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March 20, 2023 at 9:00 pm #67075
Howdy,
It’s A great day here in TEXAS! Clear sky, crisp wind, neighbors talking about the torrential rain, horrendous wind, and almost a hun’drent tur’nad’urs we just lived through; you know, typical for North TEXAS.I’m writing this because I ran across some info, that if true, is awesome, as it seems incorrect, in that the feller typed in (Cherokee) for just about every Indian, instead of (Powhaton) where I believe it should identify. However, if it looks like I’m joking, I didn’t make this line up!
I do remember an indian who liked a man so much he added his name to his own! Arroyha Winigum could be that name, I think that is the name I read about. Also, there is a dispute that “Amy Winigum did marry a Paul, just not Paul Bunch.” (I know Tomehawk,I know 🙂
Making note of all that it would seem as if this line makes more sense to me, (by following Indian legend instead of educated guesses by educated genealogists,) than lots of others I’ve read over the years. Remember, this ain’t my work. Oh, and I ain’t found “John Henry Jeremiah Bunch” yet, but I have found three “Jeremiah Bunch” in searching across the net. Yeah, you bet I’m workin’ on this stuff, cause it would prove the writing in the books, “Parks And Bunch, The Way West”. And the legend handed down by my Ancestors.
“There is a legend among descendants of Paul and his brother John Bunch, that they are somehow related to Pocahontas, the Pohattan Indian princess who married John Rolfe.
(Park Bunch families by Alice Crandall Park and Mrs. Garland King, Tennessee State Library.)”(An Opinion) (est., btw., could have, might, perhaps, lived next door to:)
“A common mistake I have come across on the internet is that this elder Paul Bunch was married to an Amy Winigum of Orangeburg, SC about the year 1748. I have not looked for a marriage certificate for this marriage but I am sure it is true that Amy Winigum did marry a man named Paul Bunch. The problem is that people on the internet tend to change dates to try to make things fit, which is not a good practice.”
IF you believe this is wrong, or have other records, PLEASE help by straightening me out!(An Opinion)
my direct descendant Paul Bunch married Amy Willigum, a Cherokee Indian from NC. She is descended from Willigum, a Cherokee chief. Willigum took the English surname Winningham later.(Assumptions are allowed and good in this endeavor, correct?)
Of the fewer than one hundred African men who resided in Virginia before 1640, John Punch is the only man who bears a surname similar to Bunch. John Punch was an adult male living in 1 In this section, names will be spelled out as they appear in the text of the document cited when the original records are quoted. There was no standardized spelling during this time period, so it is not unusual to find surnames or the names of places spelled many different ways, even in the same document.(This is totally an Assumption. X 2!)
“The children of John Bunch III freely married neighboring white families.” “This indicates that the children of John Bunch III must have been great-great grandchildren of the immigrant from Africa. Chronology does not allow them to be a generation closer. It is concluded from these facts that John Bunch I was son of a white woman by an African immigrant.”(I can only describe this as pert near dreaming.)
“If Hugh Gwynn had refused to grant John Punch his freedom at the end of his term of service, it could have provided him motive to seek freedom elsewhere, which he sought in 1640.”(So, one might reason? One Surname + One Surname X An Arbitrary sized Radius = *1Amy?)
“Given the extreme rarity of the surname Bunch in England and Scotland one might reason that having traced one white immigrant named John Bunch to his death (headright of Gervase Dodson) 14 would make it less likely there were two more unrelated Bunch men living in the same thirty mile radius in 1659.”Staying Safe from Cataclysmic Events
“And, in general, extrapolations are normally avoided altogether in science, or used only with great caution.”(In a world where anything is possible, then nothing is impossible.)
“PAUL BUNCH born possibly about 1652–58, married by 1679, and died shortly before 16 November 1727”Capt. John Thomas Rolfe
1585–1622
BIRTH 6 MAY 1585 • Hecham, Norfolkshire, Watkins, England
DEATH 22 MAR 1622 • Jamestown, James City, Virginia, United StateScent Flower 1480-1525
Wife of Capt. John Thomas Rolfe
Scent Flower Powhatan Cornstalk Running Stream 1517-1600
Daughter of Scent Flower
Scent Flower 1517-1600
Daughter of Scent Flower Powhatan Cornstalk Running Stream
Wahunsonacock (Emperor Wahunsomacock Powhattan Powhatan CHIEF HILL POWHATAN) Powhatan Wahunsonacock Kocoum Powhatan (Patawomeck Tribe) 1545-1618
Son of Scent Flower
Chief Japasaw (1), aka Opechancanough Powhatan I Oppasus 1590-1620
Son of Wahunsonacock (Emperor Wahunsomacock Powhattan Powhatan CHIEF HILL POWHATAN) Powhatan Wahunsonacock Kocoum Powhatan (Patawomeck Tribe)
Father (Chief of Cherokee Nation) Whipsewansson Wahanganoche of Arroyha Winigum 1620-1664
Son of Chief Japasaw (1), aka Opechancanough Powhatan I Oppasus
Paul (Native American) Winigum 1650-1700
Son of Father (Chief of Cherokee Nation) Whipsewansson Wahanganoche of Arroyha Winigum
Amy (Cherokee) Winigum Bunch 1668-1748 (Wife of my Paul Bunch est 1652,(1673-1727)
Daughter of Paul (Native American) Winigum
John Henry Jeremiah Bunch (Cherokee) 1690-1775
Son of Amy (Cherokee) Winigum Bunch
Sarah Allison Bunch 1690-1740
Daughter of John Henry Jeremiah Bunch (Cherokee)
Maj. John Bunch Holder 1716-1816
Son of Sarah Allison Bunch
Lt. Jesse Elihu Holder Sr 1750-1802
Son of Maj. John Bunch Holder
John Harbard(Thomas? Ethridge) Holder 1783-1834
Son of Lt. Jesse Elihu Holder Sr
Ann Maria Holden(Holder) 1809-1858
Daughter of John Harbard(Thomas? Ethridge) Holder
Cornelia Angela Kimball 1834-1941
Daughter of Ann Maria Holden(Holder)
Howard Milton Boullemet 1870-1921
Son of Cornelia Angela Kimball
Mary Cornelia May Boullemet Bays 1882-1949
Daughter of Howard Milton Boullemet
Lillie May Mazie Wittman 1919-1997
Daughter of Mary Cornelia May Boullemet Bays
Raymond
You are the son of Lillie May Mazie Wittman
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There are tons of other similar lines like this one posted above;My Blog with pics.
https://melungeonbunchsaponi.blogspot.comLater,
Dan Bunch (Dirty Water Dan)
TEXASSeptember 19, 2023 at 11:42 pm #67194I scanned some of your blog. I descend from Paul Bunch the elder and his son in law Thomas Holder, who was mentioned in his will in 1726. We are not related to PUNCH. Punch was a surname that did continue in slave records in that area for quite a while. Obama stole their legacy just so he could boost his ratings among the people. Slave records are hard to find in that respect, but in wills they are mentioned as being bequeathed with the name Punch, first and surname. Also in that area were other people named Bunch that very well could have been the parent of the Bunch legacy. Joanne Puzzello goes into detail in her blog of these Bunch people that were ignored by ancestry.com. There was no need to find a morphed name to make things fit.
I have been in contact with other Bunch descendants that carry the EM2 haplotype and they are related to other EM2 Bunch men in England who have a very lengthy genealogical chart in England going back a very long time. The African connection is actually very old. Britain was settled by many African men from the Roman Empire before the fall of Rome.
A Bunch cousin in Indiana has been pulling up data that certainly has the narrative changed. He is most closely matches to descendants of Henry Bunch and Vardy Collins and is a descendant of Micajah Bunch, the King of the Melungeon’s. His overseas matches are mostly Saudi Arabian, a common source of EM2 men. He is also connected to Egypt. My own DNA carries Coptic Egyptian and North African according to 23 and me.
What has really confused him is the Barbados Bunch connection. They have old Spanish ties to Spain. Also his ancient match to an EM2 Afro-Mayan Monk who died in Mexico City in the late 1500 to the very early 1600s has him scratching his head. Em2 is actually very common among the Mayan.
The Bunch family does have a very old oral tradition of being related to the paramount Powhatan chief. It was recorded or copied by Jack Goins.
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