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August 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15845ShereeParticipant
Dna testing most certainly could show whether or not most of us are related on this board. In my opinion that may be all that DNA is useful for. If you have a match to an individual on the maternal line then you are related to that person. You have a 50/50 chance of finding a connection within 52 generations (a long time:o)) or more.
A male connection is said to have connections much much closer than 52 generations. Native American Haplogroups are A, B, C,D, and X. If you have a haplogroup of A,B,C,D, or X then they can narrow down your DNA to an area of the United States. Your Native American group is then based on what tribes were said to be in that area. Not very specific.
However, if you have ethnic origins of the United States showing on your results then you have some Native American Ancestry but you still have to do exactly what we are doing here and that is try to find your Native Americans in your lines.
It would be nice to organize a DNA project for members of this board and very interesting to say the least.
SherryAugust 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15846LindaKeymaster
Yes, I got them. I think there are too many to fit in a thread and not take forever to display. Can you narrow them down to just a couple for now? Let me know which you want to use.August 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15849
Thanks Chris — all I want is to find out which branch of the Hawkins line we come from. Dad always said he heard the surname came to America from Ireland.
They have projects of many surnames, and Hawkins is a very common surname so they said they already have had 50 people use it and they have alrady defined about 20 or so different Hawkins lines.
It will not tell you if your ancestor is American Indian, but it will trace the male line through the Y chromosome and the female line through mtDNA (mitochrondrial DNA) — but it can’t do anything in between, that is it won’t trace any paternal grandmothers nor will it trace any maternal grandfathers.
So I can’t test for my Waylands (those at Stoney Creek Primitive Baptist Church) who were probably neighbors to your ancestors, if I have that right.
For me all it will test is the Hawkins surname. This is useful for us since we can not trace our Hawkins line through usual genealogical means, that is — census records, court records, land records, et cetera.
vanceAugust 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15850
It does test for NA. If you have not sent it in yet, use as many markers as possible. We only used the minimum and reviews online say that that was not worth doing.
Yet, it gave us a match to England where the genealogical research on the Sinkey/Sankeys indicated that they were from. It did two things for the NA story though – it told us that the NA comes through the female line, since it did not come through the male and it sent me to looking more closely at the Sankey line, so that I found someone who might have been the first one here in Quaker minutes online.
It gave use an intriguing result though. It gave a close match to China, but the woman at the testing facility assured Deb, whose father did the test, that it would have said NA if that meant NA. That being said, another web site said that this kind of match meant so many years of generation difference. Totalling this matches the time period when Asian people were supposed to have come across the bridge from Asia.
I cannot do a test, though, because my ggrandfather breaks the female line, unless I do the test that tells me how much NA I have. I might do this when we get settled in our new house and sell the old one.
TechteachAugust 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15851LindaKeymaster
My mom did the mtDNA test, which tests the purely female line, to see what part of the world that originates from. We stupidly were requesting to know if that was NA. We should have asked where it led to, wherever that might be. All we found out was that in this one line, it ultimately terminates in Europe, however many Indian husbands there were along the way.
The test you’re talking about, Shoshone, will tell you what percentage you are of various racial groups? What exactly is it called? Is this a newer test?August 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15852
I guess I meant to say it won’t tell me anything about my Indian ancestors. All I will get is which European Hawkins I am descended from, from my understanding.
It might lead to a Hawkins that had known descendants who married into Indian families, or some branches that were known to live in/near Indian communities. That is probably the extent of it.
I already mailed it off to do the fewer markers — that was quite a bit cheaper.
I’d like to get a female descendant of one of dad’s 2 sisters to take the test for the mtDNA. That’d take us to the known Hawkins-Richey-Brown-Guess line and might lead to results saying we are Indian rather than European.
But I expect the straight Hawkins line to say European. They may have married Indian females, but it is my understanding that won’t show up in a Y chromosone DNA test.
vanceAugust 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15853
Good luck, Vance. I read that they run the larger test in case you want to pay for more markers later, although I am not sure it that is all the companies. I used the company you used. I have thought about seeing if more markers would make a difference, but I think it would not show anything more than it already did. We would probably show better results if there was a study of an entire group like you are doing, but I don’t have a group.
CindyAugust 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15854
I am curious as to how it says your male line has both Chinese and European DNA strands in it?? I had thought it would only show one or the other, not both.
Here’s the Hawkins page they have created —
In case anyone wants to see what they do with the information. Yall can do a search on their home page for your own surname and see if they have a project going for it.
The downside for having a very common surname is when searching for an ancestor with a common given name and a common surname, is which one is yours? There was no upside until DNA testing came along. Now, the upside is that maybe with a larger population database, more people will come along and provide DNA evidence, helping to find otherwise unfindable relatives.
Last time I looked it said 50 and now says 51 participants. Mabe they received my packet then. 🙂 I think I am an ideal candidate for DNA testing, as I have a fairly common surname that we can not trace any other way.
If I were independently wealthy maybe I’d have chosen the more expensive test — ain’t the case, tho 🙁 , but as you said, it can be updated later.
vanceAugust 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15855
The results exactly matched England. It was 1 or two matches different from China. Something I read said so many years were represented by that kind of match.
CindyAugust 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15895
I have been doing some research on the DNA testing, what I want to know is, are there any woman in the forum, whose NDN lineage is from their Father, and if so what DNA test do you take to find out your percentage, because as far as I can tell it only works if it is Mother to Daughter or Father to Son.
I am so confused because I really want to take the test but I dont know, I am trying to get my Dad to take the test, but we’ll see if he does.
Please help me understand.
Luvs Yall!August 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15907
As I understand the tests, there are 3 kinds. One is the kind I used, a father to father one. It gives you a comparison of males taking the test and tells you if the line is NA, not percentage. The female – female one can be used on either direct female to female lines or a line that is female to female until the male who takes the DNA test. In the latter, for example, my line is all female except for my ggrandfather, so I cannot take that test. Neither can my mother or grandmother. My ggrandfather broke the line. Were he still alive, he could take the female to female test or the mtDNA test.
Then there is a percentage test. It can be taken by anyone wanting to know what percentage of NA you are. That one, I can take. Sounds like the same for you.
If I am wrong, I would appreciate anyone on this forum enlightening me. I might, if we get our old house sold, take this one myself. If I am not interpreting this correctly and am wasting my money, I would like to know.
TechteachAugust 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15916
Oh yea were in the same boat, see I was thinking of taking the percentage test to, I might have to. I am a little concerned if my Dad is going to take the test, I think he might be shocked to find out we are tri mixed which i have believed for years but havenâ€™t proven it, I mentioned it to him one day and I got about three absolutely nots. You know how that goes, so ridiculous to freak out about such things what an amazing thing to embrace, but thatâ€™s what happens when you come down a line of people who were ethnically cleansed.
If he doesnt take the test or hides the results from me, I am going to eventually take the percentage test.August 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15952spilleddiModerator
The male Y chromosome test and female mDNA test are pretty straightforward. The percentage test takes some interpretation. Even full siblings can have different results, just as one can have blue eyes and the other brown. My grandma and two other close relatives took the test, and all came back with between 9% and 29% Native ancestry. Combined with genealogical research and oral history, these tests pretty much seal the case for native ancestry on that side of the family.
Now another side of my family took this same test, and individual whoâ€™s parents were from Europe, hes half Kalmyk (western Mongolian) and half English. Came back all Caucasian, with a small amount of African. Now this family is well documented, look part Asian, and who knows where the African came from. Small percentages of anything could be statistical error. I thought about having them redo the test, but I then realized that this tribe of Mongols had been in eastern Europe for 300 years, and had heavily intermarried with them over that time. And the genes from an obscure central Asian tribe may not have been picked up on the test. His mDNA test is from the Mongol side, and it came back undefined.
Also, some folks my not like the results. My grandpa was not pleased to learn of a strong Jewish background.
So the test can be useful when combined with other research, but I wouldnâ€™t accept the results hook, line, and sinker.
ShadAugust 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15954
So I am thinking if I took the basic test it would be more balanced between Ma and Pa? Because if I took the Mother to daughter test I am thinking it is going to come out predom German, Polish, thats why I am trying to get my Dad to take his, I think it would not be so hard to interpret. I was looking at a sample test and I was totaly confused, unless they actually tell you in a report what percetage you are of everything.
I dont know it’s 2 am do I sound confused? heheheAugust 3, 2005 at 8:00 pm #15960spilleddiModerator
If you haven’t already, you may want to check the websites of these DNA testing services, they do a good job of explaining exactly what these tests are looking for. The YDNA test (father’s father’s line), and the mtDNA test (mother’s mother’s line) can be found at http://www.familytreedna.com. The DNA print test (percentage test) can be found at http://www.dnaprint.com.
If your father has unknown racial mixing in his background, all three tests could be useful. You could also test a sibling of your father. If you took the percentage test, about half of your score would reflect your father’s ancestry, but you can’t tell which half. It would be best to go over these websites, and ask the testing service any questions first before spending your hard earned money, as the tests can be expensive.
Hope this helps.
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