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April 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #951
I am a reasonably experienced genealogist and have been researching my family for many years now. My grandmother was adopted and although we were certain she was native american by looks and color, we had no proof. Recently I came into possession of her adoption papers and have successfully traced her family… the dilemma is that I keep hearing “native American” and “Blackfoot” from her birth family. Here are the names:
Dawes/Daws, Williams, Flood, Robbins, Vick or Vic, Walston, and Outlaw. Have you all heard any of these names in your research? Am I looking in the wrong “tribe”?
MelissaApril 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #9584techteachModerator
I have a couple of Williams. Had you said Williamson, I would have said that I have a lot of them. Other names I am not sure. Others will post and tell you if they have these names.
TechteachApril 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #9587
Is her family from around Robeson county? I’m pretty sure I’ve heard the name Outlaw among the Lumbee.
Rick Haithcock’s list shows Williams as possibly Saponi or Creek, Flood as possibly Meherrin, Robbins possibly Chowan. His list is not to be taken as documentation or proof, but as leads he’s gleaned in all his research, names he’s seen in various contexts and what he’s surmised about them. Have you read the article I have off the main page? http://www.saponitown.com/blackfoot.htm That’s most of what I’ve found out and surmised about NC Blackfoot.April 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #9589
Wow! Thank you all. Looks like I have A LOT of research to do!
MelissaApril 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #9590BushtickParticipant
I am Collins’s on my Father’s side ( Griffin Collins line) and Mullins’s on my Mother’s side ( Riley Mullins line) of NC, TN, KY and VA. Anyway, my Mother used to say when I was young and we would talk about our ancestry, that we were related to Outlaws! And she talked like it was a surname and not in reference of shady behavior. She would say something like…………we are related to Crafts, Schoolcrafts, Hubbards, Moores and Outlaws. She has Alzheimer’s and isn’t capable of any questions now. However, I have never located any relatives with that surname. With a family oral history of both Blackfoot and Cherokee , your mention of a NA Outlaw surname is interesting to me.
Linda or Melissa, do you have anymore info about that last name?
BushtickApril 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #9591Brenda Collins DillonParticipant
I am on the “PERRY” surname list and have been communicating with a lady who is from the Griffin Collins line. You might be interested in contacting her. It seems she also has a Perry line but it is not the same as mine. A Nathan Perry is listed as living next door to Griffin Collins Sr. in Grainger Co. TN.
Her name is Sheri Kelly and she can be reached at:
We have been emailing about my John W. Collins as it was Griffin Collins that signed the marriage bond for John W.Collins and Lydia Toner in 1821. My thoughts are that Griffin and Meredith were probably brothers. Meredith born 1760 and Griffin b. 1774.April 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #9592DreaminghawkModerator
There are currently 12 OUTLAW families with landlines in Person Co and 16 families in Durham Co.April 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #9596Bill ChildsModerator
Long time ago I ran across Dawes, Williams & Outlaw families (separate lines) with Ndn ancestors. (Some of the Outlaw’s are indexed as “Outland” due to writing the ending “w” with a swirl on the end.)
That particular Outlaw line was in late 1700s W. Tenn. but was originally from early 1700s NC (Iredell-Yadkin-Stokes Co. area, if I recall correctly) and related to Reddiks of NC & Southern Va. They surmised they were Cherokee but it didn’t pan out that way – I thought they were maybe E. Sioux but never found anything specific to any particular group. Your Blackfoot I.D. should provide an important clue.
At your earliest traced date/place, where were your people?
BillApril 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #9598
My earliest Outlaw is found abt 1770 near Tyan Cokey Swamp later in the Roanoke Island area, and died abt 1880 in Edgecombe Co.. Her name was Susannah Outlaw sometimes spelled outley, married an Ephraim Daws ( the name changed to dawes). This whole family is very dark skinned and fine featured in the pictures I have. The family mentioned Blackfoot, so I assume the darkness comes from native american and not african american. I am even considering native american and african american mix marrying into anglos as they are SO dark. It’s just at the theory stage now 🙂April 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #9600
Any chance we can see those pictures? I’d be curious.April 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #9601
Sure, I tried to upload an attachment earlier and couldn’t. want me to send them email to you?
MelissaApril 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #9602April 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #9605DreaminghawkModerator
Looking at my cemetery surveys……… No OUTLAWs at the white churches but there are OUTLAWs buried at Clegg’s Chapel Bapt, which is traditionally a black/indian church here on the Flat river in Person co., NCApril 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #9606
Who’s the pretty lady from Scottsville, VA? I tried to find Scottsville on the atlas, but couldn’t. Look close, she has an epicanthic folds over her eyes, found in Asian and Native American people. (An epicathic fold is when there’s no crease above the eye.)
You could cast her to play Eric Schweig’s sister. This side of your family looks like a lot of modern VA Indians. I’ll post some more of your pics.April 30, 2004 at 12:21 am #9607
That was sent to me by a Dawes researcher. It is unknown who she is, but he says she is a dawes. I have no idea where that is either. Post all you want, maybe someone will see what I don’t!
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