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  • #11137

    Bill Childs
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    Cindy,

    Please go to the “Welcome to Saponitown” forum and read LENA’s post of “Still Looking for BASS……. ” She has POTTERs.

    Bill

    #11139

    techteach
    Moderator

    So I saw. Looks like her story is really similar too. I think that the NA came through the line that the Potters married into. Same Cherokee-Blackfoot story too.

    Techteach

    #11205

    techteach
    Moderator

    Deb found yet another tidbit that seems to indicate that the people who came to Iowa from Ohio were recognized as Iroquois. She found a treaty calling the Iroquois “Canton Indians.” Our Sinkey/Potter/Green/Huston folks settled in and neara town called Canton, Iowa.

    Cindy

    #11217

    vance hawkins
    Participant

    http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/hlawquery.html

    1 U.S. Serial Set, Number 4015, 56th Congress, 1st Session, Pages 744 and 745

    2 Bills and Resolutions, Senate, 29th Congress, 1st Session: Mr. Atchison, from the Committee on Indian Affairs, submitted a report, (No. 135,) accompanied by the following bill; which was read, and passed to a second reading. A Bill To pay for improvements on the Wyandot lands in Ohio and Michigan, in accordance with a valuation made in pursuance of the fifth article of the treaty between the United States …

    3 Senate Executive Journal –MONDAY, December 22, 1817.

    4 Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 22 November 1, 1784 – November 6, 1785 –Samuel Holten to Samuel B. Webb

    5 Senate Executive Journal –THURSDAY, December 31, 1829.

    6 U.S. Serial Set, Number 4015, 56th Congress, 1st Session, Pages 776 and 777

    7 Senate Executive Journal –WEDNESDAY, August 17, 1842.

    8 House Journal –MONDAY, DECEMBER 22, 1806.

    9 U.S. Serial Set, Number 4015, 56th Congress, 1st Session, Pages 684 and 685

    10 Journals of the Continental Congress –MONDAY, FEBRUARY 5, 1787.

    11 Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 19 August 1, 1782 – March 11, 1783 –David Howell to Moses Brown

    12 Senate Journal –MONDAY, December 24, 1827.

    13 Senate Journal –MONDAY, December 15, 1828.

    14 Senate Journal –MONDAY, February 16, 1846.

    15 House Journal –TUESDAY, June 27, 1854.

    16 Senate Journal –SATURDAY, July 11, 1846.

    17 Journals of the Continental Congress –TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 20, 1787.

    18 House Journal –MONDAY, January 15, 1821.

    19 Senate Executive Journal –WEDNESDAY, March 2, 1831.

    20 Senate Journal –MONDAY, May 19, 1834.

    These are the 1st 20 of 100 references that can be looked into on that website by searching “Sandusky Indians” — I imagine a different choice of search words will yield different government documents.

    vance

    #11218

    techteach
    Moderator

    What a great site, Vance, thanks! The data is terrific and the maps are just what I was searching for on the web.

    Cindy

    #11245

    Bill Childs
    Moderator

    Cindy,

    More recently than the James Cooley lookup or the Eldad Cooley conversation, you asked me to try to find someone else…. I’ve lost my note on it and can’t even find the thread it was on….

    Who was it that you needed info on?

    Bill

    #11246

    techteach
    Moderator

    Hi, Bill,

    You probably lost it when your computer crashed. My sympathies. Mine is 3 weeks back from Apple and needs to go back. I am trying to limp it along for a while.

    I found out from Deb that my information on the Sinkey who was William’s father, the William who was in the Revolution (so was Richard) was married to an Eno. Bridgette Eno, married to Richard Sinkey. I don’t know where that information came from, seems I remember a surviving Bible. Wondered if you might take time to see if anything exists at Genealogy.com or Ancestry.com. I can’t find anything, except suspicious marriages of Enos – Parrs, a location of an Eno cemetery near where my folks were in Iowa, and locations that were interesting.

    I have been looking in online church records and family search.

    Cindy

    #11255

    techteach
    Moderator

    Bill:

    This is what Deb sent me:

    Richard Sinkey b. Abt 1742 PA

    m. Abt 1766 PA

    d. Abt 1814..Barree Twp, Huntingdon Co., PA

    buried: Manor Hill Methodist Church Cemetary near Manor Hill, PA

    m. Bridgid ENO b. abt 1746

    d. abt 1816

    Children:

    1) William b. abt 1766 Huntingdon Co., PA

    m. abt 1788

    d. Sept 1899 Jackson Co., IA

    m. Mary McCartney

    2) Richard Sinkey, Jr. b. abt 1774 m. Mary Olyer

    d. abt 1837

    3) James Sinkey b. abt 1776

    4) Elizabeth S inkey b. abt 1777 m. Daniel McCartney

    5) Mary Sinkey b. abt 1778 m. Mathias Midy

    6) Martha Sinkey b. abt 1779 m. Thomas Wheeler

    If you can find anything about either Richard or Bridgid. I know that Richard was in the Revolution also, at least according to the PA digital library. One of his cards requests an exception to serving as he had to “move his family; break up the settlement entirely.” Other cards say that both he and William were scouts in Kosquillas Valley (I am not spelling that correctly, but it is something like that. In any case, its spelling today did not quite match that of the Rev War cards.)

    Cindy

    #11258

    Bill Childs
    Moderator

    Found your early Richard Sinkey/Sankey, b.Pa (not England or Ireland), and father (?) Thomas, born “England”, though – married Unknown prob. in Pa. The only Eno’s found in early Penn were as ENNO, but they were from Connecticutt in 1760s (Susquehanna Company) emigrating to the Wyoming Valley which places them in the vicinity but there’s no definite connection. A few “ENO” found in the mid-1800s in Luzerne County, but not earlier. This URL may not wrap properly but it’s on the parent usgenweb Penn Index:

    http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/pafiles.htm

    and search on ENNO. The Susquehanna Company was the only result that came up. Scroll through to page 77, shown as [77].

    Previous pages provide a history of this endevour.

    I haven’t exhausted my “new-found resources” for this area so bear with me. It may take a couple days.

    Still wondering what the source of Deb’s info was, that Bridget was an “ENO” ? Can you fill me in on that?

    Bill

    #11262

    techteach
    Moderator

    Bill,

    I will have to check with Deb. She has 3 daughters who tie up the computer though, so how soon she gets back to me is questionable. I believe that it might have been a family Bible. We have a cousin who is a Sinkey-Ralston descendent (and a Colville Indian) who gave me her Sinkey genealogy that she put together. She has a listing that is similar but looks like something that she could not read clearly.

    Interesting, though, I don’t believe that I have heard of a birth in England. Everything we have says Ireland if anything, in fact, William’s grandson, Eldad (Sinkey not Cooley – darned confusing!) called himself Irish and Indian – that came from his granddaughter who I am in email contact with. Also, it gives Richard (there were far too many by that name!) as Thomas’ younger brother. Deb and I have both come to be suspicious of the fact that all the Sankeys who stay in PA retain the name Sankey while all the Sinkeys who go west retain the spelling Sinkey. We have a Sankey-Sinkey book written by a descendent who makes a few judgements, justifying them with statements such as “this must be true because Dr. Wallman studied them for years.”

    There is however, a will that lists “Biddy” Sinkey as relinquishing her rights to control finances for her under-age children on the death of her husband Richard. Interestly enough, she relinquishes them to a Joshua Green.

    I will email Deb and check your URL – I typed this reply before I checked it. I did see Thomas, Richard, William, and an Ezekial’s Rev. War cards from PA.

    Cindy

    #11263

    Bill Childs
    Moderator

    At the risk of seeming defensive… the various “stuff” I’ve found can only mean that Thomas Sinkey and Thomas Sankey are the same person and his son Richard (William Richard, actually), which is your Richard Sinkey, b.1742, is found early on as a Sankey and later as a Sinkey – in the same county origination area AND there is no one else by that surname in the same area at the same time – ergo – they are very probably the same family line. I would go so far as to say that logically, they must be the same family.

    The devil’s in the details and England “owned” Northern Ireland then as now. Additionally, Londonderry, N.I., was a common transit point between Scotland (also an English possession), Liverpool, Rotterdam, Hamburg, Oslo, Stockholm, Copenhaven and even LaHarve, France, … in short, all of northern Europe to North America. “Coming from Ireland” could be interrupted several different ways, which is not to say that this is the case, in this case – just noting what I “found” that was researched by others.

    Not that every thing posted for family trees is to be believed nor just because it’s posted electronically, it must be necessarily “new”. One of these trees appears to be pretty old. Not that that appellation lends any credence or veracity to its accuracy, but it does appear to have a document/s at its base, due to its presentation.

    Backing up to the “came from Ireland” or “Irishman” notations regarding the Sinkey/Sankeys ….

    something of a “word-of-mouth” falacy has to be reckoned with and/or “knocked down” …..

    most of these family trees were put together after the Irish migrations of the mid- to late-1840s and succeeding generations have come to believe that the Irish weren’t here before then.

    While you and I know that to be untrue, the person who did the orginal research for a specific tree may not have been so historically grounded.

    Anyway, I’m digging at ’em.

    Bill

    P.S…. the SANKEYs that stayed in Penn were still marrying GREENs in the late 1800s !!! Go figure… must be pheronomes.

    🙂

    #11264

    techteach
    Moderator

    Thanks for the info, Bill. I don’t trust my sources anyway.

    There is a Rev. Richard Sankey (Sinkey?) from the York, I think, at around the same time who leaves when the frontier becomes too dangerous. He heads for Virginia with his family and becomes a bit more well-known.

    No word from Deb.

    Cindy

    #11274

    Linda
    Keymaster

    This Eno name has me wondering. I don’t know if I told you all the story about the booklet sent to me from Hillsboro, WI, which is in Vernon County. It was a Civil War Journal written by a Jeffries, with many references to his best friend, with the last name of Eno. Till fill in any newcomers, one of the VA/NC Piedmont Siouan tribes was the Eno, and Jeffries is a very early name associated with Siouan descendants. Richard Haithcock reports finding some VA Siouan descendants by the name of Eno.

    I asked about it, but was discouraged from putting too much stock in the Eno name, since it occurs in some European families. The Vernon County Enos traced back to Connecticut. There’s just a few too many coincidences. Hillsboro, Jeffries, Eno . . . it makes me wonder if there weren’t some founding fathers in the area who were Saponi mixed bloods passing as white. The “colored” community there was very definitely from Granville and Robeson Counties, NC. TechTeach’s Iowa families were just on the other side of the river from where my Vernon County family was.

    #11275

    techteach
    Moderator

    Linda:

    The Enos who were in Clayton County are even closer to yours folks in Vernon County than the rest of my group in Jackson County. They came from Canada and NY with origins in Connecticut. They were described as a “lost” family in one post with this person asking if anyone knew where their families were from. I am certainly thinking it very interesting. The cemetery is on an Amish farm, I guess.

    I am going to check with Deb as to the origin of the name. I did not have this name, but I had something close, like the source was hard to read. Her first name was Birghid. (I think I have the spelling right.) And, I might add, as I looked, I found at least one other name I see in my genealogy, i.e. Parr. Suspicious names and places.

    Cindy

    #11463

    techteach
    Moderator

    Found another URL that is interesting : http://www.centurytel.net/tjs11/hist/erind.htm Describes the Eries as Hokan Siouan. They were known as Black Minqua and became the Mingo. Also see http://www.centurytel.net/tjs11/hist/erind.htm

    Techteach

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