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January 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #34910ShadowParticipant
Just checking to see if this forum/site is still active. looks like all the activity stopped over a year ago. 3 years on this forum.
ShadowJanuary 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #34911LindaKeymaster
The forum as a whole is alive and well. This section is not the only place that people with the Blackfoot ID post, and not necessarily the only place that discussions concerning the Blackfoot ID happen.
We’re still here!January 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #34937miz313Participant
Im kind of late to this forum topic but are did any blackfoot indians exist or people who thought they were blackfoot but could’ve been of another tribe in ooltewah,tennessee?January 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #35019
How interesting! I have pondered exactly what is happening here in my own family research. My dad often told me that his people told him they were Blackfeet/foot Indians. I’ve not found a lick of info, just brick walls. I had someone tell me that there were Blackfoot Indians in the Carolinas. I was told that there were Indians in the Annapolis, Maryland, even in my family — oral history and some small evidence of Native American Indians (e.g., features, clothing styles, a pot, oral history). From a spiritual perspective when praying often times there is a Native American Indian presence which comes through. I can only hold onto what I knwo in the spiritual realm — there is a knowing and a longing to know who I am and where my people come from.
No doubt that yes mixed, but mixed with what?
Here’s my theory for my area…
Those ancestors who are/were Native American Indians during the yera of enrollment — may not have enrolled in the governement’s plans (e.g. Dawes Roll) therefore we have no evidence of their existance. I have yet to find one ancestors’ name enrolled anywhere. I have a name of “Jenny MATTHEWS” (last name not for certain) but jenny and the DENNIS/MATTHEWS we are told are Native American Indians.
The flip side, my friend who may actually be relative and a lead — her HOLLAND-MOSS aunt is Choctaw and enrolled. Her aunt has shut down and not very helpful with giving info. But yet my girlfriend/cousin tells me all the time i look like her people. The HOLLANDS clan is a mysterious clan, and I understand there are I think four different groups — oy-veh!
When I pray and seek I am given Cherokee and this was before I even met my cousin who gave me the pieces mentioned above. I know Spirit wouldn’t and hasn’t led me wrong thus far. It is a deep knowing within my spirit. I would love to find the truth.
PS: My friend whom I spoke of in my threads, well I found his father and indeed his dad was enrolled in the Dawes. That was the first time I had found anyone’s actually ancestor enrolled. How exciting an experience that was for both of us.January 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #35038
No disrespect intended, but my senitments exactly! I am chuckling along with you, weeeee, I’ve had some hair raising experiences in looking for truth about my family history and so I just let it happen. I get info prior to the physical presenting its self — that angel dust…things are right under our physical noses. When I keep bumping into a certain piece of physical evidence, I just tuck it away until the time presents its self.
I know I joined this web site in 2005, but there is something pressing. guiding, leading me to be active now. Other pieces are now into play here that wasn’t then, and I must be obedient to how the Spirit leads me and so I’m letting it flow…
Slowly I am disgesting this all…
Linda;2518 wrote: Bottom line, this is getting into the realm of religion. Maybe you all, (I mean, ya huc) will think I’m nuts, but I really think a big reason we’re finding out so much now is because our Ancestors want us to. I think that’s why I keep stumbling onto all this evidence. “Somebody’s” throwing it into my path.
I know now when some uncanny coincidence in this regard comes along my role is to suspend all judgment and just let it take me where it will. I met somebody a few months ago that I had every reason to dislike and distrust, but the uncanny coincidence thing was going on, the angel dust was in the air, and I just let it go where it wanted to go and all my initial judgments based on evidence turned out to be completely false.January 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #35041
Forest;2523 wrote: Many familiar names applied: Revels…
Sorry about multiple postings…I am reading through this interesting post and writing before fibro fog sets in and train of thought is lost…
REVEL is a name in the MOSS family here in Annapolis, MD and in fact a prominent name I believe of one of the five MOSS brothers, so important that they named a street after him, the house where my Jospehine worked (and Mom was at 5 mths) for Judge Robert MOSS (her real dad) sits right at REVEL and Shipwright in downtown Annapolis. I am posting hopefully to help establish a base line for research and where to begin to understand the how and where of oral Blackfoot history origin.
Richard MOSSE was one killed during the 1st Indian Massacre in Jamestown, VA. The MOSSE/MOSS migrated up the Severn River…the documentation in the archive of this family is one of the most extensive thorough files in Maryland, so much so you could follow their wealth and activities. Unfortunately when ones goes to get this info — it’s not there, hmmm. So as a place to begin, this info may lend to some closed doors on origin for the oral Blackfoot history which hasn’t been documented.January 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #35042
Thank you CoheeLady
If we cherish the gifts given and listen to how we are directed in Spirit, by the Spirit — then we can never stray from the direction given — in spirit! Ministry has taught me to walk in the Spirit and not the physical…
I don’t consider myseft a great history expert in terms of rattling off specific facts. It takes me a tad bit of time to digest all facts. However I cherish the gifts given, one of which is the gift to discern, visions, sometimes deep visions and interpretation. I would be lost if I didn’t listen to how my ancestors are guiding me. I have to trust them! I use to think something was wrong with me when I find myself cooking in the kitchen and humming (spirituals most times) until my Mom told me her mother was a great cook and often hummed. Now where did that come from…I look at my grandmother’s picture and ask her to speak to me, and one day she did. With no real facts in hands Cherokee fell into my spirit. I like Linda’ analogy of “angel dust” on this journey — we are led if we listen. My point, get past the isms/schism of divisions (which what the evil ones want us to focus on) and work on one accord to uncover the truth which has been buried long enough. You can’t dispute DNA nor should we discount other’s history…
CoheeLady;2555 wrote: … After the boundary change in the 1800’s Va. was no longer Cherokee territory. So all those that stayed behind were no longer officially Cherokee. If someone has Cherokee ancestry at birth, you can’t take it away, simple as that…
CoheeladyJanuary 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #35118baldsasquatchParticipant
Hello, first post here, Google brought me here, and I apologize if this posting is in the wrong forum. I remember from my childhood sitting in my grandmother’s kitchen, and her telling us that there was something about us that we didn’t know yet. She showed us a picture of a Native American man, in a head-dress, and told us that he was a Blackfoot Indian, and that we were descendants of his. I have nothing else to go on, aside from a picture in my head, and the statement from my grandmother. I now have 5 children, and it has become important to me to find out “who I am” and “what heritage I pass on to my children.” As I said, Google brought me here, and I would love it if anyone could provide any assistance / guidance in getting me to a determination of what I actually am.January 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #35119
Hello baldsasquatch.When I found this forum and joined it a couple of years ago, I was in almost the same position as you. All I knew was something that my Mother had told me when I was little boy. Today, through the wisdom and guidance of the inhabitants of Saponitown, I have a very good understanding of where I came from and ‘who I am’. I’m sure sure you will find the answers you need here.
A common thread among the citizens here is to accept what you already know is true, but maybe never had proof. We know who we are, even after all of these years of being written off. You just know what you know.January 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #35120baldsasquatchParticipant
Thank you Three Crows. I realized, I should probably expand on my story just a bit. My wife is 1/4 Cherokee, so the children know their Native roots there, that sort of got me more into figuring out my roots. Last year, I was having a casual conversation with a female co-worker, and after telling her this story, she said that she too is Blackfoot, and the story her mother told her was identical to mine. Weird thing too, Blackfoot, from what I read, the men are tall, and the women are short, I am 6’7″, she is 5’4″. Anyhow, the story my grandmother told me, which my co-worker’s mother told her also is. “A Blackfoot chief sent scouting parties back East, to learn the white man’s ways, and when they got here, they inter-married with the white-men(women) and that is how a tribe known to be Western ended up in the East.” I have recently met yet another co-worker (a man) who said he too is Blackfoot, from the Canadian clans. This has me really wanting to get to the truths. Myself, although I look extremely non-native, try to follow the spiritual teachings that I find myself drawn to, even though I was raised Catholic.January 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #35126
baldsasquatch: There are a number of folks associated with this website that are knowledgeable from an academic standpoint as to the origin of the Eastern Blackfoot. There is a lot of archaeological, historic, genealogical, and anecdotal information available. Although I am 1/8 mixed blood, my children and I appear about as white as can be, but there are some other genetic traits that have come through., I’m sure you can find some direction here.January 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #35130ClydeneParticipant
I thought I’d escape any Blackfoot research since my ancestors were Cherokee and Choctaw and sent to OK in 1830’s. Getting back further and further, I now find a Blackfoot connection for my Williams Family – Interesting stuff. Also interesting about the theory of how the Blackfoot people got back to the eastern shores. What we sometimes forget is that NA’s probably got around more than the whites, especially before their arrival. I found a Choctaw Chief who lived up north part of the time so it did happen and probably more than we realize.
My DNA cousin has researched his Williams back to a Joseph P. Williams in/near Greenville Co., SC in about 1830. From pictures, Joseph is definitely NA and this was passed down to present day. And, as you say, Blackfoot men were very large men – he was very large. My Cherokee ggfa was also 6’7″. I just discovered another Williams Family with pictures and their guy and ours could be the same man. They report that he was a Blackfoot from Robeson Co., NC and his wife was Cherokee. Robeson Co. did have Indian Lands then and now but they are not recognized even though they waved to the first ships with the white fellas on them when they arrived…tee hee.
My John Jefferson Williams married Nancy M. Bowles, a descendant of Pocahontas through the Bolling Family. When researching the Bollings, it was reported that Thomas Rolfe’s mother, Pocahontas’, was Cherokee. No, I’m not making this up. I found a document in the Richmond Historical Society that this is stated by one of the Bollings who knew Thomas personally so it likely has some merit. Just making the point that even in very early days many members of many Tribes were in many places. And, since there is not and never has been a tribe named Powhatan, this gives this statement more merit.
I do have a friend who is Blackfoot but her people were in Washington State. Their name became Morgan after their Blackfoot lady married a John Morgan..just FYI.
Thanks for any and all Blackfoot informationJanuary 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #35192LindaKeymaster
If you’ll see my article at http://www.saponitown.com/Blackfoot.htm the Blackfoot we’re researching here have no connection to the Algonquin Blackfoot in Montana. Ours are a Siouan group, part of the Siouan nations of the NC/VA Piedmont. The Western Sioux also have a Blackfoot group called the Sihisapa, Teton Sioux. Here we were called Sissipaha, or Saxapaha, preserved in the town name, Saxapaw, NC.
I’ve seen someone else propose that Pocohontas was Cherokee and get shot down summarily by some enrolled Pamunkey (touchy subject). It may be connected to the general confusion created by the widespread misuse of that tribal name in the 19th century.January 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #35236
Poor Pocohontas, she gets dragged into everything.. Surely the Queen of progenitors.January 2, 2002 at 2:34 pm #35980shirley778446Participant
In my family history the stories and some records show on my mother’s side that our ancestor John Austin sr of VA married a Saponi Indian her name we have yet to learn, the surname of my ancestor records show her childrian to be indian, the other names from the same area is Qualls/Quarles, McBee
On my father’s side Gollihar plus many other spellings from PA is said to be Blackfoot
other naime are Huffman, Plott,Cowan all starting from the PA and VA areas, if anyone can help me with these lines I would appreciate it.
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