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  • #32964

    Ga-Nc Collins
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    Pre….means before something takes place….thus pre melungeon.

    Thus it is a real thing.

    however you do not know what Pre means.

    I can also trace my Collins family back much further than yours….and the matter still stands that your apprently not even a collins……your ancestor was apprently adopted by one of the collins…..hey DNA does not lie…..your no Vardy Collins….and Your no Shep gibson…..and by your own words Your no Bunch……and by your own words Your no Saponi…..so hey I guess your not part of the group no more lol…You’ve excluded your ownself…..

    As for newman’s ridge…as I stated before…my family was there before ANY melungeons……the ridge is named after MY family.

    I just checked that wikipedia page…and it has not changed since dec 10th…and it has been worked on by several different people.

    It’s clear your out of gas.

    #32965

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    The 1750 tax list of Granville County, NC list the following: William Bowling 1 tithe, James Bowlin 1 tithe, Gideon Bunch 2 tithes (Micajer and William), Thomas Collins Sr. 1 tithe, Samuel Collins 1 tithe, John Collins 1 tithe, Thomas Gibson with tithes Charles and George Gibson.

    Thomas1 Gibson, born say 1692, left a 29 October 1734 Hanover County will, proved that year on 7 November, by which he gave his sons Thomas and John Gibson 50 acres each, gave daughter Vine Nicks, wife of Edward Nicks, Frances Humphrey, and Mary Brock a shilling each. He gave his house and cattle to his son-in-law Edward Nicks who he named as executor and directed that Edward should bring up his children John and Valentine Gibson and also William Roberson [Court Records 1733-5, 151]. He was the father of

    9 i. Thomas2, born say 1712.

    ii. Vine, born say 1714, wife of Edward Nicks/ Nix.

    iii. John, born say 1716.

    iv. Valentine.

    And here is my direct line:

    Frederick Brock (wife unknown)

    Apears of 1755 and 1777 tax lists of Orange county, NC.

    He moved 130 miles from VA to Orange county, NC.

    He appears of 1782 tax lists in Rutherford county, NC.

    Reuben Brock is listed in 1790 Rutherford county, NC census and five miles west of Frederick’s home.

    His son David brock was born

    1760 Orange county, NC. (Wife unknown).

    Had brothers named James, Loyd, and John.

    David lived on Reedy river in SC.

    Died in Greenville, SC.

    Also:

    25 Jan 1745 Louisa County, Virginia Court: William Hall, Samuel Collins, William Collins, Samuel Bunch, George Gibson, Benjamin Brannum, Thomas Gibson, & William Donothan appear to answer an indictment for concealing tithables. Plead not guilty, Case continued. (Louisa County, Va., Tithables and Census)

    Louisa county borders Hanover county, NC.

    So there may or may not also be a Gibson connection in my line as well….

    This was not the Only time the Brocks and Gibsons was found together:

    Clear Fork Baptist Church Minutes Copyright Date 1807 Cumberland/Clinton Co

    KY

    1807:

    Jan: Bro BROCK suspended by the church, case laid over.

    Charge against Valentine COLINS – appt Wm WOOD &

    Isaac DENTON to call on him. Letter of dismission to

    James ROBERTSON & Mary his wife.

    Ephraim Osborne Jr.

    1) born 1754 in Rowan Co., NC

    2) 1774 (Lord Dunmore’s War): Ephraim was among those diverted to Capt. Looney’s company on the Clinch and did not fight at Point Pleasant. Instead he was with Capt Looney, Lieut. Daniel Boone and Lieut. John Cox guarding the Clinch frontier………..

    Ephraim married Mary Brock (b. before 1774, d. between 1830-1840 in Harlan Co., KY), the daughter of Aaron Brock, sometimes called by his Cherokee name Cutsawah or Red Bird and a Cherokee woman called Sarah. She was a sister to Jesse Brock who fought on the Whig side in the Revolution. It appears that Ephraim or his descendants were present at the Massacre at Yahoo Falls in 1810 on the side of the Cherokee. After this attack, the mixed race Cherokee ceased to exist in Kentucky as Indians and were assimilated into the white population.

    To explain our dark complexions many of our ancestors claimed to have been Portuguese, Black Dutch, Black Irish, and or Melungeon. Years of speculation about the mysterious melungeons have led to DNA studies and many other studies that have yielded very few answers. The fact is the lion share of Melungeon people are nothing more than Native American and White mixed. While a large percentage of our ancestors were indeed a tri-race of African American, Native American and White. There is a high probability that if you have Native blood that originated in the Southeastern United States you have African American blood. So I get a big kick out of the so called white power fools in this region. Especially the ones with names of Hale, Crider, Sizemore, Brock, Fields, Adams, Bennett, Gibson, Gilbert, Bowling and on and on and on. “

    http://theruraldemocrat.typepad.com/the_rural_democrat/kentucky-native-american-.html

    #32966

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Written and Complied by Richard Haithcock and Vicky Haithcock

    Indians with Saponi origins have the surnames:

    Payne

    OCCANEECHI-SAPONI and others recorded on the Pittsyvania Co,VA. Tax List of 1782-1785; many of these moved into the Carolinas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, Missouri Territory, etc.

    Thomas Payne

    William Payne

    Robert Payne

    Thomas Collins

    1753 -Various tax list for Orange Co., N.C. include several families – surnames of mulattoes such as:

    Bunch

    Gibson

    Collins

    Goings

    approximately 30 Saponi lived in Granville Co., N.C. in 1755.

    http://gardnergreen.info/CherokeeSaponi.html

    Now my Payne family.

    Mary E Payne

    Born 1760 or 1765 Orange county or Caswell county, NC.

    #32967

    Steve-o
    Participant

    “…So I get a big kick out of the so called white power fools in this region. Especially the ones with names of Hale, Crider, Sizemore, Brock, Fields, Adams, Bennett, Gibson, Gilbert, Bowling and on and on and on. “

    GRRRRRRRRR Don’t even get me started in all this foolishness. Biggest load of crap I have read on here. I’d love to see proof of this alleged band of Shawnee’s writings, and find it pretty lame for it to be posted here to win a cat fight.

    But hey…

    Everyone thought I was the bad guy around here…

    Opinions do change I suppose…and I would guess they already have more than likely. This whole thing is more infantile than anything I ever have been involved in on this forum. But…

    Cut & Paste away. Just don’t fool yourself that everything you find online is fact.

    A Hale (maternal), Gibson (paternal) descendant. Married to a Bowling (from Eastern Kentucky), and tied into the Gilbert and Sizemore lines.

    MEEEEOWWWWWW!!!!

    #32968

    cherosage
    Participant

    What’s with this dickering and as Steve O says Cat Fight. You guys are turning this into a site that is no longer civil and/or much fun and informative.

    Now for some real (?)s. Does any one know what Revolutionary War period Units that the different Tribes may have fought with.(under which Commands, so to speak).

    #32974

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    Steve-o wrote: “…So I get a big kick out of the so called white power fools in this region. Especially the ones with names of Hale, Crider, Sizemore, Brock, Fields, Adams, Bennett, Gibson, Gilbert, Bowling and on and on and on. “

    GRRRRRRRRR Don’t even get me started in all this foolishness. Biggest load of crap I have read on here. I’d love to see proof of this alleged band of Shawnee’s writings, and find it pretty lame for it to be posted here to win a cat fight.

    But hey…

    Everyone thought I was the bad guy around here…

    Opinions do change I suppose…and I would guess they already have more than likely. This whole thing is more infantile than anything I ever have been involved in on this forum. But…

    Cut & Paste away. Just don’t fool yourself that everything you find online is fact.

    A Hale (maternal), Gibson (paternal) descendant. Married to a Bowling (from Eastern Kentucky), and tied into the Gilbert and Sizemore lines.

    MEEEEOWWWWWW!!!!

    I just noticed that was from a shawneee band lol…..it was posted on Indians.com awhile back…..I just used it because it had the Brock and gibson name together.

    #32975

    Ga-Nc Collins
    Participant

    cherosage wrote: What’s with this dickering and as Steve O says Cat Fight. You guys are turning this into a site that is no longer civil and/or much fun and informative.

    Now for some real (?)s. Does any one know what Revolutionary War period Units that the different Tribes may have fought with.(under which Commands, so to speak).

    Depends on exactly which tribes.

    Also…we have to keep in mind that war was in the late 1700’s…..a time when many tribes in VA-NC had pretty much been just as much like the settlers…….Like most of the algonkians of NC had pretty much done been placed on the mattamuskeet reservation…and by the mid 1700’s the mattamuskeet had pretty much started selling off the reservation and moving into regular settler towns………for VA all the monacan and Manahoacs had already been placed on a reservation and had the reservation taken away and a large chunk had been sent up to pennsylvania and new york with the Cayuga and tuscarora……those that stayed had done the same as the Mattamuskeet……..then you have the Tuscarora who nearly the same thing was happening but alot of the Tuscarora who stayed in NC still lived on reservations at this time……

    Now with the Catawba…..lots of them was able to fight in that war together….peter harris is one of the most famous Catawbas in that war…..in SC there is a painting of Peter serving in that war.

    So pretty much….that war was a time these tribes would not of been fighting under their tribal name but just there name…..by the late 1700’s, the VA-NC tribes had been pretty much englishized lol…Cherokees have used this fact to try and keep any government funds from going to the other tribes in NC (but still some tribes in NC are still able to get Government funding)……

    We also have to keep in mind that some tribes was having their names changed by the Government…..such as the monacan, manahoac, occaneechi, etc had been placed on one reservation and given the name Saponi…..most of the nc algonkians was given the name Mattamuskeet (not a real tribe name), and the Cheraw, Tuscarora, and some (not nearly all) Hateras/Croatoan had been given the name Croatoan of Robeson county, NC which was then changed to Lumbee (not a real tribe name).

    #32980

    DCollins
    Participant

    What part of ” I AM A COLLINS “don’t you get. From Valentine all the way down to my surname today with a very well documented paper trail all the way through. An other descendant from Valentine has had his DNA tested and we match exact so there is no adoption here. I am a PROVEN descendant of Valentine through DNA and paper. Go check the Melungeon DNA project and you will find 4 different male line’s of Collins that are not related at all. Collins is a very common surname and does not mean all are related. You need to do some real research! This cut and past of ” Other” researcher’s work (same thing over and over again on many threads) is getting old and cluttering up the boards.

    Where is your proof through DNA that you are a Collins since DNA does not lie, how about a paper trail ?

    I thought I had seen everything, but a “wannabe’ Collins is new to me.

    DC

    #32981

    Linda
    Keymaster

    This is out of hand. I’m closing this thread and if this kind of behavior continues onto other threads the posters will be banned.

    I am also getting complaints of citations and credits being misappropriated and misused. I will say again, laws concerning the quoting of other authors must be followed. Repeated infractions will be grounds for banning.

    I received the following message from someone reading this thread:

    Just FYI, the two portraits of Josiah Collins 1st and 2nd depicted on that first page of the thread are both from the collection of Somerset Place, Lake Phelps, N. C. Josiah 1st came from England to NC in 1773 with his son, Josiah 2nd and daughter. They lived in Edenton and at Somerset Place and were not of mixed race. Josiah 1st’s dates are 1735 – 1819. His portrait shows him to have very pale skin and light blue-gray eyes. You can Google Somerset Place to see more of their history, if you’re interested.

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