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  • #2944

    Wachinika
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    I began researching the War of 1812 this morning after finding this excellent page here with Saponi names among Indian captives of the war being released.

    http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352

    I found this picture of John Tutela. I have yet to check the sources and other Tutelo Vest lists in his article I’ve referenced further below. Has anyone here known of him before? What do you think of the his head wear? Were Tutelo or Six Nations known to wear this style? It seems similar to Cherokee head wear.

    Another reference to John Tutela is found here:

    An Odyssey among the Iroquois: A History of Tutelo Relations in New York

    JAY HANSFORD C. VEST

    The American Indian Quarterly 29 no1/2 124-55 Wint/Spr 2005

    University of Nebraska Press

    Foot Note 69. In the mid-nineteenth century, two Tutelo chiefs are referenced among the Six Nations at the Oshweken Council on the Grand River Reserve, Ontario. One was known as John Tutela or Gohe, “panther” in Cayuga. He died March 6, 1888, at one hundred years old. See Hale, “Tutelo Tribe, 9-10; and in the Brantford Weekly Expositor, 1888: 6. Second, there was John Key, Nastabon, “One Step,” who died March 23, 1898, at seventy-eight years old. See Douglas F. Reiville, History of Brant County (Brantford, Ont.: Hurly Printing Company, 1920), 349-50

    Footnote to this paragraph of the article:

    While we have earlier observed the constitutional foundation for admitting tribes into the Great League, a review here is appropriate for assessing the nation status of these “additional braces” within the Ho-denosaunee. The tenets for sovereign adoption of a conquered tribe are given as threefold: first, “when a nation shall embrace the Great White roots, then two, “welcome and take her, by the arm and seat her in a place of council,” and three, “she will add a brace of leaning pole to the Longhouse and thus strengthen the edifice of Reason and Peace.”(FN67) It would seem that by these tenets of admission there remained standards for sovereign inclusion and national suzerainty for the tribes admitted to the Longhouse. Although the Hodenosaunee were never referred to as the Seven, Eight, or Nine Nations following the admission of other nations, including the Tuteloes and Nanticokes, it was referenced as the Six Nations after the Tuscaroras were added to the Longhouse in 1714.(FN68) As the Tuscaroras were installed in Iroquoia, they were given lands amid the Oneidas situated near these “younger brothers” of the Longhouse. The Tuscaroras subsequently were seated within the council on the side of the “younger brothers” that was reserved for the Oneidas and Cayugas. Nonetheless, the council of fifty sachems was not expanded to include the Tuscarora nation chiefs. As a result, scholars account the Tuscaroras as a national sovereign within the Longhouse, but conclude that they had no voice within the council. When scholars, however, review the standing of the Tuteloes and other “Longhouse Props,” they acknowledge neither Nation status nor council representation for these adopted tribes. Given that Tutelo chiefs were subsequently seated within the council and accorded a voice in deliberation at Oshweken on the Six Nations Reserve near Brantford, Ontario, during the nineteenth century, there is room to consider an alternative conclusion regarding the sovereign status of adopted nations within the Hodenosaunee.(FN69)

    [I]Studio portrait of the surviving Six Nations warriors who fought with the British in the War of 1812. (Right to left): Sakawaraton a.k.a. John Smoke Johnson (born ca. 1792); John Tutela (born ca. 1797) and Young Warner (born ca. 1794). Taken in Brantford, Ontario./I]

    Source Library and Archives Canada / C-085127 In the Public Domain

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812#American_northwest.2C_1813 War Of 1812 Northwest Link

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Six_Nations_survivors_of_War_of_1812.jpg Portrait Link

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    #25834

    techteach
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    Thanks for publishing this, Wachinika. Warner is a surname I regularly run into during genealogy too.

    Techteach

    #25838

    PappyDick
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    I referenced an 1870 photo of the “last” Tutelo, Nikonha, a few days ago. He was 106 years old. There wasn’t any indication that he was a chief, but he was Hale’s informant in trying to capture some of the Tutelo language. I’ll paste it in, if I can. Otherwise, it appears at the following url:

    http://www.victorianvilla.com/sims-mitchell/local/native/redis.htm

    http://www.saponitown.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=151&stc=1&d=1176669793

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    #25863

    JeffDB
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    What a GREAT photo! Joh looks 2 of my Mom’s brothers a lot! Thanks, I love seeing these old Blackfoot photos!!! Jeff in STL

    #25864

    JeffDB
    Participant

    I’m sorry, I meant to put John looks like 2 of my Moms brothers.

    #25869

    Wachinika
    Participant

    I feel the same way, Jeff. I first saw the photo of Nikonha (Tutelo name, Washinga according to Hale), some months ago. I wept and put the open picture on my desktop because he reminds me so much of my late Father as he aged and my own image in the mirror.

    It’s also interesting how the three men in the first photo look very different from one another and my Father and your Uncles with a family story of Blackfoot only resemble the Tutelo people in the photos.

    I relate this to how quite a few years ago the mixed ancestors of Thomas Jefferson revealed themselves and after all these generations the living people still look so much like him. While I’m aware nothing is proven anywhere, these experiences speak to whatever drives us in our quest here.

    #25871

    Wachinika
    Participant

    A Tutelo Inquiry: The Ethnohistory of Chief Samuel Johns’s Correspondence with Dr. Frank G. Speck

    JAY HANSFORD C. VEST

    American Indian Culture and Research Journal 30 no2 63-84 2006

    ©The magazine publisher is the copyright holder of this article

    Also available through WilsonWeb

    Accompanied by the government interpreter, Chief George Johnson, Hale sought out Nikonha and supplied the following description.

    His appearance, as we first saw him, basking in the sunshine on the slope before his cabin, confirmed the reports, which I had heard, both of his great age and of his marked intelligence. “A wrinkled, smiling countenance, a high forehead, half-shut eyes, white hair, a scanty, stubby beard, fingers bent with age like a bird’s claws” is the description recorded in my note-book. Not only in physiognomy, but also in demeanor and character, he differed strikingly from the grave and composed Iroquois among whom he dwelt. The lively, mirthful disposition of his race survived in full force in its latest member. His replies to our inquiries were intermingled with many jacose remarks, and much good-humored laughter.(FN38)

    This paragraph is offered to members of this forum for history research. This is a small portion of the information it provides on Nakonha. I highly recommend obtaining and reading the full article.

    More about Professor Jay Hansford C. Vest, of Saponi-Monacan heritage

    http://www.uncp.edu/admissions/spotlight/spotlight.asp?iSpotID=220

    #25874

    Tom
    Participant

    Click on both images and compoare Nikona with John Smoke, they have a look that they could be closely related.

    Aswell they remind me of some of my family, Nikona and some of our family have the same facial profile.

    #25875

    techteach
    Moderator

    He looks a lot like a picture that Deb gave me of our gg-something uncle too.

    Techteach

    #25877

    PappyDick
    Participant

    Some of my relatives and I think Nikonha looks like our ancestors who were 35-45 years younger than he was. I’ll try to attach photos of Jonathan Hulan and Thomas Huling — who were brothers, but I’m using the spelling their respective descendants settled on. Jonathan was my gr-gr-grandfather.

    http://www.saponitown.com/forum/images/attach/jpg.gif

    http://www.saponitown.com/forum/images/attach/jpg.gif

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    #25878

    Wachinika
    Participant

    Quote from Vest article post #7

    “The lively, mirthful disposition of his race survived in full force in its latest member. His replies to our inquiries were intermingled with many jocose remarks, and much good-humored laughter.”

    This is the distinguishing characteristic of my father’s immediate family. They were always smiling, cheerful, teasing, and very helpful to everyone. But they’d turn stern in an instant at an injustice. I grew up with 2 of his brothers and his sister very close by. My father was the nicest person I’ve known in my whole life. Their mother died when I was not yet two. They’d all say she was the nicest person you could ever meet. The Derflingers that married into the Blackfoot family story were from the Black Forest in Germany near the Rhine River and it is said they probably migrated there from Alsace in present day France. They speak a mixture of German and French in the area. I read an account of Baden Baden, Germany in the Black Forest from the 1930’s saying that the people there were exceptionally friendly,cheerful, and unhurried. I think this personality can annoy people who don’t possess it. Oh well.

    I think it was in this same article by Vest I read Nikonha was a veteran of the War of 1812 also, like Chief John Tutela.

    Yah, Tom, they do especially when compared to the other two men in the first photo.

    PappyDick, I do see especially in the 2nd photo that certain spark coming through.

    This is my family who all grew more plump with age.

    http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=24488#post24488

    Here’s sammarrog’s father and his mother from her post here. I think her Dad has that spark too. I see all have a warm closed mouth smile.

    http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l7…q/scan0019.jpg

    #25880

    techteach
    Moderator

    Boy, Pappydick, the nose on the second picture looks like what my family calls “the Ralston nose.” Several aunts have noses like his.

    Techteach

    #25887

    Tom
    Participant

    Well I have several questions here, is John Tutela, of Tutelo heritage?

    We have discussed clothing here many times and in this pic’ these 3 Warriors are dressed just like thier white friends of the day, however if you look at what they are holding from left ot right it is; a pipe tomahawk in John Smoke’s hand; John Tutela is holding a large knife? and wearing a finger woven sash and Yough Warner has what could either be a pistal scabbard or knife case but also what is interesting is that he has a split feather hair “roach” hanging from his shoulder strap, from maybe a bag, the roach if that is what it is or it could be a split feather pendant used to decorate the strap or bag top. It’s hard to make out even when blown up but my guess is that it is a small wooden shaft with a leather tye at the end and split feathers hanging from the end, something that a warrior would have worn.

    A really neat pic’!

    #25895

    sammarroq
    Participant

    Wachinika wrote: Quote from Vest article post #7

    “The lively, mirthful disposition of his race survived in full force in its latest member. His replies to our inquiries were intermingled with many jocose remarks, and much good-humored laughter.”

    This is the distinguishing characteristic of my father’s immediate family. They were always smiling, cheerful, teasing, and very helpful to everyone. But they’d turn stern in an instant at an injustice. I grew up with 2 of his brothers and his sister very close by. My father was the nicest person I’ve known in my whole life. Their mother died when I was not yet two. They’d all say she was the nicest person you could ever meet. The Derflingers that married into the Blackfoot family story were from the Black Forest in Germany near the Rhine River and it is said they probably migrated there from Alsace in present day France. They speak a mixture of German and French in the area. I read an account of Baden Baden, Germany in the Black Forest from the 1930’s saying that the people there were exceptionally friendly,cheerful, and unhurried. I think this personality can annoy people who don’t possess it. Oh well.

    I think it was in this same article by Vest I read Nikonha was a veteran of the War of 1812 also, like Chief John Tutela.

    Yah, Tom, they do especially when compared to the other two men in the first photo.

    PappyDick, I do see especially in the 2nd photo that certain spark coming through.

    This is my family who all grew more plump with age.

    http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=24488#post24488

    Here’s sammarrog’s father and his mother from her post here. I think her Dad has that spark too. I see all have a warm closed mouth smile.

    http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l7…q/scan0019.jpg

    Wachinika,

    Thanks for sharing your family photos, I don’t know how I missed them. I can see where you get your looks…the women in your phots are beautiful and the men are handsome. I have to say the same of my father…very handsome.

    I will post the photo as it did not come through.

    Blessings,

    Shirley

    http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/samarroq/scan0019.jpg

    #25896

    sammarroq
    Participant

    PappyDick wrote: Some of my relatives and I think Nikonha looks like our ancestors who were 35-45 years younger than he was. I’ll try to attach photos of Jonathan Hulan and Thomas Huling — who were brothers, but I’m using the spelling their respective descendants settled on. Jonathan was my gr-gr-grandfather.

    http://www.saponitown.com/forum/images/attach/jpg.gif

    http://www.saponitown.com/forum/images/attach/jpg.gif

    Pappy,

    Thanks for sharing your family photos…is your Hulan name from NC? I have seen this name before. I will have to check it out…..:)

    Shirley

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