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  • #11091

    Bill Childs
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    There are two of them, naturally, in Iowa. Number 2 fits the bill but the first one makes it more difficult.

    1)

    1850 Jackson Co, Iowa census; Brandon Twp, pg.312B, 17 Sept.

    at 456, 456:

    Clark COOLEY, 54, m, farmer, $0, NY

    Mary, 43, Penn.

    Daniel, 23, Ohio

    Isaac, 20, Oh

    Louisa, 18, Oh

    Lavina, 16, Oh

    JAMES L., 14, Oh*******

    John, 12, Oh

    Elain, 10, Oh

    Mary, 7, Iowa

    Melissa J., 4, Iowa

    Prisilia, 2, Iowa

    Samuel W., 1, Iowa

    Mary SINKEY, 80, Penn.

    (at 453 is Eldad Cooley’s family.

    at 455 is Asa Cooley’s family.)

    2)

    1850 Dubueque Co. Iowa census; Dist (?) No. 7, pg.36, 25 Sept:

    at:

    484, 498,

    Caleb BUCKMAN, 50, m, none, $2300, N.H.

    Louisa, 48, N.H.

    Harriett, 15, Mich.

    at 484, 499 (living in same dwelling, different family-usually related.)

    James COOLEY, 21, m, farmer, $0, Ohio*******

    Elvina, 17, Mich. (probably a BUCKMAN)

    Augustis, 1, Iowa.

    ………………………..

    Bill

    #11094

    techteach
    Moderator

    Bill:

    Thanks. They are both interesting lookups. My genealogy says that William Sinkey, the Rev. War Ranger, and his wife, Mary, came to Iowa to live with a daughter. This looks like it might be that family, because of the 80-year-old living with them. I think the wife here was Mary (Polly) Sinkey. My information says that it was the daughter Jane.

    In the second one, I have seen the name Buckman as I have looked at different places.

    I searched the 1790 and early 1800 population tables of Canandaigua, NY last night. Most all of the names I see again and again, except Sinkey, Huston, and Ralston. Seems like the Cooleys hold a lot of clues. I also went to the Cooley genforum. Cooley appears to be a name found among the Cherokee and Choctaw. However, as they seem to have been a family that intermarried with and protected native Americans by leading them to places of safety, I am not surprised.

    Thanks again!

    Cindy

    #11095

    techteach
    Moderator

    Bill, Bess and anyone else interested,

    I think that I am getting a picture of what the situation was with my family coming to Iowa. Eldad Cooley is listed as a minister on the Jackson County web site, and it says in my genealogy that his family housed the family of Lydia Margaret Green Stickley for a few years. Her first two children were born there.

    Titus Cooley was a Justice of the Peace, at least that is what I guess JP means. Both these Cooleys are listed as marrying people on the Jackson County web site.

    Dennis Nelson Cooley, the Indian Commissioner, was a judge in Dubuque County, which abuts Jackson County.

    I have read in the past that the Potters had lots of ministers. On this web site, we see that. Nathan Potter was an Elder and/or minister – I think that there were two Nathan Potters. I know that one marries a DeMoss, the brother to my gggrandmother, Mary Lovina Potter. Luke Potter (Remember him, Bill?) was a JP.

    My great aunt’s book states that my ggrandparents, the Uriah Ralstons, avoided both the Potters and Sinkeys, but particularly the Sinkeys. My uncle says that it was the Indian. Deb, whose family is more Sinkey than Ralston, says her family said it was the Ralstons that were native. My family, who is more Ralston than Sinkey, brought in the native. Truth is, they both did.

    Looks like the Cooleys and Potters were much more open-minded than my ggrandparents.

    Interesting.

    Cindy

    #11096

    techteach
    Moderator

    Bill,

    The James Cooley in the picture would be the 21 year old farmer married to the Buckman. The Dubuque County historical society says he was born in Ohio in 1828 while his wife was born in Michigan. Fits.

    Cindy

    #11097

    vance hawkins
    Participant

    Cindy,

    I am happy for you.

    Do you know what denomination your ancestors were ordained in?

    Many counties have a record fof their past in books entitled “History of Such-n-Such County” and often there is a section on religion, when and where the first churches were started.

    Also I know for the Methodist Church we have books entitled “History of Methodism in Oklahoma” or “Arkansas”, or what ever state you want to look at. Every United Methodist Church also has a “Church Archivist” who keeps church records. Many of these references will have more information on your family if your ancestors were ministers.

    You probably have already thought of these things . . .

    good luck — sounds like you are making progress. Good to see that. 🙂

    vance

    #11100

    techteach
    Moderator

    Thanks, Vance. Not sure what denomination they were. Seem to have been Methodist if M.E. means Methodist. My mother was Methodist and the obits of all her family seem to be that too. Titus Cooley fired the bricks for the Methodist and Catholic churches in Cascade, IA. However, I found a mention of United Brethren too. Titus was called Brother Titus in the Cooley’s Licking County web site.

    Cindy

    #11101

    vance hawkins
    Participant

    M.E. is Methodist-Episcopal. Four pretty good sized groups united to form the United Methodist church of today — and 2 of those 4 were Methodist-Episcopal and United Brethren, with United Brethren being originally a German speaking Church. As I said, the Moravians seem to have also used the name United Brethren at some point, and they were also a German speaking church — but they claim they are not the same group that united with the Methodist when I emailed them about this, so I got confused (not a new state for me), and I still am confused over just who was who . . . I never really looked into it further and just dropped it.

    Methodist-Episcopal Church was split in two over the issue of Slavery, with them being called Methodist-Episcopal North and South depending on whether you lived in a Slave or a free state in the 1840s. They didn’t reunite until much after the Civil War.

    I’ll bet there is a book somewhere entitled “History of Methodism in Ohio”, or Iowa, or Pennsylvania, or Illinois or Indiana (or something very similar) . . .I believe there is oneor more such books for every state, with some perhaps having multiple volumes. It should mention somewhere which pastors were appointed and in what years they were appointed, to a given church or a circuit, with other bits of history probably not well documented elsewhere, some perhaps relevant to your situation, and some perhaps not.

    I have to go to work at midnight and I won’t be getting off til about noon tomorrow, but once I am rested up I can look into this more thuroughly.

    Vance

    #11102

    techteach
    Moderator

    Thanks a lot, Vance. That is really helpful information. Did the Methodists call themselves “Brother” and have “Elders?” I see this a lot also in the stuff I have been looking at.

    If I were able to go down to Jackson County, Ia, I might find the answers about the Cooleys. The web site only says that Eldad Cooley was a minister, not which church. Titus Cooley was called “Brother Titus” on the Ohio Cooley genealogy web site and JP on the Jackson County web site. Or maybe I would have to go to Dubuque County’s historical society. That was where they lived, although they were closer to the Jackson/Jones Counties than to Dubuque. They lived kind of in the corner of the three counties. In fact, Canton, one of the main towns, lies half in Jackson and half in Jones Counties.

    To complicate things, the NY Cooleys came from an area with a Quaker presence led by a woman, while the PA Ralstons came from an area where the Quakers located to teach Cornplanter’s Senecas on their reservation and almost all the locations of all branches of the family were located where the Moravians were. In fact, their web site has an interesting description of the early trails that the missionaries followed. There is a road through each location my ancestors came from.

    Cindy

    #11103

    techteach
    Moderator

    Linda,

    Here’s one for you. The Eldad Cooley that Bill found marries a Harris, Martha, I think, in Ohio.

    Cindy

    #11126

    Linda
    Keymaster

    I only have a minute, have to go pick up my youngest at the soccer game. Please remind me to read this whole thread when I get back on line for real. I don’t have much access right now. I’ve missed this whole thread.

    #11127

    Bill Childs
    Moderator

    Cindy & Linda,

    I’ll take a look at that. I haven’t taken an indepth look at Eldad and there are a lot of Harris’s in Ohio, in his time frame, I.D.’d by Haithcock – but his work needs more work.

    Bill

    #11130

    techteach
    Moderator

    I am guessing that Eldad Cooley might have been white, although my only reason is the picture I found of James Cooley and his very native-looking wife. Eldad is called a minister in a couple of sources I have, but since I saw that the early Methodist church would just call someone who wanted to be a preacher a preacher, and that several also had to support themselves as farmers, he might have been one of those. He let a Green live two years with him after they came to Iowa from Ohio, but looks as if they were related.

    I found the Cooley information on http://www.a-c-o-m.com/genealogy6.htm This is where I found that they first came from Canandaiga, NY. I know I already said this but I found a Cooley picture there that looks the image of my little brother. Kind of seemed eerie.

    The Cooleys and Bess’ information has kind of settled my mind. I can better see who my ancestors were and why they came to Iowa.

    Cindy

    #11131

    techteach
    Moderator

    I am guessing that Eldad Cooley might have been white, although my only reason is the picture I found of James Cooley and his very native-looking wife. Eldad is called a minister in a couple of sources I have, but since I saw that the early Methodist church would just call someone who wanted to be a preacher a preacher, and that several also had to support themselves as farmers, he might have been one of those. He let a Green live two years with him after they came to Iowa from Ohio, but looks as if they were related.

    I found the Cooley information on http://www.a-c-o-m.com/genealogy6.htm This is where I found that they first came from Canandaiga, NY. I know I already said this but I found a Cooley picture there that looks the image of my little brother. Kind of seemed eerie.

    The Cooleys and Bess’ information has kind of settled my mind. I can better see who my ancestors were and why they came to Iowa.

    Cindy

    #11132

    techteach
    Moderator

    I am guessing that Eldad Cooley might have been white, although my only reason is the picture I found of James Cooley and his very native-looking wife. Eldad is called a minister in a couple of sources I have, but since I saw that the early Methodist church would just call someone who wanted to be a preacher a preacher, and that several also had to support themselves as farmers, he might have been one of those. He let a Green live two years with him after they came to Iowa from Ohio, but looks as if they were related.

    I found the Cooley information on http://www.a-c-o-m.com/genealogy6.htm This is where I found that they first came from Canandaiga, NY. I know I already said this but I found a Cooley picture there that looks the image of my little brother. Kind of seemed eerie.

    The Cooleys and Bess’ information has kind of settled my mind. I can better see who my ancestors were and why they came to Iowa.

    Cindy

    #11133

    techteach
    Moderator

    I am guessing that Eldad Cooley might have been white, although my only reason is the picture I found of James Cooley and his very native-looking wife. Eldad is called a minister in a couple of sources I have, but since I saw that the early Methodist church would just call someone who wanted to be a preacher a preacher, and that several also had to support themselves as farmers, he might have been one of those. He let a Green live two years with him after they came to Iowa from Ohio, but looks as if they were related.

    I found the Cooley information on http://www.a-c-o-m.com/genealogy6.htm This is where I found that they first came from Canandaiga, NY. I know I already said this but I found a Cooley picture there that looks the image of my little brother. Kind of seemed eerie.

    The Cooleys and Bess’ information has kind of settled my mind. I can better see who my ancestors were and why they came to Iowa.

    Cindy

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