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REDMAN / KERSEY / CASEMAN / HARVEY
I AM LOOKING FOR:
NANCY REDMAN
b. ca 1830 KY
d. Tippecanoe Co., Shelby Twp, Indiana ???
daughter:
CATHERINE REDMON
b. ca. 1850 KY
m. 11-10-1870 Tippecanoe Co., Indiana
to: GEORGE (EDWARD) KERSEY
b. 10-15-1834 KY
d. 4-6-1922 ??? Pollard KY ?????
Possible Children:
George / James / Betty / Rose
HARRY KERSEY
b. ca. 1875
m. FRANCES HARVEY
b. 11-29-1889 ?
d. Feb. 1978 ?
SS# 308-34-1209
Parents of George Kersey (Keirsey)
ABSOLEM KERSEY
REBECCA CASEMAN
b. ca. 1804-1807
m. ca. 5-22-1827 ??? KY
PLEASE EMAIL ME IF YOU KNOW THESE FAMILIES, OR IF YOU ARE RELATED.
Brenda
Blood Line Genealogy Service
Genealogist/Historian
BLOOD LINE GENEALOGY SERVICES
http://www.wea-indian-tribe.com/genealogy/bloodlinegenserv.htm
Welcome, Brenda,
The 1870 Tippecanoe Co., Ind, Shelby Twp Census, p.313B, shows Nancy Redman as 66 yrs old, b.Ky. Catharine is shown as 20, b.Ky. There were no Redmans there prior to 1870.
The Catherine Redmon who marr’d George Kersey Nov 10, 1870 in Tippecanoe Co was the sister of the “Polly” (Mary) Redmon who marr’d John W. Ratliff on the same day, same place, per Tippecanoe Co Marr.Records, p.109, Book C-13.
Per census records for
1850 Spencer Co, Ky, Dist. 1, p.84B,
1860 Jennings Co., Ind, Vernon Twp, p.149,
1870 Tippecanoe Co., Ind, Shelby Twp, p. 313B,
Both were the daughters of Thomas S. Redman and Nancy Gassaway, who marr’d 22 Nov 1822 in then Shelby Co., Ky, which since 1824 is Spencer Co., Ky. They moved to Jennings Co., Ind in 1859 or early 1860, and are on that census. In the 1860s, they moved to Tippecanoe Co.
You’ll find her Gassaways in 1820 Shelby and 1830 Spencer Co., Ky.
Do you have access to Ky & Ind census records to look these up?
If not, let me know and I’ll post the data.
Bill
Aya Bill,
Thank you so much ! These Kersey’s are proving to be quite good at hiding. LOL My client had the wrong mother for Catherine Redmon and no father listed. I am working on about 5 names here with no definate dates. Guess I love a challenge 😮
Anyway your info had proved very helpful, and I thank you. I have access to census online, and have already found the Polly Redmon who you are refering to but had no idea if they were related or not.
Do you happen to know if these Redmon’s were in any way Native American Indian ? My client thinks someone in her family was, as this has been part of her family oral history.
Also, do you happen to have any info on this Kersey family ? I am almost sure that the father of George Kersey who married Catherine Redmon is wrong as well as the dates of his parents.
I’ve had a few leads that suggest that the Kersey family may have been immigrants from Germany originally. Also might have been spelled KIERSEY / McKERSEY.
Also, if you have anything readily available on this family you may send it to me via my email BloodLNGenealogy@aol.com
Are you by chance related to this family ? IF not do you know anyone who is? My client is very eager to corrospond with her family.
Again, Thank you so much. If I may return the favor in some way let me know.
Brenda
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Welcome, Brenda,
The 1870 Tippecanoe Co., Ind, Shelby Twp Census, p.313B, shows Nancy Redman as 66 yrs old, b.Ky. Catharine is shown as 20, b.Ky. There were no Redmans there prior to 1870.
The Catherine Redmon who marr’d George Kersey Nov 10, 1870 in Tippecanoe Co was the sister of the “Polly” (Mary) Redmon who marr’d John W. Ratliff on the same day, same place, per Tippecanoe Co Marr.Records, p.109, Book C-13.
Per census records for
1850 Spencer Co, Ky, Dist. 1, p.84B,
1860 Jennings Co., Ind, Vernon Twp, p.149,
1870 Tippecanoe Co., Ind, Shelby Twp, p. 313B,
Both were the daughters of Thomas S. Redman and Nancy Gassaway, who marr’d 22 Nov 1822 in then Shelby Co., Ky, which since 1824 is Spencer Co., Ky. They moved to Jennings Co., Ind in 1859 or early 1860, and are on that census. In the 1860s, they moved to Tippecanoe Co.
You’ll find her Gassaways in 1820 Shelby and 1830 Spencer Co., Ky.
Do you have access to Ky & Ind census records to look these up?
If not, let me know and I’ll post the data.
Bill
Brenda:
Welcome. If you run across any Rhoads/Rhodes in your research, let me know. I know that there are a lot of them when looking at native ancestors. This one was Joseph, born in 1815 near Fort Wayne, IN, father to my gggrandmother, Eleanor Elizabeth Rhoads. I only suspect native ancestry here because they intermarried with those that I know were native and because of the movements of the family.
Cindy
Cindy,
Can you please email me your reply below at my personal email of BloodLNGenealogy@aol.com ?
Then I can save it and look for your Rhodes later.
thanks
Brenda
Brenda:
Welcome. If you run across any Rhoads/Rhodes in your research, let me know. I know that there are a lot of them when looking at native ancestors. This one was Joseph, born in 1815 near Fort Wayne, IN, father to my gggrandmother, Eleanor Elizabeth Rhoads. I only suspect native ancestry here because they intermarried with those that I know were native and because of the movements of the family.
Cindy
We have Keasey’s in our family, I know from photographs to be Indian blooded people. I’ve heard from a Kentucky family in which Keasey/Kerzy/Kersey/Kearsey were all variants of the same name, i.e. they were all cousins. That family had the Blackfoot ID, as does mine. I have the KY counties these Kerseys came from buried somewhere in my email pile.
THANK YOU LINDA. IF YOU COULD BE SO KIND AS TO CHECK TO SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THE kERSEY’S THAT I POSTED IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
THE LADY I AM WORKING FOR WANTS TO PROVE HER INDIAN ANCESTRY BEFORE HER GREAT UNCLE DIES, WHO IS THE LAST PERSON IN HER FAMILY BESIDES HERSELF.
THANKS,
BRENDA
If she’s Eastern Blackfoot it will be hard to “prove,” since we haven’t yet “proven” who they are, not in any way that would be considered “official.” If she’s very lucky she will find a clear trail to a recognized tribe for one of her lines, which will be very good for us, since it will help to validate the Blackfoot ID. Although technically, virtually none of the descendants of southeastern tribes are federally recognized.
I don’t mean to be discouraging, I’m just trying to explain what can be expected. If she can think of it as proving it to herself, because of the incidence of other people with the same story with the same names and/or locations, then I think she can be satisfied.
I did a search on my emails and found the one I was referring to, in which a lady told me about an area near her family’s county in KY where there are a number of variants on the Kersey name. The variants she’s familiar with are “Kazee, Keesee, Kesee, Kerze” and the location is the tri-state area surrounding Martin County (originally Lawrence County), KY .
Her ancestor was from from Calf Creek at Inez in that county.
Bill, if you could snoop around that area for those variants, I would be very, very grateful.
Sure.
Variants:
KAZEE = only one found. 1850 Greene Co., Ind
John Kazee, 3, b.Ind., living with Solomon Dixon, 26, b.Ohio; and Mary, 26, Ind. Next door is Elizabeth Dixon, 52, b.Va and on the other side is John H. Dixon, 29, b.Ind.
KERZE = two found – 1) a marriage record for 1903 Ct.
2nd) Greenup Co., Ky marriage record for 7 Aug 1862:
Henry (Heinrich) Kerze + Josephine Shopmair.
(No KERSEY/KERZEY were found in the 1790 & 1800 Kentucky Census or Tax Lists.)
KESEE, KEESEE, KEEZEE = apparently all the same family line.
Some contradictory info included on several family trees, some info can be confirmed.
Martin Co., Ky created 1870 from
Lawrence, Floyd, Pike & Johnson Counties.
Lawrence Co., Ky created 1822 from
Floyd & Greenup Counties.
1810 Floyd Co., Ky Fed. Census:
Richard KEZEE = 13010 – 01101 – 0 – 0.
1 male under 10.
3 males 10 to 16.
1 male 26 to 44. (b.bet.1766 & 1784)
1 female 10 to 16.
1 female 16 to 25.
1 female over 45.
Benjamin KEZEE = 10100 – 30100 – 0 – 0.
1 male under 10.
1 male 16 to 25.
3 females under 10.
1 female 16 to 25.
Per the most “prolific” of the Kezee/Keezee researchers, Jennifer Williams = jcw500@excite.com (tree last updated Oct 25, 2003).
There are some contradictions here also and no clear proof of her origin statements, but here’s what’s on her site.
“According to tradition the name Kazee, Kozee, Keesee, Kesee, Keezee, Kezee and Kissee all originated with a French Huguenot named Jacques La Caze. He came to this country from either France or England about 1700 and settled at MANOCANTOWN, Henrico County about 20 miles up the James River from present Richmond, Va. Jacques was 31 years of age and unmarried. He was elected one of 12 Vestrymen of the parrish of Manocantown and served for several years.
“He anglicized the name by dropping the “La” and pronouncing the “Caze” as 2 syllables and spelled Keesee, Keysee or Keezee. Subsequently the name has also been spelled Kesee, Kissee, Kazee and Kozee……..
“The Keezee’s movement westward started as early as the late 1700’s and Richard Keezee is the first (of the) family to cross the Allegheny Mountains in the move West.
“It is not known exactly where Richard Keezee crossed the Allegheny Mountains, but he eventually came into the Cumberland plateau…….. He crossed through what is now West Virginia and on to Eastern Kentucky.
“Richard is considered the progenitor of a large family in Eastern Kentucky. He was born in Virginia in Pittsylvania County about 1760, which would make him 16-17 years old at the time of the Revolutionary War.
“In the early 1800’s he, his family and slaves (none recorded on 1810 census) settled near the mouth of Pigeon Creek on the Tug Fork of the Big Sandy River in what was then Cabell County, Virginia. It is recognized that Richard was the host of settlers who came in via the Great Kanawha River and settled in Cabell County in early 1800.
“….. he sold (land in Cabell Co) in 1812 to Richard Ferrell, John Stafford, Vincent Grant, Elijah Donothan, Ferrell Ivins and others. ……was a resident of Floyd County, Ky in 1810. He later settled on Hoods Fork of Big Blaine, which later became the dividing line of Lawrence and Johnson in Eastern Kentucky. (Johnson Co. was formed out of Lawrence County in April 1844.)”
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On another listing by Jennifer Williams she states “George Keezee is considered the progenator of this line” in the US, not Jacques, unless they are one and the same. Maybe George was the first to spell his name this way… ? but it’s not clear what she meant.
The Williams tree shows Richard’s father as George Keezee, d.1742 King Co., Va. (no such county – might be King William or King George Counties)
She shows Richard b.abt.1760 but his father George dying about 1742. George’s spouse is “unknown”.
Tree lists Richard’s wife as Ann FISH/FISK and children:
Info on their children from various sites on ancestry world tree:
(Richard was probably married 2nd to Salley__?__.)
Dorina, b.1786 Va, m’d Henry BEAR.
Charles, b.abt. 1790.
Elias, b.1798 m’d 1819 Mary Curnutte (prob. CANUTT) = 8 children.
Jesse, b.1803 Va, d.Carter Co., Ky; m’d Sarah Eliz. KITCHEN
Nancy, b.abt 1805.
Elizabeth, b.abt 1807; m’d 1822 Allen SPARKS, b.abt. 1795. (This from Charles Blankenship, chuck5373@comcast.net.
Avery, b.?
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There is a John Kesee in 1782 Pittsylvania Co., Va., then nothing there until 1860 census listing of Avery, John, Salley, John (2nd) & George W. Kesee.
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There is one Booker Keezee, b.1819 Logan Co., Va; d.1865 Pike Co., Ky; m’d abt 1840 Mary Ann LOWE, b. 1818 Patrick Co., Va, who named a son Richard. There was a BOOKER family in 1810 Floyd Co., Ky, maybe a lead, or not, to Salley’s maiden name – don’t know tho.
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Bill
Aya Linda & Bill,
Just read both of your messages. Will reply to Linda first.
1. My client is not out for fed or state recognization. Only to prove Indian blood so that she may share it with her Great Uncle before he passes this world.
We realize the feat here will be difficult, but we shall all try none the less. 🙂 So yes, she will be satisifed if we an prove it to ourselves, with you help, which is greatly appreciated.
If you think you may be related to my client Linda, I will ask her if I may send you here name and email address. Let me know.
These name variations just may provide us with the clues we need to solve this mystery. We also should start looking in the PORTUGUESE – MELUNGEON lineage areas.
Thanks Linda.
2. Bill
Funny you should mention the surname of Dixon living in Green Co. Indiana with a John Kazee. Dixon is a well known Eel River Wea Indian surname. Their main village & later reservation was located at Thorntown Indiana, Boone County.
Thanks for the run down on the varient Kersey names and loctaions in KY. I’ve printed them off. 😀
“”There are some contradictions here also and no clear proof of her origin statements””, Yes, Bill, I’ve found this to be true it seems throughout on the Kersey lineages. Gurrrrrrr 😡
“”According to tradition the name…originated with a French Huguenot named Jacques La Caze.”” IF he was Huguenot then Mr. LaCaze was French. Does this story then imply that LaCaze changed his name to one of the Kersey variations ?? Yes, I see that it is………..great clue ! Thanks ! Now I can search in French documents ! 😀
“””….. he sold (land in Cabell Co) in 1812 to Richard Ferrell, John Stafford, Vincent Grant, Elijah Donothan, Ferrell Ivins and others”” HUM……..Ferrell and Stafford/Stanford are Cherokee surnames. Interesting.
“”Jennifer Williams = jcw500@excite.com (tree last updated Oct 25, 2003).”” Bill can you send this link to us spelled out with an http addy ? I can’t get it open. Thanks.
“”Tree lists Richard’s wife as Ann FISH/FISK”” Another Cherokee surname, as well as Peoria Indian.
“”Dorina, b.1786 Va, m’d Henry BEAR.” Another Indian surname….seems these Kersey’s may married Indians…….hum…sicking with their own race ???
Thanks to you both, we’ll keep working on this.
Brenda
Sorry I didn’t specify. The Jennifer Williams addy is an Email address, not a link. Her tree is posted on ancestry.com.
A considerable number of French Huguenots fled to England in the late 1600s and were recruited as colonists from there. Some of the first were settled at Manokintown. My Foree (Ford) and Trelieur (Traylor) lines also followed that path.
Yes, I know about Thorntown. He wasn’t Wea, but my 2nd grt- uncle Cal Childs, b.1842 Middletown, Jefferson Co., Ky, moved to the Thorntown area in the 1870s. His wife Emily Jane Daily was from there.
Bill
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