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A Tutelo dictionary can be found from the UMI website http://www.umi.com. Look for a Dictionary and Grammar of Tutelo by Giulia Oliverio
Thanks for the link. Do you know what to search on to find her book? I typed in Oliverio, and Tutelo and nothing came up.
Linda just a note, I contacted Arthur MacGregor and he’s sending some info to me when I get it I’ll share it with you,I’m posting some photos to you today. please answer my last emails. Best to all Tom.
I got through on the phone too, but I had to be persistent. The lady I talked to couldn’t find the title. I believe it was when I told her it was a dissertation that she found it on another list.
Have you been able to deciper her Linguistics’greek? (As in, “it’s greek to me”) I think most of us would definitely need a middle man to convey the information.
Hello Linda, your pic’s got off ok, I have some info and photos of the bag from Va, in the British Museum, Itconani i hope to hear from you soon via email or on the here. Linda please answer my emails,thanks agian.
sorry so busy!
on the garter –
currently housed in study collection at the Virginia Department of Historical Resources, Richmond VA.
i do not believe it has been photo graphed or studied very much, if it has it would be in the site report. i can get a copy of that report for us if you’d like.
there are quite a few relative sights from this period in southside VA at the VDHR.
also, i could use digital camera to document if needed? let me know more about your cattail weaving for exterior mats. do you have any good resources on those? im interested in the non sewn variety – using a rope binding to create the warp and weft effect.
-buck
Hello Everyone, Linda thanks for being there! Itconani, tell me what is a fire bringer? the cattail mats that you are interested in are woven much the same way that finger woven sashes are done,the ” leaves” are twisted and then commence the over under weave. ,each warp through twist again, you can add or drop a weft just like weaving arrow heads or lightening patterns remember to keep the numbers even and you should keep your frame work very tight the salvage areas should have a binding use a figure 8 stitch back and forth around the edges. Don’t use commercial rope you can twist any fibre into a length including bullrush and barks from saplings etc. Various folks had different types of mats some areas over lap some don’t. If you’re into the cultural area theory then you can sort of deliniate them that way but you’ll find the same methods almost everywhere.That’s it in a nut shell,perhaps we need to xchange snail mails and send things back and forth. Best to all, Tom.
Itconani, some photos of that material in Richmond would be great. Your suggestion of a field trip sounds pretty good too. I’ve been intending to do some research up that way.
Thanks for the pics, edstp, can’t wait to see them.
I had a pleasant surprise this evening. Airy Dixon called. He’s a professor up in New York with Mecklengburg VA ties who’s done a lot of good research on the Saponi. I’ve got a paper of his around here I need to type in and publish here. He says there’s been a lot coming out of the University of Mississippi on the eastern Blackfoot identification. Guess I’ll mosey on over to my search engine and see what I can come up with.
Hello All, Please forgive me for not answering your questions Buck ,I’ve started working Albertas gem stone again and it’s not my space but is okay for now. Any way I would like to see some pic’s of any materials from down there,but the garter for sure and if you have anything that has been written up aswell.Ofcourse if anyone has any information on basket materials coming from Va and E. Nc please I would like to see them. Linda, some friends over in that area of Ms. and La. say that they always see people with that id as Blackfoot and of course Blackfoot Cherokees, I’m sure that there is a vast group of people with that oral history. Our “family” had about 10 children with almost all of them having large families. Have you ever thought about putting a 1-800 # in a city paper saying “Blackfoot/ Cherokees call? I bet it would be a busy line. Best to all Tom
I couldn’t find anything relating to the University of Mississippi and Blackfoot. If anybody knows what to look for, I’d appreciate hearing from you.
Who’s going to spring for that phone bill, edstp?
I’d be willing to pitch in for the bill, we don’t have to run it forever, I’m sure that there must be away to do it,I’d bet it’s cheaper than the classified adds. OH, this week or next you should recieve those photos and I should be able to send some info. from the British museum on to you that they are sending here. I’ll get some good images of that 4 tab bag from va? aswell to you. I’m serious about trying to do a feather mantle if anyone is still interested! would it be possible to start a material culture page on this site Linda?. best to y’all Tom.
Okay, why don’t I just set up a “Recreating Material Culture a/k/a Crafts Corner” section on the forum?
Linda,
I have been able to decipher some of her “greek” because I have taken several linguistic classes in graduate school and because I have also taken and been very successful in a few Lakhota classes, which is very similar to Tutelo. I have also corresponded with her since 1995. If you would ask specific questions about the grammar I might be able to give you specific answers. First of all, Tutelo and all Siouan languages are Subject-Object-Verb (SOV) languages. Let me give you a few examples, ignoring the stress and length of the vowels. By the way a colon (
means that the length of the vowel is twice the length of a short vowel.Anyway my example:
Wa:kta’:ka kiN pi:wa ‘the man is good’
man the good-real
Subject def-art verb
Vs.
Wa:kta:’ka pi: kiN ‘the good man’
man good the
Subject verb def art
In the first example the fact that the man is good is a state of being thus he is verbalized he is being good. The second example does not include a verb, it is the equivilant to what we would call an adjective in English. One might ask the good man did what.
Wa:kta:’ka pi: kiN ophe’:wa ‘the good man goes enters’
This can get quite complex. I have spent numerous days and hours on this and will be happy to answer questions if you have them. I might not be able to answer all of them, but I feel that I am fairly competent in the language.
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