Dna Testing

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  • #35892

    roca
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    Linda,

    I won’t be at the Occaneechi;it’s a little far for me. Might take at least 4hrs to get there.

    #35893

    1_optimistic
    Participant

    Linda;36408 wrote: Great! Did you see an email from me about it, though?

    Honestly, I am not sure , but I do remember seeing your announcement on this website.

    #35894

    Nannanae
    Participant

    1_optimistic;36398 wrote: Hi Roca,

    Long time 😀

    Well, I took the big leap and FINALLY invested in a DNA test (DNATribes). If you like, I could send you an email to show the results. I am still trying to figure it all out. However, the following is the link to my homemade video:

    http://www.onetruemedia.com/otm_site/view_shared?p=ddaac33afe1504d0c73874&skin_id=701&utm_source=otm&utm_medium=text_url

    Enjoy!

    very cool. very nice presentation, and a few of those ladies sure did look like you .

    I am very glad you got some positive results.

    my mtdna experience was a flop, what a mess and waist of years .

    #35895

    Nannanae
    Participant

    roca;31433 wrote: Spilleddi,

    I think the labs must have screwed up.Maybe I’ll retest with one of these labs or try a 3rd lab.

    Roca

    no they have your direct mother or

    more likely your direct father as north african in their computer models of their idea of race and origins..

    but it might be a direct native who is put on their computer models as north african. is your direct grandfather or maybe grandmother native?

    think about what is being compared with dna.

    one ‘race” against another ‘race”, who’s model are they using for their comparisons of what they determine a race to be ? their idea of origins , their ideas of race! what is put into their computer models ? yes from their ideas of origins and their ideas of

    ‘race’!

    comparing one set of genes from stereotypes and building those stereotypes into their computer models of race.

    so unless your usually direct male is a native stereotypical type and listed in their models as that stereotypical “race” which they gathered from their theory in the first place.

    so we have to stop thinking this is about your genes ..

    it is about them and their theory of origins and their stereotypes and so it is all about them. because they sure as heck aint asking us.. they are telling us who we are , aren’ they?

    all their computer models tell us because we are not south americans we are not native americans. because we are not asians we are not native americans.

    this is only about them.

    this is like saying to a european “because you are not african, you are not european”.

    why is it any different? that is what their computer models tell us isn’t it?

    north americans indian had a small percentage of south americans come to north america in pre history, theirs is the only genes that will show up.. besides some chinese railroad workers, and maybe some polynesian pearl divers genes will show higher native american than real -orginal native americans. because they got their models and their theories of origins wrong.

    does that help at all.

    don’t spend anymore money! till they get a clue .. because dna is all about them and their circular reasonings .it is not about you !

    #35896

    Three Crows
    Participant

    Some good insight and articulation on the part of Nannanae. This is not a problem for eggheads to solve.

    I have a few unanswered question myself, but on the other hand, I have been able to fill in a lot of blanks with the help of the denizens of Saponitown. No place like home.

    #35898

    Nannanae
    Participant

    well if anyone does their dna and it comes up matching Tuareg ,maybe Guanches or Fulani even down to the Wodaabe around Cameroon or any island in the middle tara ( ian) or maybe orkney or Finish maybe parts of france/spain … then your grandma and grandpa’s were not lying and you are probably really native american. because after the event as best I can find .. these were some of those left behind there .

    anyone want a glimps into the oldest kind of native traditional sort of mating meat market . a kind of party of our ancestors and why God tried to wiped us from the earth a few times.

    check out Salle Curee (sp?) and Waadabe’s beautiful male meat market, this is the closest thing I can find to what once was here. they kiss the air to point and they share ashes after the party and they do so many of the things we all know that once was and wasn’t so anykind of “Noble savage”. nope just nasty !

    http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=wodaabe&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    this is exactly why cherokee men committed suicide after getting the pox and becoming ‘imperfect’ and less than beautiful and strong.

    if they weren’t beautiful and perfect in every way they might not get any.

    so yep our ancestors were nasty also,

    so it was the traditions till just 300-400 years ago.

    so yes God wanted that stuff to end because that is not how He created us to be. and it did end sort of ….. but as a nation now we are back at being nasty again and more disease is spreading all the time .

    and I brought that up because ,,

    guess what?

    they all have

    “european” dna :p

    Y- dna R,E,

    mtdna U5,V,H,J and a few more I can’t remember !!!

    yep… do they look like europeans to anyone ? do we think they might get offended if they were told they had

    ‘european dna” ? :rolleyes:!!!

    but really just look at the bone structure , do they look like darker, curlier ( thus africa adapted) siouan tribes maybe? but they have real light ones too and babies that are born blond also. I found my brother, my nephew and myself and my sister , our exact bone structure but in black/africa adapted .

    so as you can see sciences theories of history, time and race, and the spread of mankind and his adaptations to an area, and the lands , available foods , and sunlight and many more elements, the land and adaptations to a land is only what makes up a

    “race”. so they got it wrong. very very wrong.

    so when they tell you you have native american it probably only means you have south american dna.

    well as you can see they got some real big issues, they are going to have to deal with it !

    anyone want my ideas and theory as to real history of our origins.

    well here is fair warning .

    I am tainted in that I only believe in eye witnessed and recorded history , I care not how it is recorded .. but I do give some preferences to written first , then oral records of any people over science .. and in no way do I believe in scientists wild a…… imaginations which they like to pretend is

    “logic” but how logical is it to dismiss eye witnessed accounts with a joke ?

    Personally I believe to do that proves they are just every kind of ignorant!

    anyone who wants my theory based on clues my great grandma gave me as a kid , it has been erased and not allowed to be posted on three different websites now. oh the truth is always offensive isn’t it , because truth always changes us doesn’t it ? so I have to give it personally to anyone who wants it or else I might get banned from this site also. :p

    if anyone wants the short version of it . email me personally.

    #35899

    1_optimistic
    Participant

    Nannanae;36413 wrote: very cool. very nice presentation, and a few of those ladies sure did look like you .

    I am very glad you got some positive results.

    my mtdna experience was a flop, what a mess and waist of years .

    Aww!! Thank you for your positive feedback. I am sorry your DNA Test did not help with your journey.

    Which ladies did you think I look like? Just Curious 🙂

    #35900

    Nannanae
    Participant

    gee the ones in south america all could have been your sisters.

    so now I get to ask where exactly is your “indians”, like which lines.

    because I want to guess by your dna results.

    guess one so your direct dads line third choice and or

    his direct mothers line maybe sop this second choice ?

    or your mothers fathers direct male line .. and that is my first choice!

    Ok where do you know the dna is coming from?

    I think I learned a little from my mtdna test .. but it will take years for others to get brave enough to say their U5b2 was native indian… because now they won’t let U5 into the “indian” dna projects.

    I tested with dna Consultants because I thought they were collecting

    “clan” data and wanted to confirm some thing I thought my great grandma had told me about my direct grandmas line. they had been looking for years for info long forgotten , with all kinds of conflicting stories from chickasaw and choctaw and chickshaw ( whatever that was ) to the secret a few were told ” dont tell anyone but we are really cherokees” . but I think we trace to barker who married Oconostota’s daughter ollie nionee sister.. but I did not know if she was full sister, so I wanted to see if we match paint clan and any of those claiming to be from Nionee.

    but so far I can’t find anyone who is claiming that. oh boy

    so sirnames that we are matching with names like THORN , and ‘Yocum’ claiming to trace through or to Cornplanter or Cornstock .. and the other match is a surname I had tried to find a connection to shoeboots family some how .. I thought it was Pemberton or Templeton I found a Templeton match up to him , but I got a dna match with the Sirname Pembleton, so is that close enough? I think we are in the right group somehow and with the name Thorn who is from a woman in canada , well that sure is a hint of a paint clan name. or at the very least an adopted paint clan name.

    but no one is brave enough to step up and look the fool if they must.

    so

    because we are U5b2b(2)probably with no matches in Europe , and 5 years ago to be told your grandma was “a german”…no . then a scot , then a irish, then a Wodaabe, then an English , Guanches . then a Fulani , a Tuareg, a Sardinian , a slave …………… then one of the matches has been something new every week since I found we matched him . yes 4- 5 years of that. and now no one will talk about what they do know because science says “U5 is euro mtdna ” and no one wants to fight science about it and the old fart who don’t know who his grandma was. but they are now finding U5b2’s in India also and anyone who knows what Attakullakulla said about origins …Well we are supposed to have matches in some part of “TOWARD asia”(central asia?right ?) and in “TOWARDs India” but he said we came here by way of the rising sun. I believe him.. not bering straits. and some kind of closer type matches are coming up from brazil and one of the islands where cherokee went to live in the Caribbean …… so I took them on and yes i look like a fool for 5 years and have been called every name in the book , every kind of wannabes name, from mexicans mostly. and look the fool to a bunch of people who think man came from a monkey ! :confused: really after all that , all I can say is: who cares what they think! do they even think?

    so yes my dna experience was a probably a wash so far , and it can still go either way … until folks get brave enough to tell what they know or science gets a clue . well I probably won’t find the exact info I was searching for .

    my real problem is I still don’t know exactly what I should tell my cousins, because nothing is really confirmed yet, just tiny hints of kind of close ..:confused:

    but I am very happy your dna experience was way nicer than mine has been!!

    #35901

    1_optimistic
    Participant

    Nannanae;36421 wrote: so now I get to ask where exactly is your “indians”, like which lines.

    I have Indigenous American blood on my paternal grandmother and grandfather side. In addition, I think I have it on my maternal grandmother’s side.

    South America huh? 😎

    Thanks for sharing your experience with us all. Since I received my genetic results, I’ve realized that there are some missing links to Indigenous American origins.

    #35903

    Nannanae
    Participant

    yep after my dna experiences .. every week something new, something borrowed and somehting blue. and sang

    “we are the world”

    We can’t go on

    Pretneding day by day

    That someone, somewhere will soon make a change

    We are all a part of

    God’s great big family

    And the truth, you know lub is all we need

    [Chorus]

    We are the world

    We are the children

    , every time you open the computer someone is saying you are something new. it seems I learned I was “all my relatives” all by myself !

    and I felt just like sybil 😡 :p

    the interesting part I kind of did enjoy was when they said I was some new thing, some new nationality that I had never even heard of ! I learned all about it trying to figure out how that could be somehow connected to some truth somewhere in some time or some age or maybe where they may have had shared Roots.

    so sybil and all her relatives went around the world in 15000 days…

    #35905

    Clydene
    Participant

    Nannanae;36421 wrote: gee the ones in south america all could have been your sisters.

    so now I get to ask where exactly is your “indians”, like which lines.

    because I want to guess by your dna results.

    guess one so your direct dads line third choice and or

    his direct mothers line maybe sop this second choice ?

    or your mothers fathers direct male line .. and that is my first choice!

    Ok where do you know the dna is coming from?

    I think I learned a little from my mtdna test .. but it will take years for others to get brave enough to say their U5b2 was native indian… because now they won’t let U5 into the “indian” dna projects.

    I tested with dna Consultants because I thought they were collecting

    “clan” data and wanted to confirm some thing I thought my great grandma had told me about my direct grandmas line. they had been looking for years for info long forgotten , with all kinds of conflicting stories from chickasaw and choctaw and chickshaw ( whatever that was ) to the secret a few were told ” dont tell anyone but we are really cherokees” . but I think we trace to barker who married Oconostota’s daughter ollie nionee sister.. but I did not know if she was full sister, so I wanted to see if we match paint clan and any of those claiming to be from Nionee.

    but so far I can’t find anyone who is claiming that. oh boy

    so sirnames that we are matching with names like THORN , and ‘Yocum’ claiming to trace through or to Cornplanter or Cornstock .. and the other match is a surname I had tried to find a connection to shoeboots family some how .. I thought it was Pemberton or Templeton I found a Templeton match up to him , but I got a dna match with the Sirname Pembleton, so is that close enough? I think we are in the right group somehow and with the name Thorn who is from a woman in canada , well that sure is a hint of a paint clan name. or at the very least an adopted paint clan name.

    but no one is brave enough to step up and look the fool if they must.

    so

    because we are U5b2b(2)probably with no matches in Europe , and 5 years ago to be told your grandma was “a german”…no . then a scot , then a irish, then a Wodaabe, then an English , Guanches . then a Fulani , a Tuareg, a Sardinian , a slave …………… then one of the matches has been something new every week since I found we matched him . yes 4- 5 years of that. and now no one will talk about what they do know because science says “U5 is euro mtdna ” and no one wants to fight science about it and the old fart who don’t know who his grandma was. but they are now finding U5b2’s in India also and anyone who knows what Attakullakulla said about origins …Well we are supposed to have matches in some part of “TOWARD asia”(central asia?right ?) and in “TOWARDs India” but he said we came here by way of the rising sun. I believe him.. not bering straits. and some kind of closer type matches are coming up from brazil and one of the islands where cherokee went to live in the Caribbean …… so I took them on and yes i look like a fool for 5 years and have been called every name in the book , every kind of wannabes name, from mexicans mostly. and look the fool to a bunch of people who think man came from a monkey ! :confused: really after all that , all I can say is: who cares what they think! do they even think?

    so yes my dna experience was a probably a wash so far , and it can still go either way … until folks get brave enough to tell what they know or science gets a clue . well I probably won’t find the exact info I was searching for .

    my real problem is I still don’t know exactly what I should tell my cousins, because nothing is really confirmed yet, just tiny hints of kind of close ..:confused:

    but I am very happy your dna experience was way nicer than mine has been!!

    – – – –

    Hi:

    My y-DNA revealed I’m U-5 also so we have something in common. Look, I don’t profess to be an expert in DNA but here are some of the problems that we often overlook and they are very basic. The first one is your Haplotype. The DNA test is like dropping a pebble in the water. When it hits the water the rings it produces are your immediate family and immediate ancestors for several generations. Then as the pebble sinks and land on the bottom of the pond, that determines where your Haplotype begun and the actual physical migrations trail back to you.

    If you’re grandmother was Indian and you get a U5 Haplotype, this does not mean you are NOT Indian. Why? Now we are back to the very basics, again. If you buy the Y-DNA you are only testing your father’s direct line. If your father’s grandmother was, indeed, Native American, her Indian Blood will not even be a consideration.

    The same is true for MT-DNA. If your maternal grandmother’s father was Native American, again, he will not be a factor at all.

    Autosomal is much more complicated but it too has some drawbacks. It’s interesting to know that migration trail back to us but some of it is fluff that you will never be able to use in your research.

    Nothing will point to your family tree and tell you who to test and for what? You must do your homework but surname testing for yourself does not always give you the answers you are seeking.

    In my family the above two examples are true for both my mt and Y-DNA results. Sooo, I have to find a daughter or son of both those grandmother’s direct surnames lines and test those descendants to get an accurate result of the Native American blood in my line. Yes, they are my direct ancestors, as well, but the switch from female to male or male to females occurs at that very point and my DNA results, naturally, skip this switch in sex. It is simple but harder to explain…..ha ha.

    Since this happened to me, just thought I’d add this. Thanks for listening. Clydene

    #35906

    Nannanae
    Participant

    but they do not know who was here ! they are using chinese railroad workers/turned miners dna from

    “china lake” the one between canada and USA to prove

    “bering straits”, so he** no I ain’t going to match ” chinese railroad workers” mtdna or dna either , thanks anyway !

    I believe my great grandma told me I was a direct descendant of Ollie/alle/alleg/elis/illi etc Nionee sister and we all know Oconostota had a few wives . possibly a french one(someone spoke french) maybe metis, could be Nionee’s mothers line spoke french and had northern tribe connections like Attakullakulla / nancy Moytoy husband Raven did also , but we have no french matches. he had an english wife lucy ward , history records now that daughter died or is Nancy Ward and we do not match her mtdna line .. so I can’t prove anything except I am not lucy wards line, either way with no english matches . . but just because science doesn’t recognize my mtdna is native , yep and those Guanches and Wodaabe and most of the Taureg are all ” europeans” also.. ,am I am supposed to believe their ignorant theories … I sure don’t think so . well whatever kind of ‘European’ I am from the same lot in the same dispersal in history as them . no matches in Africa either . closest match is between two u5b2 and u5b3 lines on the sardinian Island, where it just so happens that Elis -ani / sea people/port a gi? people were said to have settled after the event that destroyed their lands .

    google “levallois in the USA”.

    those tools got here before” the event”/ AKA “clovis horizon” two sterile soil levels scientists like to pretend is thousands and thousands of years.

    Natives families who know their tales know what happened during those events , but can not speak of it .. but science hasn’t got a clue. they haven’t “proved ” a relevant question yet.

    yes they have

    “proved” their own ignorant irrelevant questions/ theories . now irrelevant circular reasoned questions that I would let the goofy believe if they want too, is not irrelevant when it is demanding the right to tell people who they are based on and in and from their irrelevant theories.

    I traced NE NA’s real old eastern culture and it is not in asia!

    nope you can find us coming this way , by tracing neanderthal genes . also studying what is remembered of Guanches culture, with it’s devil dog God Guoyta/coyote , with a few more hints in Wodaabe “marriage” wife swaping parties and terms like Bororo and kissing the wind to point. the “neanderthal ” tools that are here ,prove it . “neanderthals” another of thier ignorant and raciest concepts and constructs, they are now trying to wiggle out of those lies too. because they got caught !

    you can find the info using their own freak-en irrelevant studies and such , at levallois in the USA at about .com .

    dear they don’t have a clue who was here or even how dna is inherited in order to tell anyone who they are or are not.

    sorry dear , they just do not know who was here or how they got in this land .

    oh but they are getting a clue or two of just how wrong they can be.

    #35948

    Greywolf
    Participant

    This may help:

    http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2011/04/what-dna-can-tell-you-and-what-it-cant/ The comment at the end is interesting but you will have to sign in to read it.

    #35950

    Nannanae
    Participant

    Greywolf;36481 wrote: This may help:

    http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2011/04/what-dna-can-tell-you-and-what-it-cant/ The comment at the end is interesting but you will have to sign in to read it.

    EXCELLENT!

    “But not all geneticists are sold on the accuracy of the autosomal testing options currently available. First, the tests are offered by private, for-profit companies that have developed their own databases and categorizations. Secondly, autosomal testing can blur the line between proportion (“you are 30% European”) and probability (“people of European descent are likely to share 30% of your autosomal data”)

    yep

    and they won’t/CAN’T even see the female lines.. those FEMALE LINES AND TRAITS are the constant and thus there is nothing to compare FROM one TO another, IT IS THE FOUNDATION THE HOUSE IS BUILT ON , they have only compared male “type”/ the over printed type in a system/PERSONS body.. the female line it is the foundations of the system and SO they are thus like the ghosts in the system . they are not seen because they are the constant elements, and they have been comparing changes .

    EXCEPT MAYBE WITH TIME THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO TELL SHORT LINES FROM TALL LINES MAYBE Or SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAYBE!

    but I have seen who obviously were different female clans/line and with the same dad lines and the kids looked exact alike except for their sizes.

    so that is why that jew, since jews have a high percentage of Y haplogroup Q,

    his TYPE IS COMING BACK ALMOST 40% “NATIVE AMERICAN” , BECAUSE HE A JEW SHARES 40% OF HIS ‘TYPE’ WITH A ‘REAL NATIVE AMERICAN’ OF THIER CHOSEN STEREOTYPE 😉

    DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?

    sorry if it didn’t . I am trying to convey years of animal breeding/plant breeding study and experience in a few sentences

    #35955

    Nannanae
    Participant

    just for your info

    mayan as a whole /cherry picked as that is ,…….are predomaniently Q this is also probably one of the Pheoncians type of sea people/ sea going tribes , but no one will ever admit it . but it is why Q is so high in the Jews.

    Nadene are predominately C at a very high % .

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