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Do you mind me asking if the film you mentioned ” American Hollow” was about the Bowlings/Bollins/Bolling family of Kentucky? I saw a doc several years ago, not all of it, as I missed several parts, of a year in the life’s of this family. I have tried since then to find it airing again, to no avail. But I also forgot the title! I think I might have seen a book in Books-a-Million also about this same family, but was in a hurry and didn’t write down the title, and then promptly forgot it.
I am related to the Bollings family line of Wise Co., VA, who also states they are connected to the Pocohontas line. My relation to this family line in mostly thru marriages.
Anyway, I have often wished I could see all of the documentary. And your posting brought it back to mind. Just wondering if it was the same one.
I haven’t done much research on my Bolling’s line, but I do have Collins’s in Letcher Co, KY also. I visit a Uncle and Aunt in Jenkins every couple of years or so.
My Mullins side is the one that has married into Bollings, but I beleive I had Collins’s marrying into Bollings also.
Thanks for mentioning the documentary, now I have a title and maybe I can locate it airing again sometime on PBS. I do see that the book is available, but it is very costly I think, so I can’t go that route right now.
Interesting! She and I may be “kin”.
Both my Collins line & my Mullins line have gray eyes that are prevalent. My Father, a Collins had black hair and gray eyes that at times looked blue, my Mother, a Mullins had auburn, brown hair and gray eyes, that were halo’d with charcoal and with gold flecks ………one of my oldest sister’s has the same eye color and 2 brothers are just gray/light blue. One sister has grey/blue hazel and then me & another brother have blue eyes.
One thing you might consider here is pieces of fur, such as rabbit or a small animal’s tail. Fur when cut in ovals or strips, will curl up somewhat and will look different after being wet. Fur was used alot to trim garments , especially in the cooler weather months. Tails, faces and feet were often used as decoration, also. Just an idea!
As you guys can see from my picture, I do not look like the current accepted appearance of a Melungeon. But my lineage from both my father’s Collins’s & mother’s Mullins’s can be traced back to core Melungeon groups. Including Griffin Collins. I have attended 2 Melungeon Unions and done research in VA, TN & KY and talked to numerous people/relatives about Melungeon’s. Have visited Sneedville and Newman’s Ridge, spent a whole day with Mrs. Johnnie Rhea ( a descendant of Uriah Gibson ) and Newman’s Ridges local records and research keeper and to be honest, I believe I am a Melungeon ( whatever the definition means) but I can’t prove that! I do know that talking to my older relatives, who were mostly raised and still live in Wise Co., VA and Letcher Co.,KY the word Melungeon was unheard of until Brent Kennedy’s revelation. Also our oral family history always stated Cherokee Indian on my Collins’s side and Blackfoot Indian on my Mullins’s side. I have siblings and relatives that certainly look NA, some almost look Africa American, but then alot of them look Irish/Scottish.
My father’s generations ( he was 16 years older than my mother, born in 1915 ) grew up without any predjudical treatment that any will admit to, however his Mother was a Schoolcraft/Hayes, German and Irish, so the lighter looks were there, although my father was black haired with grey eyes, he was very fair skinned. Now, my mother’s childhood was totally different ( she was Mullins on both sides) and she was treated differently. That Mullins’s line has all of the topical Melungeon features. My mother had dark auburn hair, grey eyes and olive skinned. I can trace it back to Ambrose Mullins of Bold Camp, VA , also a core Melungeon settlement.
I guess what I am trying to say is I don’t know what I am really, would love to prove it somewhat, but it wouldn’t change ME! I would still have shovel teeth, bump and also a mongollin spot, but with very light skin, blond hair and blue eyes. I went several years ago to the Blackfeet Indian reservation in MT, spend 5 days in the wilderness with a Blackfeet guide, horseback rode and even did a sweatlodge. My guide told me she thought I had Cherokee bone structure in my face and eyes, I can’t see it myself.
But, regardless of proving what I am, I would be proud of WHATEVER my lineage is, because it defines ME. NA, Melungeon, Portuguese, African or any other mixture ……………as the Melungeon motto states ” One People, All Colors”. We are all related.
I have always wondered about Charles Griffin listed with the Saponi’s. I like you Tom, have the name Griffin, but as a first name in my Collins’s line. As a descendent of Griffin Collins, I have wondered if that name wasn’t chosen because of Charles Griffin………… it has been suggested that the Griffin Collins’s line might have come from the Collins that was listed as one of the Saponi’s along with Charles in the court records. Some researchers have linked Griffin as related to old Thomas Collins and it has been speculated that John is really the first name which has been dropped over generations, middle names being used mostly.
Just something I have wondered about!
I know this isn’t a herbal remedy….but my Aunt Jackie Collins, raised 9 children and she swears by VICK’s Vapor rub for any bump that might bruise. Just rub it in as quickly ASAP after the injury and the pain will quickly disappear and in most cases, no bruising! I have even tried this hours after a hard knock and it still makes the bruising heal faster. Just watch out for little children who might rub it and then rub around their eyes. It really does work if you can stand the smell!
Good to hear from you Tom.
Oh I am still here………just got out of the habit of checking the forum daily. Have been very busy, but it looks like the forum has been also. I was excited to see new Collins research and have tried to get caught up on reading it all.
I was able to visit Newman’s Ridge and also the Melungeon Union back in June 2006. Had a great time, met some new relatives and do some research on both my Collins & Mullins lines. I visited the local historical person at Newman’s Ridge, Mrs. Johnny Rhea, and I wish I could have spent weeks at her home. She has walls stacked to the ceiling of research records for mostly Newman’s Ridge, but also VA, KY and of course TN documents. However, it isn’t organized well, so it would take lots of time to check through. She is a walking, talking courthouse of lineages. And a most gracious person could not be found. I hope to return there in the future.
Also Corn Silk tea will help with any kidney or bladder problems. You can find it at most health food stores and it works fast. Not very tasteful I am told, but a little honey added is OK. Drink several 6oz cups a day. My niece had large kidney stones ( during pregnancy) and it dissolved them, without laser or surgery. It is an old NA remedy using the silk of corn I am told.
The Mullins’s listed as Elizabeth’s line are suppose to be Melungeon’s located in or around Wise Co., VA and Newman Ridge, TN. My Mullins line is also ID as Melungeon, however our oral family history states Blackfoot Indian. I have to admit I had never heard of Saponi or Eastern Blackfoot until I happened upon this site several years ago. Certainly helped explain a lot about the family oral history of Cherokee for my Collins’s and Blackfoot for my Mullins’s. However the Melungeon theory bears consideration.
I also have Bollings in my line who are reported to go back to Pocahantas ………I have’t done much research on that line as I still have so much to do with my direct line. Lastly I also have Shortt’s in my line…….bet you and I are related!!!
Nancy Collins Hallauer
That probably is correct…..my G Grandparents Mullins’s were 1st cousins . Although family oral history states it did cause a rift between the two brothers and their families.
Family oral history of my Mullins line starts with Riley Mullins, b. 1822 Russell Co., VA and Elizabeth Ingles. They had several children including Washington, b.1842; Eliza,b.1845; Jane,b.1847; and William R. “Bill” , b. 1848/49 all in Russell Co.,VA. others were Jane, Riley, Malinda, Olley and Henry.
Well, Washington marries Melinda/Malinda Hubbard in 1866 and William “Bill” R. marries Melinda Dean ( daughter of Ellis & Mineriva Dean) at some point. Washington & Malinda had 9 children that lived; Jane, Ellen, Steve, Jefferson (b.1868), George, Melvina, Laura, Elvira and Emma.
I have less info on William “Bill” children but one of them was Nancy also born around 1868.
Jefferson, son of Washington and Nancy ,daughter of William “Bill” married in 1892, Wise, VA. 1st cousins marrying. Lord help us!
These are my G Grandparents!
My Mullins’s settled at Bold Camp, VA and research leads me to believe that Riley’s father was Ambrose Mullins of Bold Camp, however I do not have documenation to prove that.
But here is where my biggest mystery begins ………….family oral history has always stated that my G Grandmother Nancy Mullins was full-blooded Blackfoot Indian!!! You explain that!!!! When asked about William “Bill” Mullins being the brother to Washington and Jeff not being full blood , we always got the same answer, she was full blood! Well, she certainly looked Indian, but that doesn’t make it so.
Unfortunantly because of the rift , there wasn’t much said while growing up about William ” Bill” and G Grandmother Nancy’s mother, Melinda. Bill , I believe fathered children by another women , but I have only discovered this via research, not family history.
Nancy Mullins actually raised my Mother, with Jeff off and on living with them. He turned out when older to be quite a drinker and difficult person and was not always living in the same household as my Mother and G Grandmother.
Quite a puzzle.
Oh, I forgot to ask . What part of FL are you located? I am in central FL about 15 miles south of Ocala.
All my life I was told that we were Cherokee Indian on my Collins side and Blackfoot on my Mullins side. Both of these lines settled in the Wise Co. , VA area , Collins’s by way of TN, NC then VA. Mullins’s are harder to determine…..just VA. You would think they fell out of the sky and landing in Wise! I do know that my Mullins side is from a core Melungeon line and I suppect my Collins’s line is also Melungeon. However, nothing was ever said by any family member pertaining to the word Melungeon, it was always Indian ancestry. I just heard about the Melungeons around 7-8 years ago and since then I have tried to research , read and look at anything and everything Melungeon…..even attended the 5th reunion in Kingsport, TN last year. There were
” Melungeons ” , “Indians ” , “Brass Ankles” and “Black Dutch ” with many, many different surnames attending from all over the country and you couldn’t have had a bigger mix of physical features………. but most all of them thought to have tries to the Melungeons.
My Mullins line looked and still does look Indian. And my Collins’s line did – stopping with my Great Grandfather……..but then my Grandfather and Father did not! Of course they married into Irish/German/English lines and thus deluded the line with fair haired and blue eyed offspring.
Well I should clarify one statement……..my father, a Collins married my mother, a Mullins ( she is from a core Melungeon line). What I meant was that my G Grandfather Collins and my Grandfather Collins married Irish/German/English ancestry women . Thus the Cherokee / Melungeon?Saponi ???? was already lossing much of its characteristic’s by then.
I also have the shovel teeth, a bump at the back of my head and both feet the second toe is longer………then I have the ridges inside the front four teeth, top and bottom ( bump and teeth considered Melungeon traits).
I have 6 siblings and 3 of us are fair skinned/blue or green eyed with blond hair and only sunburn. The others are dark/olive skinned with gray/green eyes and auburn to dark brown hair. Two of them can tan so dark as to look African American, color wise only. My father was fair to ruddy skinned with black hair and blue eyes. My mother is dark auburn with grey eyes and olive skin. The Mullins’s are mostly dark skinned and haired,some with black or dark colored eyes, but mostly grey. The Collins’s today are very Irish/English looking.
I have no documented proof as to NA on either side, only oral family history and research. Melungeon is a more accurate explaination , but then WHAT EXACTLY IS A MELUNGEON? I am at odds to how I feel about the Indian/Melungeon issue, but I agree, DOES IT REALLY MATTER. I am who I am , and nothing can change that fact…………however, I would love to solve the mystery and really know!!! I also feel you can be NA in spirit and thoughts, without proving you have the blood.
And it also greives me to see the disregard many today have for our earth and our many blessings.