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    Ga-Nc Collins
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    The first english who reached Hatteras island….stated the hatteras tribe had the spainish/Portuguesse ship flag in their village and some of the children was already mixed…..these english stated they had saw pieces of a shipwrecked ship which had been partially burned.

    Amature historian and owner of a history museum on hatteras island Scott Dawson states this many time in his research papers and in his book about the Hatteras tribe….Scott Dawson and his family have been listed in local newspapers and been on the news for their research and findings on Hatteras island.

    It is also well known that on every english trip to Hatteras island from 1584-1587 there was a Portuguesse man with them.

    His name was “Simon Ferdinando”.

    Also we know that Collins in spainish is Calens…..and in portugesse collins is Cabelo.

    In English collins means Hair….this is why the Spainish gave William Collins the name of Calens….William collins stated his last name means “Hair” in english.

    It is mentioned here:

    http://www.jstor.org/pss/2507663

    “William collins, He was known in Mexico as “Guillermo Calens,” and also by the name of “Mi- guel Cabello,” because he said Calens (Collins) meant cabello (hair) in English.”

    Cabello and Cabelo is both common last names in Portugal.

    We also know is it proven that Gibson is a spelling variation of Gibbs and Gibbes.

    http://genealogy.about.com/library/surnames/g/bl_name-GIBSON.htm

    http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Gibson

    http://www.surnamedb.com/surname.aspx?name=Gibbs

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070504015741AAWECxy

    http://wiki.name.com/en/Gibbs

    and I could go on and on with showing that I did not make the gibbs/Gibson part up lol.

    #32928

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Now I’m quoting from you here:

    “Ypu don’t know or have the slightest idea how to tell the truth.”

    So let’s see what the meaning of the word “Truth” is.

    1 aarchaic : fidelity , constancy b: sincerity in action, character, and utterance2 a (1): the state of being the case : fact (2): the body of real things, events, and facts : actuality (3)often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality b: a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true <truths of thermodynamics> c: the body of true statements and propositions3 a: the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality bchiefly British : true 2 c: fidelity to an original or to a standard4capitalized Christian Science : god

    — in truth : in accordance with fact : actually

    Synonyms: truth, veracity, verity, verisimilitude

    These nouns refer to the quality of being in accord with fact or reality. Truth is a comprehensive term that in all of its nuances implies accuracy and honesty: “We seek the truth, and will endure the consequences” Charles Seymour.

    Veracity is adherence to the truth: “Veracity is the heart of morality” Thomas H. Huxley.

    Verity often applies to an enduring or repeatedly demonstrated truth: “beliefs that were accepted as eternal verities” James Harvey Robinson.

    Verisimilitude is the quality of having the appearance of truth or reality: “merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative” W.S. Gilbert.

    truth Noun

    1. the quality of being true, genuine, or factual: there is no truth in the allegations

    2. something that is true: he finally learned the truth about his parents’ marriage

    3. a proven or verified fact, principle, etc.: some profound truths about biology have come to light [Old English trīewth]

    Noun 1. Truth- a fact that has been verified; “at last he knew the truth”; “the truth is that he didn’t want to do it” fact – a piece of information about circumstances that exist or events that have occurred; “first you must collect all the facts of the case”

    home truth – an important truth that is unpleasant to acknowledge (as about yourself)

    verity – an enduring or necessary ethical or religious or aesthetic truth.

    etc etc etc

    hc_dict()

    #32929

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Now just some other quotes:

    Knoxville Register in September of 1848

    These intermixed with the Indians, and subsequently their descendants (after the advances of the whites into this part of the state) with the negros and the whites, thus forming the present race of Melungens.

    We arrived at Vardy’s in time for supper,

    ‘Well, if I am, I ain’t n*****-Melungen, anyhow–I’m Indian-Melungen, and that’s more ‘an you is.’

    Brownlow’s Whig

    Jonesboro, Tennessee<O:p</O:p

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    Oct., 7, 1840

    to get an impudent Malungeon from Washington Cty, a scoundrel who is half Negro and half Indian,

    The Republic: a monthly magazine, devotedd to the dissemination of political information – 1873

    The principal localities visited were Newman’s Ridge and Blackwater Valley, lying just south of Powell’s mountain and 14 miles north of Rogersville, Tenessee. the inhabitants there, known by the local name of “Malunjins” are a mixture of whites, blacks and Indians, were “bushwhackers” for plunder during the war, and are now engaged in illicit distilling and other lawless pursuits.

    Goodspeed’s History of Tennessee-1886

    . It has since been occupied mainly by a people presenting a peculiar admixture of white and Indian blood.

    Swan M. Burnett, M. D., Washington

    October 1889

    and they did not themselves claim to belong to any tribe of Indians in that part of the country (Meaning Tennesse)

    The current belief was that they were a mixture of white, Indian, and Negro.

    They are dark, but of a different hue to the ordinary mulatto, with either straight or wavy hair, and some have cheek bones almost as high as the Indians.

    [FONT=Comic Sans MS]Since the above communications was read before the Society I have received from several sources valuable information in regard to the Melungeons; but the most important contribution bearing on the subject, as I believe, is the little pamphlet published by Hamilton Mc Millan, A. M., on “Sir Walter Raleigh’s Lost Colony” (Wilson, N.C., 1888). Mc Millan claims that the Croatan Indians are the direct descendant of this colony. What connection I consider to exist between the Melungeons and the Croatan Indians, as well as other material I have accumulated in regard to the Melungeons, will be made the subject of another communication which is now in preparation.

    * *Read before the Society at its regular meeting, February 5, 1889

    [FONT=Comic Sans MS]The Nashville Daily American

    Written for the Sunday American

    By Will Allen Dromgoole

    August 31, 1890

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    [FONT=Comic Sans MS]The Malungeons are a most peculiar people. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS]young copper-colored woman with black eyes and straight Indian locks.[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS]The Cherokee is easily enough accounted for, as they claim to have come from North Carolina, and to be a remnant of the tribe that refused to go when the Indians were ordered to the reservation. They are certainly very Indian-like in appearance. The men are tall, straight, clean-shaven, with small, sharp eyes, hooked noses, and high cheek bones. They wear their hair long [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS]( a great many of them) and evidently enjoy their resemblance to the red man. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS](Note…..the Saponi was forced off their reservation and sent to the Cayuga reservation…..several of the Saponi had refused to go to the Cayuga reservation, Also there was the Tuscarora reservation in Bertie county, NC and several Tuscarora was sent to a reservation further up north as well).[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS]found a dozen pairs of little black Indian eyes turned upon me.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

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    #32930

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Before I get to far ahead….I’m going to post a map of the Virginia tribes.

    Check out where the cherokee territoy was in Virginia…just the very very small South West tip of virginia…….

    #32931

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Another quote from the last article I mentioned

    the other was a Portuguese named Denham, who is supposed to have been put ashore o the coast of North Carolina from a pirate vessel for being troublesome to his captain, or insubordinate.

    The Melungeans or Malungeans, in Hawkins county, claim to be Cherokees of mixed blood {white, Indian, and negro], their white blood being derived, as they assert, from English and Portuguese stock. They trace their descent primarily to 2 Indians [Cherokees] known, one of them as COLLINS, the other as GIBSON,

    There is another story ,however, about Denham. It is said that the first Denham came as did the first Collins from North Carolina, and that he (or his ancestors) had been left upon the Carolina coast by some Portugese pirate vessel plying along the shore.

    After the reports of various committees had been read, and other business transacted, Judge Lea addressed the society on the subject of the Melungeons. He outlined the early history of the settlement of North Carolina. A party under the protection of a friendly Indian chief had gone into the interior when the first settlers came to that coast and had been lost. No other settlers came till a century afterward, and they were told of a tribe who claimed a white ancestry, and among whom gray eyes were frequent. This people were traced to Buncomb and Robeson counties, where the same family and personal names were found as in the lost colonies.

    [FONT=Comic Sans MS]I believe that they are descendants of the Aztecs and of Portuguese sailors who landed upon the North Carolina coast. Atlanta Constitution

    June 25, 1903

    Now for the facts which the historians have generally so singularly overlooked. In 1710 when the Huguenots and Cavaliers started to penetrate the interior of North Carolina, they found some seventy-vive miles from the coast in what is now Robeson, N.C., a colony of English speaking people, many of whom had blue eyes and light hair. They inquired where they came from and they replied. “From Croatan’ How does it come that your speak English!’ ‘Our fathers were English’

    [FONT=Comic Sans MS]Mr. James Mooney, who has just returned from Indian Territory, where he has

    been making a study of the Kiowa tribe for the Bureau of Ethnology, has also

    during his career as an anthropologist done considerable work in the way of

    investigating the Portuguese settlements along the Atlantic coast of the

    United States, a subject about which less is known than most any other phase

    of the modern ethnology of America. All along the southern coast there are

    scattered here and there bands of curious people, whose appearance, color,

    and hair seem to indicate a cross or mixture of the Indian, the white, and

    the negro. Such, for example, are the Pamunkeys of Virginia, the Croatan

    Indians of the Carolinas, the Malungeons of Tennessee, and numerous other

    peoples

    [FONT=Comic Sans MS]Wherever these people are found there also will the traveler or investigator

    passing through their region encounter the tradition of Portuguese blood or

    descent, and many have often wondered how these people came to have such a

    tradition or, in view of their ignorance, how they came to even know of the

    name of Portugal or the Portuguese. The explanation is, however, far

    simpler than one might imagine. In the first place, the Portuguese have

    always been a seagoing people, and according to Mr. Mooney, who has looked

    up the subject, the early records of Virginia and the Carolinas contain

    notices of Portuguese ships having gone to wreck on the coasts of these

    States and of the crews settling down and marrying in with Indians and

    mulattoes.

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    #32932

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Across the line in South Carolina are found a people, evidently of similar origin, designated “Red bones.” In portions of w. N. C. and E. Temn. are found the so-called “Melungeons” (probably from French melangi’, ‘mixed’) or “Portuguese,” apparently an offshoot from the Croatan proper, and in Delaware are found the “Moors.” All of these are local designations for peoples of mixed race with an Indian nucleus differing in no way from the present mixed-blood remnants known as Pamunkey, Chicka- hominy, and Nansemond Indians in Virginia, excepting in the more complete loss of their identity. In general, the physical features and complexion of the persons of this mixed stock incline more to the Indian than to the white or negro. See Mi-tis, Mixed bloods

    Also Published:

    Handbook of American Indians North of Mexico –

    by Frederick Webb Hodge – Indians of North America – 1911Date: June 23, 1907

    Paper: Dallas Morning News

    Peculiar Peoples In America

    By Frederic J. Haskins

    They resemble in feature the Cherokee Indians, and yet have a strong, Caucasian cast of countenance that makes their claim to Portuguese descent seem probable.

    They came, so a legend runs, of a bard of Portuguese pirates, who long yeas ago were wrecked on an unknown coast, became adopted into an Indian tribe and were part of the Cherokees who two or three centuries later refused to go West.

    In the ‘Tractado das Ilhas Novas” written by Frandisco de Sousa in 1570, and published in San Miguel, Azores, only about forty years ago, there is an acount of a Portuguese colony which is said to have existed on the eastern coast of British North America over 100 years before Jamestown was settled.

    [FONT=Comic Sans MS]In Robeson County, North Carolina, lives the remnant of the once powerful Croatan Indian tribe which welcomed Amadas and Barlowe when they came to roanoke Island of whom Hakluyt wrote in his “Voyages.” The explorers claim to have found several auburn-haired children among them, the Indians explaining that they were descendants of some shipwrecked white men picked up on the coast of Secotan twenty six years before.

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    #32933

    DCollins
    Participant

    A few quotes I received from one of your “Guru’s” via email this morning:

    “This guy is a real jerk don’t he know everybody has that record but to tie your family to this group step by step from home is impossible, there is no records to do this.”

    “He knows where everything is, and should know, because he has copied it.”

    DC

    #32934

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    July 31, 1923

    DISTINCT RACE OF PEOPLE INHABITS<O:p</O:p

    THE MOUNTAINS OF EAST TENNESSEE<O:p</O:p

    It is not a violent conjecture to suppose that many of these Mountain Negroes may have been put ashore on the coast of North Carolina by the Portugese pirates who are known to have frequented those waters, and that their natural instincts would lead them to the mountains…At any rate, these people were first noticed in the mountains of Tennessee and North Carolina and they called themselves Malungeons and claimed to be Portugese.

    That these Portuguese could have reached the Hancock ridges is obviously quite possible, especially if their marooning or mutiny should have taken place on the North Carolina coast.

    [FONT=Comic Sans MS]Nashville Tennessean Sunday Magazine

    September 22 1963

    By Louise Davis

    [FONT=Comic Sans MS]Who are the Melungeons—the mystery race” tucked away between giant ridges of East Tennessee mountains long before the first white explorer arrived? What exotic tale of shipwreck or mutiny lies in the dark eyes of the red-brown people already in Hancock County before Daniel Boone cut a trail? What story of explorers’ strayed from DeSoto’s party 400 years ago or of Portuguese sailors stranded on the North Carolina coast stares out in their steady gaze?

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    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS]Those who discus the matter simply say they are Porter-ghee. According to them, Portuguese sailors sometime before the American Revolution mutinied, and their ship was beached off the coast of North Carolina. The sailors came ashore only to encounter hostile Indians, and when they had killed the Indian men, the claimed the Indian women as their own. One version of this story is that some of these Portuguese sailors were descended from ancient Phoenicians who had moved from Carthage to Morocco, whence they crossed the Strait of Gibraltar to settle in North Portugal. A colony of these Moors is said to have crossed the Atlantic and settled in North Carolina the Encyclopedia Americana states. Chinese sailors were known to have made their way to Portugal and intermarried with the Portuguese, and that slightly Oriental strain is one of the clues to the occasional slant eyes and silky skin of some of the Melungeons.

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    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS]News-Sentinel Staff Writer

    Sneedville, Tenn

    By Willard Yarbrough,

    April 26, 1972

    [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS][FONT=Comic Sans MS]All agree that these olive-skinned people – comprised of beautiful women, fine-featured and erect males, and lovely children – migrated here from the East Coast, whether their beginning was from shipwreck following mutiny, survivors of the Lost Colony of Roanoke, remnants of Hernando DeSoto’s expedition in East Tennessee, or the very last of the Lost Tribes of Israel. They agree, too, that most came via North and South Carolina, in advance of the white man, many settling here with land grants following the Revolutionary War and given out by Tennessee, Virginia and North Carolina.

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    #32935

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    DCollins wrote: A few quotes I received from one of your “Guru’s” via email this morning:

    “This guy is a real jerk don’t he know everybody has that record but to tie your family to this group step by step from home is impossible, there is no records to do this.”

    “He knows where everything is, and should know, because he has copied it.”

    DC

    lol, good to see you posted something that makes no sense lol

    #32936

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Cherokee Communities of the South, unpublished (1978)

    http://works.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1023&context=robert_thomas

    Robert Knox Thomas.

    He states the Collins to be Saponi.

    He also talks about the Gibson and other families.

    He is one of the most respected Cherokee researchers ever.

    Now let’s check out some of the other collins….as stated by Robert Knox Collins before…some of the Newman’s ridge Collins had joined the Lumbee instead of migrating to newman’s ridge.

    http://www.samson-power.com/ASL/collins.html

    Chief Harold “Iron Bear” Collins is a full-blooded Lumbee Native American from North Carolina. He is a Chief of the Lumbee-Cheraw. He grew up with five sisters, one brother, and two half-sisters

    Oh yea they also have the Goins family

    http://linux.library.appstate.edu/lumbee/Miscellaneous/lumbeehomecoming/heritagewalk/jimmygoins.htm

    Jimmy Goins, Lumbee Tribal Chairman, addresses the gathering.

    #32939

    DCollins
    Participant

    “The two links is to the Manahoac Saponi Mattamuskeet nation’s official website (native American tribes do not have a lot of money to afford fancy websites so the most common website used by Native American tribes are Geocities…..they should not be punished for not having enough money to afford the fancy websites. The other link is to Steven Pony Hill who is considered the top researcher for the South Carolina community and a guy who works closely with Joseph “Nanmankoi” Newman.”

    The two links is to the Manahoac Saponi Mattamuskeet nation’s official website (native American tribes do not have a lot of money to afford fancy websites so the most common website used by Native American tribes are Geocities…..they should not be punished for not having enough money to afford the fancy websites. The other link is to Steven Pony Hill who is considered the top researcher for the South Carolina community and a guy who works closely with Joseph “Nanmankoi” Newman.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_“Nanmankoi”_Newman

    I didn’t know that Native Americans were too poor to afford “fancy websites.” I have seen several websites from “Real” Indian tribes and have not seen that “All” Native Americans use geocities for their webs or have I seen them punished for not having enough money. Maybe Mr. Hill should be invited over here, Jack Goins , also.

    DC

    #32940

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Your more than welcome to join me, jack goins, steven pony hill, and many other researchers over on the R and S research group lol….

    Also….I have no idea why you are posting stuff from something someone put on wikipedia lol

    Also your link does not even work lol…..someone else showed it to me a few weeks ago though…..I know there was something on there about how Wikipedia does not allow any links to sites which have Geocities in the name…along many other website addresses.

    Now for website prices…that is something I know about, when I was working for in-view systems…we would charge 99 dollars just for one page with about 3 images. maybe charge about 150 if the person wanted two pages (and I litterally mean just 2 pages…not sites). There was also a monthly up keep fee….for original artwork that was about 100 bucks per original logo, design, or other type of artwork. If flash was to be added then you would get up into the 1,000’s. Then you have to pay for SEO which is search engine optimation…..to be put on the first page of google and yahoo search engines then we would charge around 100 or so bucks depending on how much SEO is needed. The last deal I closed at In-View systems for web design was 5,100 bucks….just for one web site set up. It’s not cheap.

    #32943

    DCollins
    Participant

    Tough guy ? Real tough guys don’t

    ‘Brag’ about it, as they are. Or as Strother Martin said in “Cool Hand Luke” “What we’ve got here is a failure to communicate.”

    Is this the way a self appointed “Headsman” behaves in public? I don’t think so.

    From: Joseph Newman

    To: RandSgroup@yahoogroups.com

    Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:25 AM

    Subject: Re: [RandSgroup] Tennessee Melungeons

    🙂

    I have lots of lumbee friends myself….I was helping organize a boycott awhile back agianst radio station G105 for calling the Lumbee imbred.

    My family is the same way though…..there is supposed to be newspaper articles in Paulding county, ga about my paulding county, ga family killing some people and being sent away to prison back in the early 1900’s.

    My step grandfather was on death row back I figure around the 1960’s for murder but it was his friend who killed the guy and eventually the guy turned himself in.

    I myself have been in about I’d say alil over 60 fights….I have my neighborhood letters tattoo’d on the web of my hand….where I’m from only the truly wild get the letters done…everyone else gets the neighborhood letters put on their hat or shirt……I did about 2 months straight in a 10 foot by about 30 foot isolation concrete room for punching a correctional facility trustee once lol Awhile back I broke a bottle over this dude from Los angelas’ forehead, I remember back when I as a lil kid my step grand father had about 6 cops called on him so he hit 3 of them with this walking cane….he would hide whiskey bottles in his fake leg, get tore up for the floor up drinking and then drive thru the mountain roads around West Virginia with us all in the car, not the safest thing in the world to do/ His son and his daughter both have been charged several times with swinging on cops….his daughter did 2 years in a womens prison for breaking a cop’s nose.

    #32944

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    lol

    I’m not a headsman lol but then agian…if you want to talk about historically correct native american ways in the east coast…then yes….that is how alot of the natives was.

    Historical native american communities was not peace loving tree huging hippies lalalala Thats only on TV and in disney movies.

    And anway….I see you did not post what that discussion was about….it started with us discussing the Lowery family of the Lumbee…and then started talking about anger issues among certain descent communities today.

    You want to see our ancestors….

    27 Sept 1728

    Sir:

    The 27th of September John Carter brought Negro Cofey to my house, as he says, by your orders, for me to examine concerning what the Saponys have told him about the white people, which I have done, and he tells me:

    that Great George told him that John Sauano and a fellow called Ben Harrison was gone to the Cotobers to fetch one hundred of them to come and see why their Indians was put in prison,

    and if Capt. Tom was hanged they would carry their wives and children over the Roanoke River and then they would drive the white people and negros as far as James River,

    and he says that Tony Mack told him that if Pyah was hanged he and the Cotobers would come and take revenge of the English,

    and he says that Sapony Tom told him if his son Harry Erwin was hanged they would kill you and three or four more Gentlemen and then go off,

    and he says that Dick told him that we had no business to come to the fort armed to concern ourselves about their killing one another, but we were like a sow that had lost her pigs would rally for a little time and then have done *, but when they began a war with the English they never would have done *.

    This from your humble servant to command,

    Thomas Avent

    The original document is held by the Virginia Historical Society, Richmond, VA and will give you a copy of the original.

    http://aventfamily.org/taveltr.htm

    In 1730, “William Bohannon came into court and made oath that about twenty-six of the Sapony Indians that inhabit Colonel Spotswood’s land in Fox’s neck go about and do a great deal of mischief by firing the woods; more especially on the 17th day of April last whereby several farrows of pigs were burnt in their beds, and that he verily believes that one of the Indians shot at him the same day, the bullet entering a tree within four feet of him; that he saw the Indian about one hundred yards from him, and no game of any sort between them; that the Indian after firing his gun stood in a stooping manner very studdy [steady] so that he could hardly discern him from a stump, that he has lost more of his pigs than usual since the coming of the said Indians; which is ordered to be certified to the General Assembly. ” Orange county VA

    1709:

    In 1709 North Carolina courts the Saponi Chief complained in Court to the Judge that the Nottoway and Tuskarora had killed two Saponi, the Nottoway replied that the Saponi had killed 3 of theirs and wounded 2 more before their return attack. The Saponi proposed the indian custom which stated that if one tribe murdered another tribe’s person then that tribe must pay them. The Nottoway appeared upon this if the Saponi would also pay for the 3 they had killed as well. This made the Judge mad and said this was not the white man’s way to put aprice upon human life and if they bargain among themselves then he would have nothing to say on the matter. That Saponi then stated that it was not them which killed the 3 Nottoway, stating it was the Tutelo. The Nottoway stated the Tutelo and Saponi was one, the Nottoway further stated that some time ago the Nottoway paid these Saponi a ammount of Wampum (a shell used in jewlery and adoption ceremonies) to help kill off all the Tutelo. The Nottoway said instead these Saponi took the Wampum then told the Tutelo of the plan. This is probally why the three Nottoway was killed. The Nottoway then proposed that they would allow the Saponi to keep the Wampum and also pay for the 2 dead if they would honor their original deal and join the Nottoway in killing off all the Tutelo. The Saponi chief stated he would consider this new offer, the tribes returned home. The judge over this matter wrote to the Virginia government stateing that if the Tuskarora was offered up to be murdered by the Saponi then English lives would for certain be taken.

    #32945

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    We also could refer to Occaneechi john Hasecoll who killed then took out the heart of Needham.

    Our ancestors also practiced Sacrafaces.

    Our ancestors was not tree loving hippies….our ancestors was battle cats plain and simple…..we descend from some of the fiercest tribal warriors in the south East. Even Powhatan feared our ancestors…..so did the Hatteras.

    Why do you think Spotswood always wanted to use the Saponi to protect the Settlers? lol we was Spotswood’s own little personal army lol.

    When Powhatan needed help fighting John smith’s people….Powhatan came to the Saponi for muscle.

    The Tuscarora was some pretty powerful warriors too….thats where the Lumbee warrior spirit comes from…..read up on the Lowery family some time lol. Also read up on the Tuscarora war…..they gave the English quite a battle.

    you know how our ancestors killed their enemies they captured? they stuck pine splinters all over their enemies’ body then lit the splinters on fire…….the Tuscarora did this also…..

    But yea..like I said..our ancestors was no tree loving hippie….our ancestors was warriors…….descendants today still have that warrior spirit.

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