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  • #32912

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Find me in a lie then hahahaha

    You can’t do it.

    Everything I speak is the truth and is backed up.

    Unlike you who change their story on every place you post at…..you can’t even stick to the same story.

    My days are just beginning 🙂

    Now…I remember you mentioned Jack Goins site about Valentine…..and you mentioned me about my geneology.

    http://jgoins.com/valentine_collins_timeline.htm

    Notice the name Lewis Collins who was often around Vardy and Valentine.

    http://www.angelfire.com/wv2/dillon1944/old_thomas_collins_of_flatt_river.htm

    Since you like to always mention Jack Goins.

    Lewis Collins above was the son of John Collins Sr.

    Applied for a Rev. War Pension in Hawkins County, Tennessee.

    “First entered the service in 1778 while living on the Broad River in South Carolina. Moved back to the new River in Montgomery County, Virginia

    etc etc…check the site for the full story.

    #32913

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    The Broad River originates in the Blue Ridge Mountains of eastern Buncombe County, North Carolina[3] and flows generally south-southeastwardly, through or along the boundaries of Rutherford, Polk and Cleveland Counties in North Carolina[4]; and Cherokee, York, Union, Chester, Fairfield, Newberry and Richland Counties in South Carolina.

    Now Stuff from Drury Dobbin’s family bible:

    William1 Dobbins was born 17 Feb 1739/40 in Granville NC, and died 23 Sept 1814 in Rutherford Co NC (S:Texas Daughters Revolutionary Ancestors). He married Susannah Collins before 1762 in Granville Co NC, daughter of William Collins. She was born 27 Feb 1737/38 in Granville Co NC, and died 1 May 1832 in Rutherford Co NC.

    Now drury could have been wrong as to the exact place of birth of Susanna Collins.

    But here is Susanna’s kids information:

    Children of William Dobbins and Susannah Collins are:

    +2 James B.2 Dobbins, born 1762 in Granville Co NC; died 28 Mar 1843 in Cleveland Co NC.

    +3 William2 Dobbins, born 1765 in Granville Co NC.

    +4 Mary (Mollie)2 Dobbins, born 1767 in York SC; died 14 Oct 1854 in Spartanburg SC.

    +5 Frances “Fannie” 2 Dobbins, born 1773 in York SC; died 1863 in Rutherford Co NC.

    +6 Ezekiel2 Dobbins, born 1775 in Rutherford Co NC; died 3 Nov 1857 in Spartanburg SC.

    +7 Drury2 Dobbins, Rev., born 7 Apr 1776 in York Co SC; died 19 May 1847 in Rutherford Co NC.

    8 Elizabeth2 Dobbins married John Hicks. (S:James O. Womack – Forest City, NC).

    +9 Jonathan2 Dobbins, born about 1780; died after 1870.

    William Dobbins SR was buried in the Dobbins-Harrill Cemetery, Rutherford Co NC (S:Graves of Revolutionary War Patriots, Vol I (1987), by Patricia Law Hatcher)

    1790 Rutherford, NC Census:

    1790 R340 RIDLY William M-637 007 117 01 05 02 00 00

    1790 M450 MULLINS Charles M-637 007 118 01 03 04 00 00

    1790 N242 NICHOLS Franklin M-637 007 117 01 00 01 00 00

    1790 G120 GIBS Jesse M-637 007 119 01 01 01 00 00

    1790 G125 GOBSON Jonathan M-637 007 120 01 00 01 00 00

    1790 G615 GRIFFIN Chism M-637 007 116 01 00 02 00 00

    1790 C452 COLLINS Isaac M-637 007 117 01 02 02 00 00

    1790 C452 COLLINS Jonathan M-637 007 117 01 05 03 00 00

    1790 C452 COLLINS Jonathan M-637 007 117 01 05 03 00 00

    1790 C452 COLLINS William M-637 007 119 01 01 02 00 00

    1790 C452 COLLINS William M-637 007 119 01 02 02 00 00

    1790 C452 COLLINS William M-637 007 119 02 00 02 00 00

    1790 C420 COLE Alexander M-637 007 117 01 03 03 00 00

    1790 C400 COLE David M-637 007 117 02 04 04 00 00

    1790 C400 COLE William M-637 007 118 03 03 05 00 00

    1790 D152 DOBBINS James M-637 007 118 01 01 03 00 00

    1790 D152 DOBBINS William M-637 007 118 01 00 01 00 00

    1790 D152 DOBBINS William M-637 007 118 01 04 04 00 00

    1790 J525 JOHNSON Edward M-637 007 120 01 02 02 00 00

    1790 J525 JOHNSON James M-637 007 120 01 00 01 00 00

    1790 J525 JOHNSON James, Jr. M-637 007 120 01 00 07 00 00

    1790 J525 JOHNSON John M-637 007 118 01 01 05 00 00

    1790 J525 JOHNSON Jonathan M-637 007 119 01 00 02 00 00

    1790 J525 JOHNSON William M-637 007 119 01 05 03 00 00

    1790 J525 JOHNSON William M-637 007 119 02 01 02 00 00

    1790 J525 JOHNSON Benjamin M-637 007 119 02 00 03 00 00

    1800 Rutherford Census:

    1800 G520 GOING Alexander M-32 033 114 12101-21201-00

    1800 G520 GOING John M-32 033 113 10100-00100-00

    1800 H625 HARRISON Joseph M-32 033 120 01010-31010-00

    1800 G120 GIBBS James M-32 033 113 00101-11010-00

    1800 G120 GIBBS James M-32 033 113 30010-01100-00

    1800 G120 GIBBS Jesse M-32 033 113 10010-30100-00

    1810 census:

    1810 G500 GOWIN Alexander M-252 042 103 NdRcd

    1810 G500 GOWIN James M-252 042 103 NdRcd

    1810 G500 GOWIN James M-252 042 104 NdRcd

    1810 G500 GOWIN William M-252 042 104 NdRcd

    1810 G520 GOWINS Benjamin M-252 042 103 NdRcd

    1810 E650 ERWIN Gavin M-252 042 099 NdRcd

    1810 E650 ERWIN James M-252 042 100 NdRcd

    #32914

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Rutherford, NC Deeds

    Collins, William / Riddle, William / DDed/18-19/47/1802

    looks like Rutherford NC’s Collins and William Riddle asland transactions together…..William collins was the brother of Susanna Collins (he is in the bible of Drury Dobbins).

    Other rutherford county, nc deed records:

    Broad River Lumber Co. / Mullen, James / DT/R-2/505/1912

    Broad River Lumber Co. / Mullen, James / Mtg/U-1/283/1913

    Lewis, Edward / Mullen, Robert / Deed/36/204/1828

    Eaves, Burwel / Mullens, William / Deed/24-26/249/1808

    Mullins, William / Mullins, Charles / Deed/29-31/206/1817

    Mullins, William / Mullins, Luke / Deed/37-38/215/1830

    Johnston, Daniel / Mullins, Mathew / Deed/15-17/286/1801

    Crowder, William / Mullins, William / Deed/35/12/1825

    Mullen, Evelyn G. & JM / Garabaldi, Indianna / Deed/66/230/1893

    Mullen, James M. / Garabaldi, Indianna / Agmt/66/233/1893

    Mullins, Luke / Warlick Absalom / Deed/36/284/1829

    Mullins, Luke / Tisdale, William A. / Deed/37-38/486/1832

    Mullins, Mathew / Crowder, William / Deed/22-23/669/1807

    Mullins, Peggy / Baber, James / Deed/32-33/535/1821

    Mullins, Robert / Brizendine, Young / Deed/37-38/315/1831

    Mullins, Robert / Brizendine, Young / Mtg/37-38/273/1831

    Mullins, William / Mullins, Charles / Deed/29-31/206/1817

    Mullins, William / Mullins, Luke / Deed/37-38/215/1830

    Some of them are duplicates

    Anderson, John / Nichols & Wilkerson / Mtg/A/65/1885

    Mitchell, NL & S. / Nichols, JA / Deed/54/372/1878

    Miller, James / Nichols, Jacob / Shf D/34/195/1823

    Atchley, J.S. & L.M. / Nichols, Jonathan A./ Deed/62/294/1889

    Bronson, Arthur & Ann E. / Nichols, Perkins / Deed/37-38/4/1829

    Jay, Peter / Nichols, Perkins / QCD/37-38/1/1829

    Flinn, GL & Nancy M. / Nichols, RA / Deed/51/352/1874

    Harris, EC & ML / Nichols, TL / Deed/68/58/1894

    #32915

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    More rutherford nc deeds:

    Collins, Abraham / Dedman, Mark / Deed/22-23/343/1805

    Collins, Abraham / Robinson, Thomas / Deed/22-23/462/1806

    Collins, Abraham / Collins, Martin / Deed/25/82/1809

    Collins, Abraham / Dedman, Thomas / Deed/29-31/534/1819

    Collins, Abraham / Collins, Mary / Deed/34/301/1824

    Collins, Abraham / Burton, Robert H. / Shf D/36/25/1826

    Collins, Abraham / Weathers, William / Shf D/36/183/1828

    Collins, BA & QA / Collins, KJ / Mtg/F/234/1893

    Collins, BA & QA / McBrayer, TL / Mtg/H/192/1896

    Collins, BA & QA / Champion, CM / Deed/70/322/1897

    Collins, BA & QA / Collins, RT / Deed/74/518/1899

    Collins, Ben S. & Nellie A. / Tilden, CW / P of Atty/79/466/1903

    Collins, Betsey & Quince A. / Freeman, ZV / DT/Q/6/1908

    Collins, BZ & JP / Murphy, WM / Deed/91/109/1909

    Collins, BZ & JP / Duncan, Katie / Deed/97/150/1912

    Collins, CA & JL / Tanner, KS / Deed/103/52/1913

    Collins, David G. / Elam, Thomas / Deed/34/274/1824

    Collins, Elizabeth / Collins, William J. / Gift D/36/267/1829

    Collins, H. & ME / Martial, Thomas J. / Deed/54/30/1877

    Collins, H. & ME / Robertson, William H. / Deed/69/50/1895

    Collins, HC & ME / Jones, James H. / Deed/54/28/1877

    Collins, Hrs of RJ / McBrayer, TC / Deed/83/279/1905

    Collins, Ida & R. / Mitchem, WH / Deed/100/257/1914

    Collins, Ida & Richard / Wolverine Gold Mining Co. / Deed/81/413/1905

    Collins, Isaac / Hill, Richard / Shf D/J-L/375/1795

    Collins, James / Mayhew, William T. / Deed/24-26/548/1812

    Collins, James / Wilson, Robert M. / Deed/34/272/1824

    Collins, James / Howel, John, Jr. / Deed/41-42/476/1836

    Collins, James Jr. & James Sr. / Cornwell, Samuel / Deed/43/490/1838

    Collins, James, / Anthony, Jacob / Deed/35/150/1826

    Collins, James, Sr. / Collins, James, Jr. / Deed/39-40/378 & 383/1834

    Collins, John / Collins, James / QCD/32-33/391/1821

    Collins, John / Weathers, William / Deed/32-33/388/1821

    Collins, John / Burge, John / Deed/41-42/366/1836

    Collins, John / Brooks, Isaac / Deed/43/662/1839

    Collins, John / Jolley, Peter / Deed/44/125/1840

    Collins, John & Sarah A. / Gibbs, JM / Deed/60/51/1886

    Collins, Joseph / Bridges, James / Deed/20-21/266/1803

    Collins, Joseph / Gibbs, James / Deed/22-23/5/1804

    Collins, Joseph / Roach, John / Deed/29-31/380/1818

    Collins, JP & QA / Huntley, GM / Deed/80/480/1905

    Collins, JT / Collins, Joseph / Deed/100/595/1915

    Collins, Julia & WM / Green, WA / Deed/70/100/1896

    Collins, Julia & WW / Heath, BD / Mtg/66/314/1893

    Collins, Julia E. / Metcalf, Carrie L. / Deed/106/67/1916

    Collins, Julia E. & WM / Collins, MJ / Deed/68/622/1895

    Collins, Julia E. & WM / Metcalf, Jacob / Mtg/H-2/521/1898

    Collins, Lula & SJ / Whiteside, Wade H. / Deed/78/160/1902

    Collins, Martha / Harrill, John B. / Deed/70/229/1896

    Collins, Martha & RJ / Griffin, Manerva E. / Deed/57/324/1884

    Collins, Martha J. & Rufus J. / Wilkie, GP / Deed/59/50/1885

    Collins, Mary / Dun, Robert / Gift D/32-33/526/1821

    Collins, Mary / Bailey, Samuel / Deed/34/303/1824

    Collins, ME & RJ / Splawn, William / Deed/60/158/1886

    Collins, MJ & RJ / Martin, William / Mtg/B/175/1888

    Collins, MJ & RJ / Collins, QA / Deed/67/378/1894

    Collins, Nannie / Culbreath, LD / Deed/88/525/1908

    Collins, Nannie B. / Bice, EM / P of Atty/88/241/1907

    Collins, RJ / JB Liles Co. / Mtg/B/275/1888

    Collins, RJ / Logan, Emma / B for T/67/59/1893

    Collins, RJ / Logan, Emma / Deed/89/284/1908

    Collins, Russel / Wilson, EW / Mtg/H-3/48/1900

    Collins, Russel / Owens, JA / Deed/77/21/1902

    Collins, Russel / Collins, James P. / Deed/79/240/1903

    Collins, Russell T. / Collins, JT / Deed/73/62/1898

    Collins, Sarah / Callahan, Drury / Deed/41-42/477/1836

    Collins, William / Riddle, William / DDed/18-19/47/1802

    Collins, William / Blanton, Obediah / Deed/22-23/186/1804

    Collins, William / Collins, Samuel / Deed/32-33/77/1819

    Collins, William / Dobbins, Drury / Deed/34/51/1822

    Collins, William F. / Smith, John / Deed/41-42/470/1836

    Collins, WM / Martin, William / Mtg/54/365/1878

    Collins, WM / Yarboro, JH / Mtg/55/224/1880

    Collins, WM / Rutherford RR Const. Co. / R of W/58/89/1885

    Collins, WM / Harrill, JB / Deed/60/378/1886

    Collins, WM / McBrayer, TC / Mtg/H-2/193/1902

    Collins, WM / Williams, BF / Deed/79/76/1903

    Gibbs, Adaline, Laura E., WM / Gibbs, Henry / Deed/94/238/1910

    Gibbs, Andrew / Fowler, William / Deed/97/233/1912

    Gibbs, BF & EP / McCraw, CA / Mtg/M/60/1904

    Gibbs, Eliza A. & WH / McEntire, Susan / Deed/55/331/1880

    Gibbs, Henry / Wiley, John / DT/45/1143/1853

    Gibbs, Henry & Nancy / Whiteside, BL / Agmt/85/50/1906

    Gibbs, Henry, John, Thomas, William / Dimsdale, Neasbit / Deed/45/897/1851

    Gibbs, James / Jay, Joseph / Deed/24-26/390/1811

    Gibbs, Jane / Jones, Standerfer / Deed/41-42/222/1835

    Gibbs, Jane / Gibbs, Nancy / Deed/49/38A/1867

    Gibbs, Jesse / Harrilson, Solomon / Deed/25/15/1809

    Gibbs, Jesse / Roach, John / Deed/24-26/409/1811

    Gibbs, Jesse / Collins, John / Deed/29-31/405/1818

    Gibbs, JH / Gibbs, JC / Deed/93/455/1910

    Gibbs, JH & JC / / Mtg/H-3/336/1903

    Gibbs, John / Gibbs, Jane / Deed/44/154/1841

    Gibbs, John / Searcy, John D. / Deed/48/15/1858

    Gibbs, John / Williams, PD / Mtg/H/56/1895

    Gibbs, John & ML / Lewis, James M. / Deed/71/126/1897

    Gibbs, John F. & ML / Mooney, Raleigh / Deed/91/217/1909

    Gibbs, Lou / Geer, CD / Deed/94/581/1910

    Gibbs, MA & WW / Wilson, WW / Deed/60/117/1886

    Gibbs, Nancy / Eaves, Jane / Deed/50/29/1870

    Gibbs, Obadiah / Greenway, Gideon A. / Deed/44/514/1843

    Gibbs, William / Coward, Benjamin / Deed/45/129/1844

    Gibson, Elizabeth E. & James W. / Morris, George / Deed/51/455/1874

    Gibson, James W. / Hampton, Jefferson / Deed/53/335/1876

    Gibson, Jane / Gibson, Polly / Gift d/44/4/1840

    Gibson, JT / Duffy, Thomas S. / P of A/48/47/1858

    #32916

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Erwin, AB, JC, OC, ME / Hicks, VC / Deed/79/290/1903

    Erwin, AB,LP,OC,Julia C. / Justice, MH / DT/G/532/1895

    Erwin, Anna B. / Flack, JF / DT/L/479/1903

    Erwin, Anna B. & LP / Hill, CE / Deed/75/475/1901

    Erwin, Arthur / Twitty, Robert G. / Deed/47/157/1857

    Erwin, E. & JG / Elliott, TF / Deed/69/83/1895

    Erwin, EJ / Morgan, JW / QCD/48/8/1858

    Erwin, Elizabeth & James G. / Elliott, TF / Deed/71/93/1897

    Erwin, Elizabeth & JG / Gettys, Martha / Deed/59/1/1885

    Erwin, Ellen R. & LP / Erwin, Joseph C. / Deed/62/238/1889

    Erwin, Ellen R. & LP / Erwin, Annie B. / Deed/66/50/1892

    Erwin, Ellen,OC,Julia,Joseph / Dickerson, MO / Deed/84/386/1906

    Erwin, Ellen,OC,Julia,Joseph / Justice, ML / Deed/84/388/1906

    Erwin, Ellen,OC,Julia,Joseph / Clark, RB / Deed/94/526/1910

    Erwin, Elvira J. & JJ / Bettis, SA / Deed/50/464/1872

    Erwin, ER & LP / Cowen, JC / Deed/61/430/1888

    Erwin, ER & LP / Ivy, WC / Deed/61/285/1888

    Erwin, ER & LP / Wallace, ADK / Deed/62/474/1889

    Erwin, ER & LP / Hyder, HL / Deed/63/218/1890

    Erwin, ER & LP / Justice, MH / DT/C/534/1890

    Erwin, ER & LP / Mathews, J. / Deed/63/449/1890

    Erwin, ER & LP / Whiteside, Jacob / Deed/62/581/1890

    Erwin, ER & LP / Cowen, JC / Mtg/D/351/1891

    Erwin, ER & LP / Henderson, MA / Mtg/D/170/1891

    Erwin, ER & LP / Hitchcock, DN / Contract/64/254/1891

    Erwin, ER & LP / Lynch, TM / Deed/64/271/1891

    Erwin, ER & LP / Morrow, DF / Deed/64/510/1891

    Erwin, ER & LP / Wirz, Julius / Deed/64/60/1891

    Erwin, ER & LP / Landie, Margaret E. / Mtg/E/156/1892

    Erwin, ER & LP / Smith, Thomas C. / Deed/77/559/1904

    Erwin, Ermentine & Joseph C. / Elwood, Catherine / Mtg/D/132/1891

    Erwin, Ernestine / Citizens Bldg. & Loan Assoc. / Deed/69/498/1896

    Erwin, Essie M. & Carson / Hines, WJ / Deed/90/116/1909

    Erwin, Essie M. & OC / Hodge, Henry / Deed/88/29/1907

    Erwin, Essie M. & OC / McMorris, WT / Mtg/R/50/1909

    Erwin, Essie M. & OC / McMorris, WT / QCD/95/377/1912

    Erwin, Essie M. & OC / Hampton, RL / Deed/101/352/1914

    Erwin, G. Ed / Paysuer, WT / Deed/87/514/1908

    Erwin, GE / Flack, GC / Deed/83/349/1906

    Erwin, GE / Withrow, WM / Deed/82/361/1906

    Erwin, GE / Merrell, Theodocia / Deed/86/319/1907

    Erwin, Hattie & GE / Flack, JF / Deed/102/44/1913

    Erwin, James / Bradley, Thornton / Deed/29-31/65/1816

    Erwin, James / Hamilton, Joseph / Deed/29-31/99/1816

    Erwin, James / Morris, William / Deed/32-33/61/1819

    Erwin, James / McDowell, Charles / Deed/32-33/292/1820

    Erwin, James / Alexander, Elias / Deed/37-38/502/1832

    Erwin, James / Erwin, Overton L. / Deed/45/127/1844

    Erwin, James & Mary / Walton, George / Deed/35/42/1825

    Erwin, James & Mary / Craton, Isaac / Deed/37-38/46 & 47/1829

    Erwin, James & Mary / Bradley, Coleman / Deed/37-38/529/1832

    Erwin, James & Mary / Bitting, John L. / Deed/41-42/383/1836

    Erwin, James & Mary / Walton, George / Deed/43/608/1839

    Erwin, James & Mary / Hamilton, Sarah / Deed/44/153/1841

    Erwin, James & Mary / Elmer, Roswell, Jr. / Deed/44/260/1842

    Erwin, James & Mary / Twitty, William / Deed/44/261/1842

    Erwin, James C. / Tanner, Columbus P. / Deed/67/39/1893

    Erwin, James M. / Gray, David / Deed/45/468/1846

    Erwin, James M. / Hamilton, Mary / Deed/54/255/1878

    Erwin, JC / Washburn, JR / Deed/68/170/1895

    Erwin, JJ & SA / Butler, JL / Mtg/P/117/1907

    Erwin, JJ & Sallie / Roach, MA / Deed/82/593/1907

    Erwin, JW / Hamilton, Mary / Deed/54/317/1878

    Erwin, Levira J. & JJ / Forney, Emily M. / Deed/50/73/1869

    Erwin, LP / Carrier, HD / Deed/49/290/1869

    Erwin, LP / Whiteside, JW / Deed/51/244/1873

    Erwin, LP / Carrier, GD / Deed/62/328/1889

    Erwin, LP / Wallace, ADK / Deed/62/327/1889

    Erwin, LP / Levi, M. / Mtg/H/6/1895

    Erwin, LP / Miller, HM / Deed/68/349/1895

    Erwin, LP / Henderson, MA / Deed/70/81/1896

    Erwin, LP / Bradley, TC / Deed/71/43/1897

    Erwin, LP / Citizens Bldg. & Loan Assoc. / Deed/72/301/1898

    Erwin, LP / Cowen, JC / Deed/72/300/1898

    Erwin, LP / Landie, Margaret E. / Deed/71/233/1898

    Erwin, LP / Carpenter, KJ / Deed/74/629/1900

    Erwin, LP / Citizens Bldg. & Loan Assoc. / Deed/75/250/1900

    Erwin, MA & RL / Hogan, GW / Deed/68/321/1895

    Erwin, Matilda & WW / Coxe, Tench / Deed/22-23/546/1806

    Erwin, NE & TS / / Deed/77/481/1904

    Erwin, OC / Scoggin, AA / Deed/83/331/1905

    Erwin, OC / Krause, JW / Deed/100/243/1913

    Erwin, OC / Holland, TC / Deed/105/395/1916

    Erwin, Overtin L. / Hamilton, Nancy / Deed/54/306/1878

    Erwin, RL / Hampton, SD / Mtg/F/72/1893

    Erwin, Sarah / Miller, JT / Deed/43/223/1838

    Erwin, Sarah M. / Erwin, George E. / B for T/55/524/1881

    Erwin, W. / Johns, Zackeriah / Deed/29-31/312/1817

    Erwin, Wa / Benick, Jeremiah / deed/37-38/19/1829

    Erwin, WA / Wall, Amos / Deed/37-38/325/1831

    Erwin, William / Koon, George / Deed/24-26/641/1812

    Erwin, William / Allison, John / Deed/27-28/255/1814

    Erwin, William / Thompson, Elijah / Deed/27-28/241/1814

    Erwin, William / Proctor, Reubin / Deed/29-31/162/1817

    Erwin, William / Downs, William / Deed/29-31/483/1818

    Erwin, William / Henderson, Moses / Deed/32-33/81/1819

    Erwin, William / Bridges, John / Deed/32-33/372/1821

    Erwin, William / Young, Francis / Deed/34/90/1822

    Erwin, William / Mills, John / Deed/34/309/1824

    Erwin, William / Parker, John / Deed/34/268/1824

    Erwin, William / Crowder, Allen / Deed/43/623/1839

    Erwin, William / Long, AB / Deed/50/113/1870

    Erwin, William / Erwin, Sarah M. / Deed/51/103/1873

    Erwin, William / Spratt, Jane M. / Deed/51/98/1873

    Erwin, William / Watson, CE / Deed/51/99/1873

    Erwin, William / Groves, Jasper B. / Deed/58/377/1885

    Erwin, William / Lane, Jessie / Deed/61/216/1887

    Erwin, William H. / Pruit, Spencer / Deed/32-33/604/1821

    Erwin, William W. / Downs, Robert / Deed/32-33/596/1821

    Erwin, William W. / Elliott, Martin / Deed/32-33/631/1822

    Erwin, William W. / Whiteside, William / Deed/32-33/644/1822

    Erwin, William W. / Cloud, Joseph / Deed/34/212/1823

    Erwin, William W. / Dickerson, Garland / Deed/34/194/1823

    Erwin, William W. / Miller, James / Deed/34/165/1823

    Erwin, William W. / Mills, Marvell / Deed/35/257/1826

    Erwin, William W. / Hunter, John / Deed/36/41/1827

    Erwin, William W. / Biggerstaff, Samuel / Deed/36/210/1828

    Erwin, William W. / Miller, WJ / Deed/41-42/206/1835

    Erwin, William W. & WA / Burchett, Theodrick / Deed/43/113/1837

    Erwin, WN / Coxe, Tench / Deed/R-1-3/101/0

    Erwin, WU / Hawkins, Edward / Deed/32-33/363/1821

    Erwin, WW / Coxe, Tench / Receipt/7-9/192/1798

    Erwin, WW / Doggett, Bushrad / Deed/24-26/692/1812

    Erwin, WW / Scott, Dunlap / Deed/35/250/1826

    Erwin, WW / Marlow, James / Deed/36/141/1828

    Erwin, WW / Walker, Jeremiah / Deed/37-38/298/1831

    #32917

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Harrison, Agnes / Smith, RL / Deed/65/328/1892

    Harrison, Agnes L. / Powell, Sm / Deed/69/94/1895

    Harrison, AS,EE,FM,JH,JS,JK,Mary,SF,SW / Ramsey, JM / Deed/95/359/1912

    Harrison, AS,FM,EE,JH,JK,JS,Mary,SF / Harrison, SW / Deed/95/353/1912

    Harrison, AS,FM,EE,JH,JS,NC,Mary,Sam / Harrison, JK / Deed/95/351/1912

    Harrison, Drucilla / Crews, Tilley / Mtg/H/389/1898

    Harrison, Drucilla & William / Yelton, AR / Deed/66/321/1893

    Harrison, Drusilla & William / Moore, SK / Deed/61/78/1887

    Harrison, Drusilla & William / Harrison, SW / Deed/67/137/1894

    Harrison, FM & JS / Harrison, JW / Mtg/H-3/243/1902

    Harrison, FM & JS / Lovelace, MJ / Deed/82/126/1905

    Harrison, FM & JS / Lovelace, MJ / Deed/82/127/1905

    Harrison, JA / Moore, SK / Deed/57/349/1885

    Harrison, James R. & Simon / Smith, JAmes M. / Deed/39-40/218/1834

    Harrison, JH / Harrison, JS / Deed/87/73/1907

    Harrison, JH / Calton, JM / Deed/87/477/1908

    Harrison, JK & SF / Smawly, JM / Deed/95/456/1912

    Harrison, John / Harrison, Edmond / Deed/37-38/408/1831

    Harrison, John / Harrison, James / Deed/37-38/401/1831

    Harrison, John W. / Harrison, VE / Deed/87/284/1908

    Harrison, Joseph / Scoggins, Francis / Deed/22-23/613/1806

    Harrison, JW / CS Piper & Co. / Deed/74/718/1900

    Harrison, JW & ME / Harrison, JK / Deed/64/343/1891

    Harrison, JW & ME / Harrison, SW / Deed/65/517/1892

    Harrison, JW & ME / Rollins, WNS / Release/78/490/1903

    Harrison, JW & ME / Harrison, AE / Gift D/80/541/1905

    Harrison, JW & VE / Harrison, SW / Deed/91/168/1909

    Harrison, JW & VE / Harrison, SW / Deed/91/347/1910

    Harrison, Thomas / McCrow, Samuel / Deed/25/134/1810

    Harrison, Thomas / Wright, Hollas / Deed/27-28/5/1813

    Harrison, Thomas / McCraw, Samuel / Deed/27-28/141/1814

    Griffin, Arninta & AWS / Griffin, LJ / Deed/72/313/1898

    Griffin, BF / Eaves, RS / Mtg/S/598/1912

    Griffin, BF / Painter, CO / Deed/99/327/1912

    Griffin, Caleb & John / Westbrooks, MO / Deed/75/295/1901

    Griffin, Caleb & SA / Painter, Anne W. / Deed/84/274/1906

    Griffin, Caleb & Sarah / Liles RE / Mtg/G/156/1894

    Griffin, Caleb, Margaret E., William / Manley, PJ / Deed/73/627/1901

    Griffin, Dona & WM / Covington, DD / Deed/99/597/1913

    Griffin, Edith & JL / Hicks, WW / Mtg/S/183/1910

    Griffin, Edith & JL / Moss, WS / Deed/97/482/1914

    Griffin, Edith E. & JL / Griffin, John W. / Deed/77/263/1903

    Griffin, Edith E. & JL / Hicks, WW / DT/P/358/1907

    Griffin, Edith E. & JL / Harrill, JJ / Deed/102/327/1915

    Griffin, EE & JL / Hicks, WW / DT/P/172/1907

    Griffin, EE & JL / Reid, George P. / DT/Q/17/1908

    Griffin, Eleanor & William / Pickett, Micajah / Deed/20-21/127 & 128/1803

    Griffin, Elizabeth & William L. / Suttle, John / Deed/46/115/1854

    Griffin, Florence, JW, Mary / Griffin, GW / Deed/97/406/1913

    Griffin, Frank / Manly, PJ / Deed/99/340/1912

    Griffin, Frank & Minnie / ZV Jolley & Co. / Deed/106/122/1916

    Griffin, Frank & Mrs. MM / Jolley, ZV / Deed/106/82/1916

    Griffin, G. / Carson, Joseph M. / Deed/36/107/1827

    Griffin, G. / Moore, John / Deed/36/201/1828

    Griffin, G. / Porter, Walter S. / Deed/41-42/211/1835

    Griffin, GO / Griffin, Mary A. / Deed/45/1018/1852

    Griffin, GO / Tanner, WA / Deed/47/103/1856

    Griffin, GW & JW / Roberson, TC / Deed/94/306/1910

    Griffin, GW & Mattie / Cole, Horace / Deed/80/470/1905

    Griffin, GW 7 Mattie / Callahan, Bell / Mtg/S/491/1912

    Griffin, GW, ME, JW, Mary / Griffin, Florence / Deed/97/280/1913

    Griffin, JB & JE / Martin, JS / Deed/90/416/1909

    Griffin, John / Westbrooks, MO / Mtg/H/527/1899

    Griffin, JW / Griffin, RC / Deed/78/228/1902

    Griffin, JW / Griffin, JL / Mtg/O/566/1909

    Griffin, LJ / Moore, AC / Deed/73/415/1900

    Griffin, LJ & MA / Griffin, NL / Deed/88/239/1907

    Griffin, LJ, LW, LL, Mat / McBrayer, TC / QCD/78/577/1903

    Griffin, LW / Allen, RJ / Mtg/H/422/1898

    Griffin, LW / Ross, Thomas / Mtg/H-3/71/1901

    Griffin, LW / Griffin, JW / Mtg/H-3/358/1903

    Griffin, LW / Beheler, Narcissus / Deed/96/215/1911

    Griffin, LW & ME / Coxe, Frank / Mtg/57/474/1885

    Griffin, Mat / Moore, GF / Deed/97/150/1911

    Griffin, Mat, LJ, NL / Green, Mary A. / Deed/76/310/1902

    Griffin, Matt, LJ, ML / Griffin, LW / Deed/72/308/1898

    Griffin, Mattie / Cole, John / D of L/75/439/1901

    Griffin, Minnie / Geer, James E. / deed/88/28/1907

    Griffin, Minnie & WS / Smith, Logan / Deed/77/445/1904

    Griffin, Minnie & WS / Goode, Thomas S. / Lease/84/359/1906

    Griffin, Mrs. M. & JW / Reed, George P. / DT/P/341/1907

    Griffin, Naomi & Lewis W. / Griffin, JW / Deed/88/198/1907

    Griffin, NL / Griffin, MA / Deed/99/421/1912

    Griffin, NL & Mat / Griffin, LJ / Deed/79/201/1903

    Griffin, Peter / Griffin, Richard / Deed/29-31/352/1818

    Griffin, Peter / Moore, John / Shf D/34/21/1822

    Griffin, RC / Griffin, JB / Deed/92/420/1909

    Griffin, Scott / Coxe, Frank / Mtg/57/271/1884

    Griffin, William L. / Moore, John / Deed/41-42/565/1837

    Griffin, William L. / Suttle, Joseph / Deed/100/336/1914

    Griffin, William S. / Wilkins, Thomas / P of A/ 45/1104/1853

    Griffin, WL / Liles, John / Deed/36/114/1827

    Griffin, WL / Moore, John / Deed/36/192/1828

    Griffin, Wl / Suttle, Benjamin F. / Deed/37-38/115/1830

    Griffin, Wl / Walker, Lyman / Deed/41-42/143/1834

    Griffin, WL / Griffin, AWS / Shf D/54/521/1879

    Griffin, WL / Moore, Thomas / Deed/61/17/1887

    Griffin,JL / Withrow, WM / Mtg/R-1/13/1910

    #32918

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Yes there is even the Mattamuskeet families in rutherford land records:

    Mackey, Alexander / Musick, Abraham / Deed/E-I/110/1784

    Mackey, Alexander / Williams, Joseph / Deed/E-I/413/1792

    Mackey, Alexander / Coward, James / Deed/J-L/51/1793

    Mackey, Alexander / Young, Robert / Deed/J-L/6/1793

    Mackey, David / Wharey, Thomas / Deed/M-Q/104/1795

    Mackey, Elizabeth & William / Rowland, Thomas / Deed/M-Q/442/1796

    Mackey, Shuanna / Mackey, David / Deed/M-Q/184/1796

    Justice, Moses / Squeir, John C. / Deed/63/43/1890

    Bryant, Leander / Squier, John C. / Deed/63/43/1890

    Bryant, Leander / Squier, John C. / Deed/65/510/1892

    Fisher, John / Squir, John / Deed/20-21/104/1803

    Baber, A.E.,B.A.,N.E.,J.S.,N.G.,L.A. / Miller, James A. / Mtg/H/229/1897

    Baber, A.E.,L.A.,J.S.,Mary B. / Baber, Nancy G. / Deed/69/302/1896

    Baber, A.M. / Blanton, J.H. / Deed/45/1031/1852

    Baber, A.M. / Moore, Sarah / Deed/45/995/1852

    Baber, Alpha / Baber, C.S. / D of L/65/216/1892

    Baber, B.A & George & James, Jr.& William/ / Deed/35/177/1826

    Baber, B.A. / Miller, William H. / Deed/78/509/1903

    Baber, B.A. & George & James / Hamilton, Sarah / Deed/36/52/1827

    Baber, B.A. & M. Abi / Biggerstaff, Sarah C. / Deed/64/451/1891

    Baber, B.A. & M. Abi / Biggertaff, Mary E. / Deed/64/453/1891

    Baber, B.A. & M. Abi / Finley, Robert J. / Deed/64/610/1891

    Baber, B.A. & Nancy / Miller, J. A. / Deed/78/142/1902

    Baber, B.A.,A.E.,N.G.,J.S.,L.A.,J.T. / McBrayer, Matt / Mtg/D/147/1891

    Baber, B.C,N.L.,J.G., O.R.,S.M. / Deck, A.W. / Deed/93/427/1910

    Baber, B.W. / M.E. Church South / Deed/48/77/1859

    Baber, B.W. / Coxe, Frank / Mtg/57/487/1885

    Baber, B.W. / Biggerstaff, John W. / Deed/85/508/1907

    Baber, B.W. & Catharine & L.A. / McDaniel, J.W. / Deed/54/96/1877

    Baber, B.W. & Frances / McFarland, James V. / Deed/69/477/1896

    Baber, B.W. & Francis M. / School District # 57 / Deed/61/186/1887

    Baber, B.W. & Frankie / Tucker, W.M./ Deed/66/461/1893

    Baber, C. S. / Baber, S.M. / Qcd/65/153/1892

    Baber, C.A. & J.M. / Long, J.A. / Mtg/D/314/1891

    Baber, C.A. & J.M. / Deck, A.W. / Deed/70/356/1897

    Baber, C.R. & Georgie / Wesson, J.B. / Mtg/H/153/1896

    Baber, C.S. / Wells, John L. / Deed/62/537/1890

    Baber, C.S. / School District # / Deed/65/220/1892

    Baber, C.S. / Pool, O.H. / Deed/72/50/1898

    Baber, C.S. / Allen, W.P. / Deed/77/88/1902

    Baber, C.S. / Rutherford Co. Board of Edu. / Deed/86/75/1906

    Baber, C.S. / Hardin, P.A. / Deed/88/196/1907

    Baber, C.S. / Holston Corp. / Deed/86/575/1907

    Baber, C.S. / South & Western RR Co. / R of W/85/496&501/1907

    Baber, C.S. / Carolina-Clinchfield & Ohio RR / R of W/88/322/1908

    Baber, C.S. & S.M. / Wells, John T. / Deed/64/431/1892

    Baber, C.S. & S.M. / Wells, S.C. / B for T/65/215/1892

    Baber, C.S. & S.M. / Wells, S.C. / Deed/65/150/1892

    Baber, C.S. & S.M. / Harden, E.S. / Deed/85/504/1907

    Baber, Catharine B. & James / Baber, B.W. / Deed/50/507/1872

    Baber, Celia & J.M. / Long, J.A. / Mtg/F/152/1893

    Baber, Charles / Baber, Sarah / Deed/34/23/1822

    Baber, Eliza / Keeter, C.F. / Deed/97/273/1912

    Baber, Eliza / Tate,W.C. / Deed/96/405/1912

    Baber, G.W. / Lowrance, Jacob L. / Deed/44/227/1841

    Baber, G.W. / Blanton, J.H. / Deed/45/1031/1852

    Baber, Geo. & Chestley / Baber, B.A. / Deed/47/258/1857

    Baber, George T. & William G./ / P of Atty/47/252/1857

    Baber, J.T. / Moore, John T./ / 64/536/1891

    Baber, J.T. & T.L. / Doggett, C. A. / Deed/81/490/1905

    Baber, James / Allen, Joseph / Deed/25/162/1810

    Baber, James / Eaves, Burrell / Deed/29-31/217/1817

    Baber, James / Green, William, Sr. / Deed/29-31/247/1817

    Baber, James / McAfee, Robert / Deed/29-31/174/1817

    Baber, James / Hamilton, Joseeh / Deed/32-33/280/1820

    Baber, James / Hamilton, Joseph / Deed/32-33/246/1820

    Baber, James / Morrow, Alfred / Deed/32-33/652/1822

    Baber, James / Baber, Robert, Sr. / Deed/34/204/1823

    Baber, James / Baber, George / Deed/34/344/1825

    Baber, James / Eaves, Andrew / Deed/35/87/1825

    Baber, James / Arthur, William / Deed/35/178/1826

    Baber, James, Jr. / McEntire, John / Shf D/43/159/1837

    Baber, James, Sr. / Baber, William / Deed/34/23/1822

    Baber, Jane & W.P. / Matheny, P. / Deed/87/565/1908

    Baber, John / Baber, James / Deed/4-6/118/1797

    Baber, John / Baber, James / Deed/7-9/417/1798

    Baber, John / Heslep, Thomas / Deed/20-21/187/1803

    Baber, John / Polk, Daniel / Deed/22-23/675/1807

    Baber, John / Davis, Benjamin / Deed/29-31/479/1818

    Baber, John / DePriest, James / Deed/39-40/432/1834

    Baber, John / Martin, William / Deed/41-42/636/1835

    Baber, John / Carpenter, Jacob D. / Deed/45/132/1844

    Baber, John / Baxter, Thomas / Shf D/45/471/1847

    Baber, John / Scruggs, David / Shf D/48/472/1864

    Baber, John / Davis Toliver / Deed/48/509/1865

    Baber, M.E. & T.L. / Toms, T.F. / Deed/58/145/1885

    Baber, M.E. & T.L. / King, B.C. / Mtg/60/533/1886

    Baber, M.E. & Thomas L. / Toms, T.F. / Deed/60/373/1886

    Baber, M.E. & Thomas L. / Moore, F. / Mtg/C/361/1890

    Baber, M.E. & Thomas L. / Harrill, John B. / Deed/73/582/1901

    Baber, M.J. & W.P. / Roberson, C.M. / Deed/77/355/1903

    Baber, Maggie & Thomas L. / Toms, T.F. / Deed/60/512/1886

    Baber, Maggie & Thomas L. / McArthur, W.S. / Mtg/C/265/1890

    Baber, Mary J. / Norville, O.R. / Deed/97/435/1913

    Baber, Mollie & S. Marvin / Carson, James M. / DT/U/19/1912

    Baber, N.G. / Baber, William G. / Deed/55/212/1880

    Baber, N.L. & W.O. / School District # 59 / Deed/64/201/1891

    Baber, N.L. & W.O. / Harden, E.S. / Deed/68/542/1895

    Baber, N.L. & W.O. / Baber, J.G. / Deed/75/24/1900

    Baber, Nancy & Millie J. / Baber, Chestley D. / P of Atty/47/250/1857

    Baber, Nancy L./ Freeman, Lucy / QCD/89/10/1907

    Baber, Nancy L. / Freeman, S. F. / Deed/74/85/1899

    Baber, Nancy L. / Freeman, D.D. / Deed/75/240/1900

    Baber, Nancy L. / Deck, Louisia N. / Deed/92/333/1909

    Baber, Nancy L. / Hunt, H.L. / Deed/96/37/1911

    Baber, Robert / McBrayer, Davis / Deed/34/133/1823

    Baber, S.M. / Baber, C.S. / QCD/65/146/1892

    Baber, S.M. / Wells, S.C. / Deed/80/565/1905

    Baber, Sarah / Harton, Harbert / Deed/36/130/1827

    Baber, Susan / / Contract/105/147/1916

    Baber, Susan M. / Wells, John M. / Deed/103/230/1916

    Baber, W. G. / Shiver, A.F. / Deed/61/99/1887

    Baber, W.O. / Freeman, Mrs. M.A. / Deed/74/716/1900

    Baber, Wiliam / Carson, James W. / Shf D/34/198/1823

    Baber, William / Carson, James W. / Shf D/34/176/1823

    Baber,John / Morrow, George / / 24-26/441/1811

    #32919

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    1820 Hyde couty, NC Census

    Collens, Suzanah (listed as widow over 45 years old)

    Gibbs, Benj’n.

    Gibbs, Jesse

    Mackey, Easter

    Chance, Jerimiah

    Gibbs, Stephen

    Gibbs, Debitha

    Barber, Jinny

    Hill, Wm.

    all Neighbors

    also living on up from them was:

    Barber, Elizabeth

    Midgett, Sam

    etc etc

    All above Barbers, Collins, Chance, Mackey…..all listed as free persons of color.

    Not that much further away was

    Collens, Abijah

    Collens, Charity

    Gibbs, Rutha

    Gibbs, Washington

    All them Collins was Free person of color also.

    The mattamuskeet documents of Hyde county, NC:

    Little has survived in the records concerning the Mattamuskeets from 1761 to 1792. Rev. Alexander Stewart visited the Mattamuskeets in 1761 and 1763, and left brief accounts of his visits. Stewart reported after his 1761 visit that the Mattamuskeets were residing with a few Roanoke and Hatteras Indians who had moved to their area. He notes the baptismal of two men, three women, and two children during that visit. Stewart established a school at Mattamuskeet when he returned in 1763. He baptized six adults and fifteen children at that time. Stewart remarked that the Indians at Mattamuskeet had mixed with whites, but did not indicate whether this mixture was residential or racial (Johnson 1972, 213).

    The Mattamuskeets were, as indicated previously, joined by Indians from Roanoke and Hatteras Island by 1761. The names of these individuals were not identified on any of the extant deeds. This could mean the Indians from those areas moved to the Mattamuskeet area at a period later than that covered by the available records. Individuals with Mattamuskeet surnames do not occur in the Hyde County Records from 1761 to 1792. In fact, there is reference to only a single Indian during that time. This reference appeared in the Hyde County Court Minutes of 1765. It called for William Gibbs to show cause why an Indian woman named Cati Collins should not be set free. It is not clear from the reference whether William Gibbs was holding Cati Collins as an apprentice or a slave. The outcome of the show cause order could not be determined due to a break in the County Court Minutes from 1765 to 1767 (see appendix 35). Cati Collins may have been a member of one of the groups that moved to the area from Roanoke and Hatteras Islands.

    This document is particularly significant since the Collins family’s later history closely paralleled that of the individuals with Mattamuskeet surnames. Also, the Collins descendants now residing in Hyde County are thought to be of at least partially Indian descent.

    #32920

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Benjamin and Mary Jane Mackey had two sons and three daughters aged one to seven years by 1860 (Federal Census, 1″0’60), but the 1870 census listed only two daughters remaining in the household (Federal Census, 1870). Napoleon Mackey’s grandmother was Clarissa Mackey and his grandfather was Washington Hearse. Nothing could be determined from the Hyde County Records concerning Washington Hearse. Napoleon Mackey’s parents were Benjamin J. Mackey and Laura Lu Mackey. Laura Lu Mackey was the daughter of Henry Barber and Hettie Mackey (Hyde County Marriage Records). Napoleon Mackey married Geneva Burrus in 1921. His wife apparently has no claim to Indian ancestry. Napoleon Mackey, when interviewed in 1975, asserted his knowledge of his Indian ancestry, and named several other Hyde County families which he believed could also claim at least partial Indian descent. Prominant among those were the Collins, Barber, Chance, Clayton and Bryant families (Napoleon Mackey 1975).

    Settlement pressure by whites was the greatest problem that the Indians at Mattamuskeet faced after the Tuscarora War. King Squires and King Mackey of Mattamuskeet requested that their lands be surveyed and conveyed as a formal grant to the group in 1724. The Colonial Council concurred with this request, and ordered the surveyor general to survey a four mile square area for the reservation (Johnson 1972, 212). The land grant was not formally approved by the Council until 1 April 1727, and it is apparent from the wording of the grant that the reservation had not been surveyed as ordered by the Council (see appendices 3 and 4).

    #32921

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    27 Sept 1728

    Sir:

    The 27th of September John Carter brought Negro Cofey to my house, as he says, by your orders, for me to examine concerning what the Saponys have told him about the white people, which I have done, and he tells me:

    that Great George told him that John Sauano and a fellow called Ben Harrison was gone to the Cotobers to fetch one hundred of them to come and see why their Indians was put in prison,

    and if Capt. Tom was hanged they would carry their wives and children over the Roanoke River and then they would drive the white people and negros as far as James River,

    and he says that Tony Mack told him that if Pyah was hanged he and the Cotobers would come and take revenge of the English,

    and he says that Sapony Tom told him if his son Harry Erwin was hanged they would kill you and three or four more Gentlemen and then go off,

    and he says that Dick told him that we had no business to come to the fort armed to concern ourselves about their killing one another, but we were like a sow that had lost her pigs would rally for a little time and then have done *, but when they began a war with the English they never would have done *.

    This from your humble servant to command,

    Thomas Avent

    The original document is held by the Virginia Historical Society, Richmond, VA and will give you a copy of the original.

    http://aventfamily.org/taveltr.htm

    Tony Mack is Tony Mackey.

    #32922

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    In 1730, “William Bohannon came into court and made oath that about twenty-six of the Sapony Indians that inhabit Colonel Spotswood’s land in Fox’s neck go about and do a great deal of mischief by firing the woods; more especially on the 17th day of April last whereby several farrows of pigs were burnt in their beds, and that he verily believes that one of the Indians shot at him the same day, the bullet entering a tree within four feet of him; that he saw the Indian about one hundred yards from him, and no game of any sort between them; that the Indian after firing his gun stood in a stooping manner very studdy [steady] so that he could hardly discern him from a stump, that he has lost more of his pigs than usual since the coming of the said Indians; which is ordered to be certified to the General Assembly. ” Orange county VA

    1742 “”Alexander Machartoon, John Bowling, Manicassa, Capt. Tom, Isaac, Harry,

    Blind Tom, Foolish Jack, Charles Griffin, John Collins, Little Jack. Indians

    being brought before the court by precept under the hands and seals of Wm

    Russell & Edward Spencer, Gent. for terrifying one Lawrence Strother and on

    suspicion of stealing hoggs……..”

    ” The above put up security individually. It was ordered that their guns be

    taken from them till they are ready to depart out of this county, “they

    having declared their intentions to the Court to depart this colony within a

    week” (Orange Co..VA Order Book 3 1741-1743. 309) Orange Co Va Microfilm Reel

    31, Va

    http://www.jgoins.com/old_thomas_collins.htm

    Orange County [Virginia] Register of Deeds

    1741-1743 Order Book 3:308-309. Orange, Virginia.

    1742. Sundry Indians, among them Manincassa, Captain Tom, Blind Tom, Foolish Zack, and Little Zack, were before Court for “terrifying” one Lawrence Strother, who testified that one of them shot at him, that they tried to surround him, that he turned his horse and rid off, but they gained on him till he crossed the run. Ordered, that the Indians be taken into custody by the sheriff until they give peace bonds with security, and that their guns be taken from them until they are ready to depart out of this Colony, they having declared their intention to depart within a week. They gave bond.

    VMHB III:190

    #32923

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    I should also mention that in 1790 rutherford…there was Bollings living there also.

    1790 B450 BOLIN Layney M-637 007 119 01 00 01 00 00

    Anyway…..let’s go back to where Susanna Collins’ son went to church….the Zion Church.

    from the

    SELECTED HISTORY OF THE UPCOUNTRY OF SOUTH CAROLINA :

    Originally much of the area of present northwestern South Carolina, was known as Cherokee land. In fact, the lower Cherokee nation was centered in this territory. The capital village of the lower Cherokee nation was known as Keowee (from which we get the name Keowee River — and now Keowee Lake). When Lake Keowee was built in the nineteen sixties, the area where this village was located was flooded. The Keowee River is the boundary between present Pickens and Oconee counties of the Upstate. Present Greenville County was definitely part of the lower Cherokee nation. The area of present Spartanburg County, belonged to the Cherokees as well but served mostly as a buffer between the Catabaw Indians and the Cherokees.

    William Foster, or Major “Billie”, as he was called, moved to the Upcountry in 1791 from Amelia county, Virginia, and settled a mile or so east of Mt. Zion Baptist Church, which was near Fort Prince in the Spartanburg District.

    (Note: we will stop right there for a minute…..did the Saponi and Catawba visit each other….yes thereis stacks of documents to back that up).

    In August of 1766, Charles Woodmason became an itinerant minister for the Anglican Church (Church of England) to the Carolina Backcountry. He kept a journal of some of the years of his ministry. He was originally from the London area of England; came to South Carolina and was a planter and merchant; and then returned to England to be ordained prior to returning to the Colony to begin his ministry. In his journal, he described the living conditions of the people living in the Upcountry as follows: “In all these excursions, I am obliged to carry my own Necessaries with me – as Bisket – Cheese – a Pint of Rum – Some Sugar – Chocolate – Tea, or Coffee – With Cups Knife Spoon Plate Towels and Linen. So that I go always heavy loaded like a trooper. If I did not, I should starve. Never will I be out again from home for a month together to take the Chance of things — As in many places have nought but a Gourd to drink out of; Not a plate knive or Spoon, a Glass, Cup, or any thing — It is well if they can get some body linen, and some have not even that. They are so burthen’d with Young Children, that the Women cannot attend both House and Field — And many live by hunting, and killing Deer — There’s not a Cabin but has 10 or 12 Young Children in it — When the boys are 18 and girls 14 they marry — so that in many cabins you will see 10 or 15 Children. Children and Grand Children of one Size….blah blah blah

    #32924

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    The men with only a thin shirt and pair of Breeches or Trousers on — barelegged and barefooted — The Women bareheaded, barelegged and barefoot with only a thin Shift and under Petticoat — Yet I cannot break them of this — for the heat of the Weather admits not any but thin Cloathing — I can hardly bear the weight of Whig and Gown, during service. The Young Women have a most uncommon Practise, which I cannot break them off. They draw their Shift as tight as possible to the Body, and pin it close, to shew the fineness of their Breasts, and slender waists (for they are generally fine shaped) and draw their Petticoat close to their Hips to shew the firmness of their limbs — so that they might as well be in Puri Naturalibus — Indeed Nakedness is not censurable or indecent here, and they expose themselves often quite naked, without Ceremony — Rubbing themselves and their Hair with Bears Oil and tying it up behind in a bunch like Indians — being hardly one degree removed from them.”

    Charles Woodmason

    1766

    Mt.Zion church of Spartanburg, SC

    #32925

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    How far down the rabbit hole you want to go Don……or how far are you willing to go lol It’s not called rewriting history when a person quotes from historical records found at any national archives building.

    1699 Bear river tribe articles of agreement.

    Signed on be half of the tribe by.

    George Fisher, Captain Gibbs, and Lewis Vandermullen.

    http://www.coastalcarolinaindians.com/research/Bay_River_Indians.htm

    Bear River tribe was later incorped into the Hyde county, NC Machapunga tribe and thus given the name Mattamuskeet.

    Handbook of American Indians, 1906

    Hatteras. An Algonquian tribe living in 1701 on the sand banks of Cape Hatteras, N. C. east of Pamlico sound, and frequenting Roanoke Island. Their single village, Sandbanks, had them only about 80 inhabitants. They showed traces of white blood and claimed that some of their ancestors were white. They may have been identical with the Croatan Indians with whom Raleigh’s colonists at Roanoke Island are supposed to have taken refuge.

    #32926

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Did the Saponi also speak algonkian….yes…..after their return from North Carolina they was speaking both Siouan and Algonkian.

    The word list of the Saponi reservation after the Saponi returned to Virginia from Bertie county, nc’s area as they was recorded by fountain.

    breeches, lonoughte Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    brother, ohenopse Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    coat, opockhe Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    come here, kihoe Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    come to bed, conopanan Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    eight, massons Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    eighteen, [os massons] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    eleven, os nacout Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    fifteen, [os prance] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    five, prance Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    four, jow Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    fourteen, [os jow] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    gun, mikta Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    hat, apato bokso Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    how d’ye do?, jog de log Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    I am going to be sured(?), joquahingnomotsonan Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    I thank you sir, ketemaghketersinaw Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    is this the way to the horse head, hodke tock ire chunkete posse Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    my dear wife, mihu mima mikito Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    my service to you queen, kenepaskiniwiky Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    nine, ketaugh Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    nineteen, [os ketaugh] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    no, metaugh Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    one, nacout Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    otter, mosnukhe Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    powder, mahinkt Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    powder horn, tabike Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    presently, inking Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    seven, tappons Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    seventeen, [os tappons] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    shirt, opockhe hassa Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    shoes, agohele Saponi (Fontaine 1716), makasoons Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    shot, mankey Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    shot bag, miktoke Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    six, quiock Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    sixteen, [os quiock] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    snake, moka Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    stay, monotisnock Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    stockings, honis Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    sun, the , my Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    sword, impough Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    ten, metough Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    thirteen, [os nos] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    three, nos Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    twelve, [os tock] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    twenty, takabosque Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    two, tock Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    water, money Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    what you please, ikiron Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    wig, machneto dufas Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    will you kiss me?, ke ly pomerin Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    yes, keneha Saponi (Fontaine 1716).

    you are very welcome, mecouremechin Saponi (Fontaine 1716)

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