farmer ancestor also named John Richey, but both emigrated to Indiana about the same time. But I have seen his name for many years wondering if they might be related. I have never seen those people spell their “Collings” surname as “Collins”, but they very well might have the same origin. Perhaps your trader is not related to this Collings/Richey family. Was there a second massacre in 1825? The one I am farmiliar with was in 1812.
Thre is also a map on this website showing the effect where the New Madrid Earthquake was felt — it was well felt in Gibson Couty, In, where my Woods/Dickson/Richey’s were by that time, so I imagine they felt it pretty good.
vance
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PS —
just found this —
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inscott/PigeonRoost.html
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“After the time of the Pigeon Roost Massacre, many of the settlers on the northern and western frontiers of Clark, Jefferson, Harrison and Knox counties lived in a state of alarm until the close of the war in 1815.” Mr. Zebulon Collings, who had the blockhouse within five or six miles of the Pigeon Roost settlement says: “The manner in which I used to work in those perilous times was as follows: On all occasions I carried my rifle, tomahawk, and butcher knife, with a loaded pistol in my belt.”
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So the blockhouse was owned by Zebulon Collings. so it might be the same as the Collins you mention, Bill. I guess they spelled it 2 different ways.
November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #17650Vance,
I was in Indianapolis over the weekend and picked up an 1824 map of Indiana. Looking at the locations they have for where NA were found, it will be interesting to see the results of the DNA test I sent to National Geographic. My ggggrandfather (Rhoads) was born in 1814 north of Fort Wayne. The map shows Miami and Pottawatomie Indians there. He married a woman whose surname was Brown from Ohio. The test is of course, the female one.
Techteach
November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #17652Techteach,
http://www.statelib.lib.in.us/www/ihb/amerindians/findingsettlements.html
Here is a link to a map of Indian setlements in Indiana in 1810. Note the “Nanticoke” are mentioned as being in Indiana. I mentioned this map before when the Blackfoot Town of Maryland was being discussed on another thread.
It seemed like a possile connection between Blacktown, Md and a possible Blackfoot connection in Indiana. The Nanticoke of Indiana were surrounded by Delaware villages with a Munsee village nearby also.
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Does your 1824 map show all of Indiana? Does it show the location Indian towns? Do they correspond to the locations on the map to which I just provided a link? Hope so — original sources (such as that map) are always better than computer generated maps. It would be nice if the maps confirm one another.
You mentioned the National Geographic site. Every tiime I have tried to find that site I have gotten the “this page can not be displayed” message so I have never found it. For some reason it is invisible to my computer. 🙁 Good luck with your DNA test. I hope it gives you what you are looking for.
I did the Hawkins test (y -male) and it gave me exactly what I expected to find. However it was not a perfect match with any other Hawkins (matched 11 of 12 markers with several, tho). At first I thought we were closely related to them, but I asked and the one marker where mine deviated from theirs was a marker I was told was a very slow-to-mutate marker, meaning we might have deviated from those other Hawkins as far back as 600 years ago. What good is that to us? Until we find someone else taking the test and a obtain 12 of 12 match, we won’t know much I am afraid. It was through with familttree dna.
When I heard of the genetree test to determine race, howbeit with a larger margin for error I sent off for it. Anyone with less that about 1/8 blood might show up with no Indian blood at all, so it is a gamble, based on the margin for error. I can’t really afford these tests, as they are so expensive, but I guess I am obsessed with it.
vance
November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #17654Vance,
There are connections. We found them. I found a family who live in both areas, are buried in the Blackfoot cemetery, and on genforum or one of those places, describe a family story of Blackfoot Indian in the family.
The map does not show towns, but it shows areas. The Pottawatomi are shown up north, the Delaware around Indianapolis, the Kickapoo on the Wabash, and teh Ottaway near Lake Michigan.
I have no expectations from the test, coming from this side. There are no stories on this side. I just thought it would be interesting. I don’t know anything about them, except that this ancestor was born near Fort Wayne and is buried in Tuscararas, OH. And the National Geographic test, although done by Family Tree, does not connect you to others of the family. I kind of expect that option to be added at some point. It is available the other way. For a small fee, we can add our Sinkey results to the study.
Techteach
November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #17923Hey Tom,
Thanks a bunch for posting this link. I have been checking it out some. She has some pretty good sources listed & on line for others research and I’ve already found a couple of early Floyd Co. KY marriages I have been looking for–
Marriage Records of Early SE KY
http://www.jeanhounshellpeppers.com/Eastern_Southeastern_Kentucky_Marriages.html
and she has a copy of the
1810 Floyd Co KY Tax list on line–
http://www.jeanhounshellpeppers.com/floydcotaxs.html
Mainor, Moses
Mainor, James
Mainor, William
Mainor, Lewis
&
Potter, Edward, other interesting names here.
Various bits about WAYLAND, KY, including an old
Swinging Bridge Wayland KY
http://www.jeanhounshellpeppers.com/swbridgeway.jpg
Some other helpful items….
Brenda
November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #179241810 Floyd Co KY Tax list
http://www.jeanhounshellpeppers.com/floydcotaxs.html
Salomons, Rowland
This fellow from the Floyd 1810 list has a first and last name that recalls the eastern shore of MD & DE to me…
November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #19529Here is a reference to some Tug Fork of the Big Sandy history.
Bailey, Rebecca J. 2001. “Matewan Before the Massacre: Politics, Coal, and the Roots of Conflict in Mingo County , 1793–1920” [ W.Va. ]. Ph.D. diss., West Virginia University . 556 pp. Dissertation Abstracts International 62 (2002): 2535A.
I used to be able to read a good deal of this on line at the following link, but now you have to have access now it appears to get to the dissertations.
http://etd.wvu.edu/ETDS/E2043/Bailey_R_Dissertation.pdf.
Includes the early history of the Tug Valley, life before the railroad, the N & W Railroad, industrialization, the King land case, coal mining, the Thacker mine field, social landscape, crisis, mine wars, class tensions, and Matewan Massacre.
Later white settlement of than western KY, ..Willard Rouse Jillison, geologist and historian, described the Tug and Guyandotte Vallies as “a cul-de-sac of Indian supremacy surrounded by white habitation.” — this would be until after the Battle of Fallen Timbers
Fur and gins seng trade network, etc, analyzes the sociohistorical context of the Matewan Massacre.
Brenda
November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #19530Since we are talking about a get together in Big Sandy country, thought I would post a few history sources….
Title: Report, Williamson, West Virginia, December 7, 1934
Author: Francis, Henry W.
Source: Franklin D. Roosevelt Library, Hopkins Papers, Box 66
Date: December 7, 1934
Publisher: Hopkins Papers, FDRL
Type: Letter
http://newdeal.feri.org/hopkins/hop04.htm
“Dear Mr. Hopkins:
“Don’t admire their children,” said the relief visitor as I started out on my first morning in Logan County. “Just admire their guns and their dogs. They’ll understand you better–they’ll think you’re their kind–and they’ll talk more freely…. They’re bad and they’re proud of it. If you don’t believe they’re bad they’ll prove it to you. If they don’t like you they’d just as soon shoot you as not. I’m a native of this state and I’m right about that; you may depend upon it. Why, two men were shot yesterday in Hatch Creek. There’s shooting every Saturday over there. And down in “Bloody Mingo” it’s worse still.”
For six days I have been traveling in Logan and Mingo. I have made more than 450 miles by automobile and on foot. I have visited the “hottest spots” in Mingo and some, described as “pretty bad” in Logan. I have found worse living conditions and more cause for discontent than I have ever seen anywhere. But nowhere have I encountered hostility–even sullenness has been rare. On the contrary, I have been treated with kindness and met with understanding. I leave Mingo amazed at the docility and capacity for suffering of most of these people who, I had always understood, were hot-headed and temperamentally given to unreasoning revolt. I have found more common sense in the mining camps and in the dark hovels of mountain ravines than I have in the homes and offices of the controlling class. ……”
Brenda
November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #19532THE FOUNDING OF HARMAN’S STATION With An Account Of The Indian Captivity Of Mrs. Jennie Wiley And The Exploration And Settlement of The Big Sandy Valley In the Virginias And Kentucky by William Elsey Connelly is on line at the link above, spelled “Harmon”.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyboyd/general/HarmonStationPDF
The Tutelo presence along the Big Sandy or Toterro River is noted. See footnotes page 52 & 55. “Toteros” “Shataras”.
The author provides alternative renderings of Jennie’s capture and escape from a band composed of [p. 33] 2 Cherokee, 3 Shawnee, 3 Wyandots, and 3 Delawares………., as well as his own interpretation of the event/details.
The Harman / Harmon family is discussed, as well as the Connelly, Wiley, and other families that settled in the area.
The book is important in the history of the Big Sandy & Tug River Valley region of SE KY & SW WV, VA, while it of course contains some of the natural limitations of these early histories.
In this current look at it I am noticing other little points like Harmans reputed to be “Indian fighters”- wasn’t everybody?- and Long hunters with a great animosity toward Indians, but in another place it is indicated that Harman & the Cherokee who figures in the fight around War, WV were at one time friends and both served as scouts on the Sandy Creek Voyage or Expedition under Lewis. An, oh so small reference to “friendly Indians, who verified some of the details of Jennie’s ordeal, etc. Cherokee bands living along the Ohio River at the time, the multi-tribal nature of some of the bands that traveled together…..little details that may be important.
[Apparently there is a tradition that some of the Harmans are mixed blood, possibly Shawnee.]
[The TOTEROS reputed to have had a town on the Lick Fork of Jennie’s Creek [Tutelo, Shateras, Toterro, etc.] and the Shawnee account of their cabin locations….. Connelley stated that he would discuss further the various locations of Totero towns in “some future publication”. I haven’t found that future publication and wonder if he got around to it. Wonder if any library received Connelley’s notes when he died????]
Brenda
November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #19533Here is a link to the families who have files abvailable in Pikeville. These are from the Henry Scalf Collection.
http://library.pc.edu/special/societyscalf.htm
November 18, 2005 at 10:11 pm #19791Bringing forward…
Brenda
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