January 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35063
Hi I’m debra and this is what I have about champ.alexander harris was s/o of james harris and his wife chaney gibson. chaney gibson was d/o champ gibson and his wife elizabeth maiden name unknown anyone with kin people in the goinstown area or from all seem to be related in one way or another. champs name has come up in my little bit of search that i’ve done. keep in touch we might find more and you can also get in touch with the madison library. debra ps Its feels very good to connect with family distant or other wiseJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35073
Hi thomas I don’t know if this is allowed so this might not come thru, but this is my e-mail email@example.com I will be out of town for a day or so but keep in touch. debraJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35078
Someone emailed me.
I found Isaac Pike b. 1786 m. Sarah ‘Sally’ Hooker.
Children: 1) Benjamin Pike,2) Nancy, 3)Mary ‘Polly” , 4)Gabriel,5) John,6) Ruth, 7)Sally Ann,
8)Rebecca Jane Pike married George A. ? ( Augustus) Rogers and 9) Susan Pike married Seeborn Going. . Seeborn’s parents were: Champ Going & Elizabeth LNU.
Champ born 1746. Elizabeth may have been a Gibson / Thomas Gibson will 1780 .
Henry Co., VA and Rockingham , NC area.January 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35080
Hi Thomas I just joined ancestry and found a 1920 census for joe henry and they were listed as white and my mothers name was listed as nealie. on the 1930 census granny was listed as indian and they had her name as finnie and my mothers name as nelie. on the 1880 census for peter my granny is not listed but I hace her b-day as 1890 I can say I’m very confused by all the name changes thru the years. at list I finnaly see my native amercan heritage listed on the 1930 census.let me know if you find anything. debraJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35081
Don’t take that for granted, that your grandmother was listed as Indian. It’s really quite rare. Many people have ancestors they’re sure had a good deal of Indian descent, but the census will list them as white, black or mulatto anyway. Where were these people living?January 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35082
Hi Linda,I don’t understand what you mean not to take it for granted.My family were from rockingham county nc. In the area called goinstown. I still have family that live there. debraJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35083
Hello debra. Ancestry .com is where I have found most of my information. All of my fathers relatives on the 1930 cencus are listed as INDIAN OR INDIAN/NATIVE AMERICAN. I have talked to other people and they said the indians that passed as white would put white down on all the gov’t documents so they would not be treated as a non-person or so they would have the right to own their land and the rights they would not get if they were INDIAN.The 1930 cencus has not been published to long. I cannot remember but the cencus is private until after 70 or so years. When I was looking in 2000 I could not get the 1930 cencus then when I started back last year 2009 it was opened.Alot of information is hard to find because the indians were trying to protect themselfs. That is what I have been told. thomasJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35084
Hi Thomas, I think we have figured out that emma and jennie are sisters. I just cant find her on the census in peter hickmans household. All this searching is exciting until you hit a dead end.I think my next action will be to go to madison library and to wentworth the county seat. Rockingham community collage is supposed to have a genological dept. too I have vacation coming so that should be a good time. did you see joe henry and jennie richardson head stone when you went to the cemetary? happy fathers day debraJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35085
I’m trying to let you know that it is a rare thing to find ancestors from the upper south who were listed as Indian in the census.
My understanding is that the racial designation was often at the discretion of the census taker. It may take some in-depth knowledge to know what the practice was at a particular time/place. The important principal is that, following the Trail of Tears, 1830’s, it was basically illegal to live in these states if one was an Indian, and the legislature mandated that everyone was to be one of two races — black or white. Whether one got to pick which one is a doubtful matter in my opinion.
As people migrated into the Midwest there was a practice of wink and nod where mixed blooded people came into positions of local authority and spearheaded more lenient assignations as to who was to get full citizenship or not (e.g. listed as ‘white.’)January 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35086
So which names in what places were listed as Indian? Is this a cluster? Are we still talking about Goinstown?January 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35087
My grandmother on the 1930 census under joe henry richardson is listed as indian. Her parents and g-parents are listed as mulotto. that would be peter and mazariah hickman. Thomas said all on his fathers side is listed as indian I think they come from the same area. I think they were goins. I also think his g-grandmother emma was my grannys (jennie) sister I think it probably would be a cluster. debraJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35088
Linda on the 1920 census the household was listed white. debraJanuary 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35089
Who is it who’s written about the Goinstown Indians? It’s on here somewhere, and out there on the internet somewhere, but my memory’s not serving at the moment.
No time to search. But we need to post that here. We should have permanents link on the sidebar to books like that.January 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35090
Louise Nunn: “A Comparison of the Social Situation of Two Isolated Indian Groups in Northern North Carolina.” (1937) Masters Thesis You can find this on microfilm in the NC Collection at UNC Chapel Hill. It compares the Sappony of Person County and the Goinstown Settlement, with short interviews from their neighbors and some of the people themselves. Specifically Will Harris, who ran the store in Goinstown, is discussed at some length as a community leader ( who apparently advocated white status for the community), and the Kimmons family, who seem to have been the cause of the controversy in the school in the community.
On some of the Birth/death certificates in Rockingham the race is given as “Mongolian”, which was interesting. I have been told, for what it is worth, that the community was generally displeased with the 1930 listing on the census as “Indian”; they were, for the most part, pushing for white status at the time.January 18, 2006 at 2:48 pm #35091
Hi everyone, The old indian school is still there. very dilapidated. but is still owned by a goins. He has old papers of students probably old report cards. It’s a shame that some one doesn’t take interest in it to restore it. The people in this area at the time married 1st cousins so we were all related in some way or another. I have always lived in greensboro so I never really knew all the folks around there.I was a kid and not really interested. I am now and it has really been hard to find anything out. I was told no one fromthat area ever really wanted to talk about the indian heritage and to this day when i asked my aunt who is 93 the answer was I don’t know. I think I am doing this ancestry study,because I am 57 and I want to belong somewhere. I miss the family reunions I just miss belonging. debra
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