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  • in reply to: Indians in Halifax, Virginia late 1800s #35370

    karmelhugs
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    researching the Indian lineage of our family line. We do not have

    much information.

    1930 Halifax Co., Va Census – ED24 Roanoke Mag. Dist; 4 April, p.59A,

    at 10, 14:

    Williams, Paul; Laborer-County Road; m, Neg, 49, m30, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Henrietta; wife; f, Neg, 32, m27, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Claude H.; son, m, Neg, 21, Va.

    (ditto), Maggie; dau, f, Neg, 15, Va.

    (ditto), Woodrow; son, m, Neg, 12, Va.

    (ditto), Grant S.; son, m, Neg, 3 + 9 months, Va.

    (ditto), Swanee (?) L.; dau, f, Neg, 2 + 3 months, Va.

    Next door at 11, 15:

    Reid, Bell; Servant, Private Home; f, Neg, 38, W’d, m19; Va,Va,Va.

    Williams, Julia A.; Mother; f, Neg, 80, W’d, m15; Va, Va, Va.

    Both Bell and Julia are widowed (W’d); Bell was marr’d at 19 yrs old

    and Julia marr’d at 15 yrs old.

    The “m30” for Paul and “m27” for Henrietta, are their ages when each

    first married.

    (Their fathers and mothers were also born in Virginia.)

    In 1930, Paul and Henrietta have been married about 5 years,

    Henrietta being married at 27 yrs old. Grant and Swanee would then be

    the children of Paul and Henrietta – the older children’s mother is

    Joanna, per the 1920 census.

    1920 Halifax Co., Va Census; ED98 Roanoke; 24 March; p.149A., at 68, —

    Williams, P. J.; Farmer; m, B, 39, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Joanna; wife, f, B, 40, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Jessie; dau, f, B, 19, Va.

    (ditto), Mary; dau, f, B, 16, Va.

    (ditto), J. A. (?); son, m, B, 14, Va.

    (ditto), Claude; son, m, B, 11, Va.

    (ditto), Andrew; son, m, B, 8, Va.

    (ditto), Maggie; dau, f, B, 5, Va.

    (ditto), Woodrow; son, m, B, 2, Va.

    1910 Halifax Co., Va Census; ED70 Roanoke Mag.Dist; 16 April, p.87B,

    at 28, 29:

    Williams, Paul J.; Railroad Lab’r; m, B, 30, m1, 9, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Joanah; wife, f, B, 30, m1, 9, 5/5, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Jesie D. (?); dau, f, B, 8, Va.

    (ditto), Ellen M.; dau, f, B, 6, Va.

    (ditto), James A.; son, m, B, 4, Va.

    (ditto), Claud H.; son, m, B, 1, Va.

    (ditto), Clive S.; son, m, B, 1, Va.

    Looks like Claude and Clive were twins.

    (Paul & Joanah have each been marr’d once and have been marr’d for 9

    years. Joanah has had 5 children and 5 are still living.)

    three doors further, at 31, 32:

    Blackstock, Ellen; — , f, B, 78, W’d, 6/0, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), William H.; G-son, m, B, 21, Va, farmer.

    (ditto), Millie J.; G-dau, f, B, 13, Va.

    Williams, Paul H.; farmer, m, B, 62, m1, 43, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Julia A.; wife, f,MU, 61, m1, 43, 8/6, Va, Va, Va, laundress.

    (ditto), Allen L.; son, m, MU, 30, Va. farmer.

    (ditto), Walter (?) E.; son, m, MU, 18, Va, farm laborer.

    Coleman, Ryal; G-son, m, MU, 21, Va, –hand, Railroad.

    (ditto), Helen N.; G-dau, f, MU, 18, Va, laundress.

    Williams, Byrd; G-son, m, B, 16, Va, farm laborer.

    Julia was a HARRIS! There are Harris’s in that general area of

    southern Virginia who are Indian.

    Between the 1880s and 1920s especially, anyone not obviously ‘white’

    usually was listed as ‘black’ or ‘negro’ on census records,

    particularly in the south – census takers weren’t anthropologists –

    so this is such a very subjective thing that you can’t count on it

    being accurate.

    The family states that Paul H Williams was originally a slave

    belonging to the Carringtons in Charlotte, VA and carried that name

    until he moved to Clover and worked for a man named Allen Williams,

    thus the Williams name.

    His wife Julia Anne Harris was also a slave of the same Carrington as

    Paul. She claimed to be Carrington’s daughter, refusing to be

    acknowledged as a Williams prior to marriage. No one remembers the

    first name of the Carrington that owned the plantation. Through my

    research I have learned there were many Carringtons in Virginia and

    am having a hard time figuring out which one it could be.

    I see the census recorded Paul H as Black. The family believes that

    Paul had Irish/Indian blood as well. It was always the explanation

    for the fair skin, occasional straight hair, green eyes and red hair

    in the family.

    It is said that Julia was part Indian as well. Maybe from the

    Carrington side? But Blackfoot continues to be mentioned and it is

    said to come from Julia’s side of the family.

    Below are additional names of Paul and Julia’s children.

    Susan – b.1868

    Belle – b.1870

    Ailis – b.1873

    Anne -b.1875

    Paul James b. -1881

    Allen – b.1884

    Florence – b.1887

    Walter – b.1891

    Census record identification of race is very subjective and therefore

    “uncertain” at best.

    In 1870 Halifax Co., Roanoke Twp, p.659A, Paul H., 21, and Julia

    Williams, 22, with daughter Susan, 2, lived next door to Rebecca

    Williams, 19, and the next house was Archer Williams, 31, and wife

    Cornelia, 25.

    Three houses after Archer lived Benjamin Carrington, 65 and wife

    Lucinda, 55. The census taker’s name was J.M. Carrington

    in reply to: Johnson and Willaim of Halifax #11014

    karmelhugs
    Participant

    thank u very much…lol

    in reply to: Johnson and William of Halifax #10943

    karmelhugs
    Participant

    thank you…….but if u come acros anythign please let me know…

    in reply to: Johnson and William of Halifax #11081

    karmelhugs
    Participant

    I found out that my family was members of the Historical Halifax Church on RTE 78….A Presbyterian Church….they where the slaves that went to the church…….

    in reply to: Johnson and William of Halifax #11082

    karmelhugs
    Participant

    The Plantation that they belonged to believe dto be called the Woodlawn plantaion, and the slave owner last name was Williams….

    in reply to: Johnson and William of Halifax #35371

    karmelhugs
    Participant

    by any chance have you been able to get any further info about julia ann or her mother?

    in reply to: The Saponi in Halifax County #10939

    karmelhugs
    Participant

    Okay I looked up Julia and pauls marriage certificate….

    both Paul and Julia was born and raised in Halifax……

    Name and age , the date they were married on…..

    Paul 21 and Julia Ann Johnson (not harris) 20……Aug 11 1867

    ( A.R Carrington was the person who married them off)

    Name of Pauls parents (father, mother)

    Mitcheal, Nelly ( no last names)

    ( I believe….there last name was Williams to start with because when Paul was married he married with the last name Williams in 1867 but The family states that Paul H Williams was originally a slave belonging to the Carringtons in Charlotte, VA and carried that name until he moved to Clover and worked for a man named Allen Williams, thus the Williams name.)

    Name of Julias parents (father, mother)

    “unknown”, Allice (no last name)

    they had an blank in he fathers spot..she she may have been an Carrington….Julia Anne Johnson was also a slave of the same Carrington as Paul. She claimed to be Carrington’s daughter, refusing to be acknowledged as a Williams prior to marriage. No one remembers the first name of the Carrington that owned the plantation. Through my research I have learned there were many Carringtons in Virginia and am having a hard time figuring out which one it could be.

    I am assuming Allice last name was Johnson because that was Julias name before marriage..

    Between the 1880s and 1920s especially, anyone not obviously ‘white’ usually was listed as ‘black’ or ‘negro’ on census records, particularly in the south – census takers weren’t anthropologists – so this is such a very subjective thing that you can’t count on it being accurate.

    I see the census recorded Paul H as Black. The family believes that Paul had Irish/Indian blood as well. It was always the explanation for the fair skin, occasional straight hair, green eyes and red hair in the family.

    It is said that Julia was part Indian as well. Maybe from the Carrington side? But Blackfoot continues to be mentioned and it is said to come from Julia’s side of the family.

    1930 Halifax Co., Va Census – ED24 Roanoke Mag. Dist; 4 April, p.59A,

    at 10, 14:

    Williams, Paul; Laborer-County Road; m, Neg, 49, m30, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Henrietta; wife; f, Neg, 32, m27, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Claude H.; son, m, Neg, 21, Va.

    (ditto), Maggie; dau, f, Neg, 15, Va.

    (ditto), Woodrow; son, m, Neg, 12, Va.

    (ditto), Grant S.; son, m, Neg, 3 + 9 months, Va.

    (ditto), Swanee (?) L.; dau, f, Neg, 2 + 3 months, Va.

    Next door at 11, 15:

    Reid, Bell; Servant, Private Home; f, Neg, 38, W’d, m19; Va,Va,Va.

    Williams, Julia A.; Mother; f, Neg, 80, W’d, m15; Va, Va, Va.

    Both Bell and Julia are widowed (W’d); Bell was marr’d at 19 yrs old and Julia marr’d at 15 yrs old.

    The “m30” for Paul and “m27” for Henrietta, are their ages when each first married.

    (Their fathers and mothers were also born in Virginia.)

    In 1930, Paul and Henrietta have been married about 5 years, Henrietta being married at 27 yrs old. Grant and Swanee would then be the children of Paul and Henrietta – the older children’s mother is Joanna, per the 1920 census.

    1920 Halifax Co., Va Census; ED98 Roanoke; 24 March; p.149A., at 68, —

    Williams, P. J.; Farmer; m, B, 39, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Joanna; wife, f, B, 40, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Jessie; dau, f, B, 19, Va.

    (ditto), Mary; dau, f, B, 16, Va.

    (ditto), J. A. (?); son, m, B, 14, Va.

    (ditto), Claude; son, m, B, 11, Va.

    (ditto), Andrew; son, m, B, 8, Va.

    (ditto), Maggie; dau, f, B, 5, Va.

    (ditto), Woodrow; son, m, B, 2, Va.

    1910 Halifax Co., Va Census; ED70 Roanoke Mag.Dist; 16 April, p.87B,

    at 28, 29:

    Williams, Paul J.; Railroad Lab’r; m, B, 30, m1, 9, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Joanah; wife, f, B, 30, m1, 9, 5/5, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Jesie D. (?); dau, f, B, 8, Va.

    (ditto), Ellen M.; dau, f, B, 6, Va.

    (ditto), James A.; son, m, B, 4, Va.

    (ditto), Claud H.; son, m, B, 1, Va.

    (ditto), Clive S.; son, m, B, 1, Va.

    Looks like Claude and Clive were twins.

    (Paul & Joanah have each been marr’d once and have been marr’d for 9 years. Joanah has had 5 children and 5 are still living.)

    three doors further, at 31, 32:

    Blackstock, Ellen; — , f, B, 78, W’d, 6/0, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), William H.; G-son, m, B, 21, Va, farmer.

    (ditto), Millie J.; G-dau, f, B, 13, Va.

    Williams, Paul H.; farmer, m, B, 62, m1, 43, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Julia A.; wife, f,MU, 61, m1, 43, 8/6, Va, Va, Va, laundress.

    (ditto), Allen L.; son, m, MU, 30, Va. farmer.

    (ditto), Walter (?) E.; son, m, MU, 18, Va, farm laborer.

    Coleman, Ryal; G-son, m, MU, 21, Va, –hand, Railroad.

    (ditto), Helen N.; G-dau, f, MU, 18, Va, laundress.

    Williams, Byrd; G-son, m, B, 16, Va, farm laborer.

    Below are additional names of Paul and Julia’s children.

    Susan – b.1868

    Belle – b.1870

    Ailis – b.1873

    Anne -b.1875

    Paul James b. -1881

    Allen – b.1884

    Florence – b.1887

    Walter – b.1891

    Census record identification of race is very subjective and therefore “uncertain” at best.

    In 1870 Halifax Co., Roanoke Twp, p.659A, Paul H., 21, and Julia Williams, 22, with daughter Susan, 2, lived next door to Rebecca Williams, 19, and the next house was Archer Williams, 31, and wife Cornelia, 25.

    Three houses after Archer lived Benjamin Carrington, 65 and wife Lucinda, 55. The census taker’s name was J.M. Carrington

    in reply to: many of our same families, 1785 Halifax, Co. VA census #10940

    karmelhugs
    Participant

    Okay I looked up Julia and pauls marriage certificate….

    both Paul and Julia was born and raised in Halifax……

    Name and age , the date they were married on…..

    Paul 21 and Julia Ann Johnson (not harris) 20……Aug 11 1867

    ( A.R Carrington was the person who married them off)

    Name of Pauls parents (father, mother)

    Mitcheal, Nelly ( no last names)

    ( I believe….there last name was Williams to start with because when Paul was married he married with the last name Williams in 1867 but The family states that Paul H Williams was originally a slave belonging to the Carringtons in Charlotte, VA and carried that name until he moved to Clover and worked for a man named Allen Williams, thus the Williams name.)

    Name of Julias parents (father, mother)

    “unknown”, Allice (no last name)

    they had an blank in he fathers spot..she she may have been an Carrington….Julia Anne Johnson was also a slave of the same Carrington as Paul. She claimed to be Carrington’s daughter, refusing to be acknowledged as a Williams prior to marriage. No one remembers the first name of the Carrington that owned the plantation. Through my research I have learned there were many Carringtons in Virginia and am having a hard time figuring out which one it could be.

    I am assuming Allice last name was Johnson because that was Julias name before marriage..

    Between the 1880s and 1920s especially, anyone not obviously ‘white’ usually was listed as ‘black’ or ‘negro’ on census records, particularly in the south – census takers weren’t anthropologists – so this is such a very subjective thing that you can’t count on it being accurate.

    I see the census recorded Paul H as Black. The family believes that Paul had Irish/Indian blood as well. It was always the explanation for the fair skin, occasional straight hair, green eyes and red hair in the family.

    It is said that Julia was part Indian as well. Maybe from the Carrington side? But Blackfoot continues to be mentioned and it is said to come from Julia’s side of the family.

    1930 Halifax Co., Va Census – ED24 Roanoke Mag. Dist; 4 April, p.59A,

    at 10, 14:

    Williams, Paul; Laborer-County Road; m, Neg, 49, m30, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Henrietta; wife; f, Neg, 32, m27, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Claude H.; son, m, Neg, 21, Va.

    (ditto), Maggie; dau, f, Neg, 15, Va.

    (ditto), Woodrow; son, m, Neg, 12, Va.

    (ditto), Grant S.; son, m, Neg, 3 + 9 months, Va.

    (ditto), Swanee (?) L.; dau, f, Neg, 2 + 3 months, Va.

    Next door at 11, 15:

    Reid, Bell; Servant, Private Home; f, Neg, 38, W’d, m19; Va,Va,Va.

    Williams, Julia A.; Mother; f, Neg, 80, W’d, m15; Va, Va, Va.

    Both Bell and Julia are widowed (W’d); Bell was marr’d at 19 yrs old and Julia marr’d at 15 yrs old.

    The “m30” for Paul and “m27” for Henrietta, are their ages when each first married.

    (Their fathers and mothers were also born in Virginia.)

    In 1930, Paul and Henrietta have been married about 5 years, Henrietta being married at 27 yrs old. Grant and Swanee would then be the children of Paul and Henrietta – the older children’s mother is Joanna, per the 1920 census.

    1920 Halifax Co., Va Census; ED98 Roanoke; 24 March; p.149A., at 68, —

    Williams, P. J.; Farmer; m, B, 39, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Joanna; wife, f, B, 40, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Jessie; dau, f, B, 19, Va.

    (ditto), Mary; dau, f, B, 16, Va.

    (ditto), J. A. (?); son, m, B, 14, Va.

    (ditto), Claude; son, m, B, 11, Va.

    (ditto), Andrew; son, m, B, 8, Va.

    (ditto), Maggie; dau, f, B, 5, Va.

    (ditto), Woodrow; son, m, B, 2, Va.

    1910 Halifax Co., Va Census; ED70 Roanoke Mag.Dist; 16 April, p.87B,

    at 28, 29:

    Williams, Paul J.; Railroad Lab’r; m, B, 30, m1, 9, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Joanah; wife, f, B, 30, m1, 9, 5/5, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Jesie D. (?); dau, f, B, 8, Va.

    (ditto), Ellen M.; dau, f, B, 6, Va.

    (ditto), James A.; son, m, B, 4, Va.

    (ditto), Claud H.; son, m, B, 1, Va.

    (ditto), Clive S.; son, m, B, 1, Va.

    Looks like Claude and Clive were twins.

    (Paul & Joanah have each been marr’d once and have been marr’d for 9 years. Joanah has had 5 children and 5 are still living.)

    three doors further, at 31, 32:

    Blackstock, Ellen; — , f, B, 78, W’d, 6/0, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), William H.; G-son, m, B, 21, Va, farmer.

    (ditto), Millie J.; G-dau, f, B, 13, Va.

    Williams, Paul H.; farmer, m, B, 62, m1, 43, Va, Va, Va.

    (ditto), Julia A.; wife, f,MU, 61, m1, 43, 8/6, Va, Va, Va, laundress.

    (ditto), Allen L.; son, m, MU, 30, Va. farmer.

    (ditto), Walter (?) E.; son, m, MU, 18, Va, farm laborer.

    Coleman, Ryal; G-son, m, MU, 21, Va, –hand, Railroad.

    (ditto), Helen N.; G-dau, f, MU, 18, Va, laundress.

    Williams, Byrd; G-son, m, B, 16, Va, farm laborer.

    Below are additional names of Paul and Julia’s children.

    Susan – b.1868

    Belle – b.1870

    Ailis – b.1873

    Anne -b.1875

    Paul James b. -1881

    Allen – b.1884

    Florence – b.1887

    Walter – b.1891

    Census record identification of race is very subjective and therefore “uncertain” at best.

    In 1870 Halifax Co., Roanoke Twp, p.659A, Paul H., 21, and Julia Williams, 22, with daughter Susan, 2, lived next door to Rebecca Williams, 19, and the next house was Archer Williams, 31, and wife Cornelia, 25.

    Three houses after Archer lived Benjamin Carrington, 65 and wife Lucinda, 55. The census taker’s name was J.M. Carrington

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