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  • #36497

    techteach
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    MarcSnelling;37157 wrote: BTW This is not the line that pointed me to the Seneca.

    That is through my grandfather’s line. His name was Drybread and there is good info on them as they started geneaology in the 1800s.

    George Drybread was the son of Frederick Druckenbrod and an unknown wife. He was born 7/14/1753 in what is now Westmoreland Co PA. The Drybreads were either Quakers or assoicated with them. They were out by the Alleghany forty years before the Quakers established the Seneca school with Corn Plant.

    Frederick Druckenbrod came from Germany. The family were known for skills in breeding animals and raising crops. The family story is a battle between brothers led to the name change. One changed his name from Druckenbrod to Drybread. There are not many with this name. Yet there were at least four men named Seneca. My mother wanted to name me Seneca but chose a more common name.

    George Drybread married Susannah Sager and settled on a farm in PA. Their first daughter Mary was born Feb 4 1777. They had four children in PA then moved to the Kentucky Territory in 1785 after four new counties were created. They had six more children there. In 1798 they moved to the Northwest Territory. William Drybread was born in ‘The Gore’ what is now Dearborn Co IN in 1799. The last two of their thirteen were born in Butler Co OH

    This line has four plus generations regularly travelling back to the lakes in Seneca country.

    There is a McColley line on this side that brick-walls with Catherine McColley born about 1738 in Harrison Co WV.

    Don’t see any connections on this side though.

    I see no connections either, but it may be there. Kinda suspicious to have the same surnames: McCartney and Potter with connection to Cooley. None of the rest are known. If Gedmatch is up and running, I will check for a match.

    Techteach

    #36498

    techteach
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    I just checked your DNA test kit against that of my mother whose family is the family I discuss on this forum. My father came from recent German immigrants. According to gedmatch, we don’t match.

    Techteach

    #36499

    MarcSnelling
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    Thanks for checking. Seems like there is some connection there even if not DNA.

    In addtion to Potter, McCartney and Cooley there is also Collins.

    Although not my direct ancestor one of Samuel Washington Beeler’s children married a Collins. I have seen him mentioned by another researcher who runs a site called ‘My Collins research including Bunch, Burnett, Hurst, Huthcison, Pettyjohn, Blackstone, Barlow’

    #36500

    MarcSnelling
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    I looked up the Sinkey, Potter, Deuel genealogy of Licking Co OH. My guess is these were assoicated families. There are a number of multiple marriages which creates links other than blood.

    Our Julius Potter ties to the Collins, Bunch genealogy through the Behler/Bohlers. He had children with his first wife (Figle) and married again at age 37 to Christina Stainbrook aged 16.

    She had three Potter children with him. He died from being kicked by a horse at 56. She was 35 remarried and had two Cooley children. One of her daughters married a McCartney. One of her son’s married into our Smith Blackfoot line. She was born nearby in Muskingum Co OH 1855. Her father was born there in 1822. Her grandfather Abraham came from Somerset Co PA was one of the earliest settlers of Brush Creek Twp.

    Julius’ father Thomas Potter born 1800 in PA may be associated with Mary (Potter) Sinkey born 1804? They are both brick-walls.

    #36501

    MarcSnelling
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    I’ve discovered that Emily Beeler – Thomas Potter’s wife is tied to the Bunch family. Her ancestor Amelia Hurst 1753-1833, had a brother William Hurst 1755-1836. William Hurst has a descendant who married Dorothy Bunch 1906-1988.

    I’ve also discovered that my Mary Ann Miller who is the wife of Andrew Bailey/Bayley is also tied to the same Bunchs. This is the line I mentioned in the Baileys/Dillons of West Virginia thread.

    Andrew J Miller, her nephew, married Amanda Bunch b.1835.

    Amanda Bunch and Dorothy Bunch share a common ancestor in John Bunch III 1690-1742.

    This information came from Ted Collins site.

    This new info shows conclusively (to me) that both my maternal grandparents are linked to the Saponi.

    #37688

    MarcSnelling
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    Red Hawk;8092 wrote: The message here is keep looking you will find it, but read the available histories of EVERY area where your family has been, every silly little local historian, every famous one too. You will be suprized how many “old tales from the family” start making sense and how many names will show up.

    This statement I am finding truer and truer. The info in this thread really seems to complete the circle of clues, history and family stories of my ancestors. Speaking to Rick Haithcock recently he was saying he has documented Saponi-Tutelo-Catawba ancestors among the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe who removed to Oklahoma.

    The “Seneca” in this group and the “Seneca” of the Sandusky are more likely Cayuga. As was mentioned earlier in this thread the Tutelo who were adopted by the Cayuga of the Six Nations at Grand River Ontario were surely not the only group of Cayuga who adopted Saponi-Tutelo-Catawba folks. The name of Catawba Island Township, in Ottawa County Ohio near the Sandusky is further evidence.

    A Brief History of the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe has some really good info.


    Looking through this thread again I’m noticing the Buck reference, and also another name past Cooley and Potter that I share with Cindy – Huston/Hutson. It is a middle name – Catherine Hutson Thomas b.1783 (MD?) to unknown parents d.1879 Delaware IN in my line. This is my mother’s direct maternal line which I am looking at more closely now that we have the results of her mtDNA test.

    Comparing the direct maternal lines of those who match my mother’s mtDNA closely the migration pattern of NC-PA-OH is always there. After that some end up in Indiana some in Iowa. So perhaps Cindy and my mother and I share a common ancestor in early 1800s Ohio. The next one in our direct maternal line is Experience “Pera” Walburn b. 1816 in Xenia OH.

    So far I have only looked really closely at one direct maternal line that matches my mothers mtDNA. This line also has a Thomas – but strangely her father is not aThomas, nor any of her husbands. Some of these lines have really fishy genealogy. Perhaps from Quakers/Brethern/Moravians obscuring the ancestry of Indian lines for reasons of survival? As Red Hawk said it was a “genocide” against these people at this time. In my estimation that is another very true statement.

    #37692

    techteach
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    Marc,

    I have been hunting deeply into my Potter lines recently, as the line goes back to the Mayflower and I plan to join the Mayflower Society. I found evidence of some Potters living in Seneca, Kansas and even one named Seneca. The Potters marry the Deuel line that comes out of Saratoga, New York. I have been suspicious of this line for years. My great-grandfather disliked this line and the Sinkey line even more, and I believe it to be that they were the most native of the lines. With the recent research, and given the the Deuels and Cooleys came from upper New York, I have begun to believe that that those lines coming from New York were Seneca. My Potter males included several ministers or a denomination called “Christian.” Something I read connected that religion to the Brethren. One of the Potters marries a DeMoss, one of the surnames connected with the Saponi. All of these people lived near Hartford, OH, a town that my cousin who wrote a book on hidden Indian characteristics claims was largely native. She says it used to be called “Crow Town” and honestly, I am not sure if it is currently named Hartford or Croton.

    This cousin is convinced that the Green line is Tuscarora, but I am not convinced of this. The Greens lived near Shepherdstown, WV with a couple of Shawnee towns nearby. She is convinced of the Tuscaora line because of some DNA results from her father that I think are not correctly interpreted or understood. I beleve more in the hints I have found of this over the years such as words that are remembered by another cousin that are Shawnee, an area just south of Dubuque, IA that translates into Shawnee and is near where the Sinkeys who descend from the Greens settled, and the beginning of the book written by a step grandson of my 3rd great-grandmother, my Blackfoot ancestor.

    This book was written about my Ralston ancestors in Slippery Rock. The author describes the natives around PA in very sympathetic tones. His information about the Shawnee is more extensive than other tribes and fits the areas of the Greens and Sinkeys. One thing he says though that I keep trying to think through is that the meaning of his statement that “Shawnee” means “wanderers”. Now, everything that I have read says that “Shawnee” means “southerners.” The Shawnee word for “wanders” is “Kickapoo” a tribe that split from the Shawnee. Was this a mistake or what is he saying? I believe that they were Shawnee.

    At the same time, his grandmother, John Ralston Jr’s first wife, Susan MaWha’s, family were Quaker and came west to teach Cornplanter’s children. He later describes Indians around Pittsburgh as “Cornplanter Seneca” but Cornplanter’s people were refugees of many tribes who lived on Cornplanter’s reservation.

    Cindy

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