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May 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #3026TomParticipant
Anyone heading over seas may want to stop in for fry bread and schnitzle, if that’s one the menu.
I was told 30 years ago that theere were pow wows in Europe that were bigger than ony here in America, well here’s a shock to that effect.May 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #26560
Wow, I’m speechless. 🙂May 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #26582blackindiangirlParticipant
oookkkaaayyy Tom, help me out here…..at the risk of sounding like “duh”:confused: , how did that happen? Pocahontas and Rolfe didn’t have any kids, so…are these just descendants of ndns that relocated to Europe like some blacks did after slavery was abolished?:o
And DON’T LAUGH anybody!:DMay 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #26583techteachModerator
I have heard that Europeans do NDN reenactments. And that they are very good.
TechteachMay 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #26584LindaKeymaster
I know in Germany there are a lot of people into a Native American thing. I guess it’s something like reenactors here, or the Renaissance Faires. People like dressing up like 19th century Plains Indians and I guess, pretending that’s who they are and where their living. I’m not sure, but it also likely involves some elements of replicating cultural beliefs and values. I know they have no interest in our Pow Wow gear, it’s not nearly authentic enough for them, too modernized. They’re very picky.May 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #26585blackindiangirlParticipant
Thanxs Techteach and Linda! That’s something new…I mean VERY new and unheard of ever to me…..so I was like 😮 at first; quite interesting! I learned something NEW today.:D Seems like they at least wanted to pay us our respects (at least in some manner) more than our own country and some people….humm.May 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #26593DreaminghawkModerator
Pocahantas and Rolfe DID have a son. He nearly died in England when his mother died. As an adult he came to America to claim the land that he inherited and produced enough children to have a whole tribe of descendents.
Besides Rolfe, direct lines are the “Red” Bowlings, Flemings, Clacks, and many others. The lines are well documented.May 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #26596spilleddiModerator
There are a lot of Native military folks stationed at the many US bases Germany, although I don’t know if they would attend the German run powwows. I have heard of powwows held on base though.
I visited my sister in the military a few years ago in Germany. I gave her a beaded pouch that had a backwards swastika design on it. She said that symbol is illegal in Germany, so she doesn’t wear it there. I also wore a beaded medalian and carried a beaded handbag there. Occasionaly someone would ask me what tribe the designs were from. They only knew the major plains tribes. I had one fellow give me advice on how to make my designs more authentic! I told him I just bead what I think looks nice.May 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #26601doveladyParticipant
Is the ‘Red’ a surname or a first name?May 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #26602doveladyParticipant
Tom that’s amazing. I had no idea. How very interesting.May 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #26605PappyDickParticipant
Is the ‘Red’ a surname or a first name?
I think you mean, in Dreaminghawk’s reference to the “Red” Bowlings? I believe that is the ones who have (or think they have) native ancestry; and those who don’t (or think they don’t) have been called the “Blue” Bowlings. However, some of the Bowlings married Fugates (referred to elsewhere on the forum, a year or so ago). There were Blue Fugates who were actually blue in appearance, because of a hereditary hemoglobin problem. See
The Europeans are into reenacting a lot of American things, including cowboys as well as Indians. In Karlstad, Sweden they reenact our Civil War naval battle between the Monitor and the Merrimac, out on the lake during the annual John Ericsson Day celebration. (Local boy who designed the Monitor, invented the screw propellor, etc.)May 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #26610TomParticipant
To bad we couldn’t re-enact something they do that is unquiely thiers over here, like taking over the world.. just kidding; but something that would be fun and as much a shock to them as some of this is to us.
I’d go for the caves of Lascaux (sp) or something similar, could you imagine that big tower in paris Texas, or a castle in Birmingham Alabama.
might be kinda fun.May 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #26614
It’s starting to sound like Disney World…:) Actually this has me thinking how interestingly rich in experience we North Americans are with all of the multiple cultures around us. Out here there are Czech Days in one town and there is Octoberfest German Celebration, we have a Multicultural Days Downtown with ethnic foods and dance performances and of course all of the Pow Wows. I suppose in European Countries they might have to import to bring in a different experience. I feel blessed to have the opportunity to visit the real thing.May 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #26622
I found Billy Mills, World Olympics Champion today (see Indian Country Issues). I think his quote might fit here:
“What I took from the Olympic Games was not winning an Olympic gold medal but an understanding of global unity through dignity of character and pride of global diversity. And global unity through global diversity is also the future of mankind.”I know there are Lakota elders who are opposed to this Euro-Pow Wow phenomenon, concerned of misappropriation and distortion with ultimate loss. Yet you have to wonder of good that can come when peoples of the world are being drawn to the steadfast strength, endurance, reverance to the Great Mystery and respect for Mother Earth that radiates from American Indian Cultures.May 23, 2007 at 6:10 pm #26635janetteParticipant
I am sure most elements of the above posts are true for the European. There are a few other things that happened. So many of the elders were “imported” for the European to learn more about the culture. That still continues today. I know several “holey men” that travel almost every year to some place over there. The movie “Gray Owl” was about the facination of the European. ( one that went off course but that was when it started)
The better part of what happened is the spiritual aspects… yes many have been shunned for sharing or in some cases abusing the spiritual ways.
My experience in my small circle is many come here for more in depth teaching and learn the language and more. Europeans are much more adapt at a very focused and dedicated committment to experience the Native American Spiritual life.
This is some what rare but think there was a flood of Europeans after Wounded Knee II that came for altruistic ends. A personal example i know a family from Sweden that comes every year to our Sun Dance and do great things to support. They have done this for at least the last 6 years. They speek Lakota and follow old traditions back home. They live it. Curious hugh.
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