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I encountered this line recently in an Ancestry.com family tree. The tree (and others) has Erasmus West Jones marrying Rachel Penn (Penn is a surname on Rick Haithcock’s list of Saponi/Tutelo/Catawba names), and their daughter Angeline Jones (1832-1916) marrying Eliphalet Augustus Trowbridge (1832-1899).
There is a picture for Angeline Jones Trowbridge posted by ShirleyTurner1998
I am not familiar with this particular Jones line, there is not much to go on. I am familiar with the Trowbridge line from Morris NJ she marries into though. I have cousins who descend from this line that marry into my Jones line in Indiana:
Barton W S Trowbridge (1881-1947) who marries Sarah Margaret Riley (1887-1973). Sarah Riley is the daughter of Nancy Brower (1847-1923). I descend from Nancy’s sister Barbara Brower (1855-1915) who married Joseph Oscar Smith (1850-1930). Joseph O. Smith is the grandson of Massa Jones (my 5g-grandmother) who is a Siouan descendant.
Hi horcgal,
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I’m not familiar with your specific lines, but I have seen the Taliaferro surname in several posts on SaponiTown. Have you tried searching that? It is a common naming pattern in our group to give surnames as first or middle name to children to keep the name alive. Certainly there are Native ancestors from our group whose descendants have a present-day identity of both black and white passing.
I know what you mean by the “strange middle name”. My gg-grandfather has a similarly structured name, Dora MCS Smith. He mostly went by Dora M Smith, his full name was Dora Moses Cornelius Skinner Smith. The GB as George Burkett reminds of the CS as Cornelius Skinner in his name. I would think it is referring to someone by that name, but I have not yet been able to verify that to my satisfaction.
Not sure if any of that helps?
-Marc
Hi tl842,
Welcome to SaponiTown. Are you familiar with the Cherokee Vann line? As in the Vann Cherokee Cabin. As in Chief James Vann (1762-1809). I am not of Cherokee descent, but am connected to the associated Hughes line by marriage through my Waters ancestors. This is a thread about this that mentions Langston’s as well: https://saponitown.com/topic/waters-newberry-sc-vann-cherokee-cabin/
Have you looked for a connection of your Nancy Anne Vann Langston to this line?
Not sure if she is the same “Anne Vann Langston” mentioned in this thread? https://saponitown.com/topic/i-am-descended-amonsoquath-tribe/
I see have seen the Langston surname mentioned in Pamunkey threads:
If you search the forum for “Langston” you can find all the threads. If you search “Vann” you will get lots of results but they include words with ‘vann’ in them like Fluvanna County VA. So you have to dig a bit more.
Hope that helps.
-MarcOther surnames (surnames known to be used by Siouan descendants in bold):
Abbott
Anderson
Austin
Aydelott
Bass
Baumgart
Beatty
Beauchamp
Beck
Blaine
Burdette
Burnett
Chancellor
Chew
Collins
Cooper
Copeland
Craig
Crofts
Cross
Curry
Daugherty
Davis
Deffendoll
Deter
Dimmett
Doughty
Elkins
Fithian
Frost
Gatwood
Godbey
Goodwin
Gray
Griffith
Grose
Gryder
Guernsey
Harger
Harris
Henson
Hess
Hicks
Hoffman
Hoover
Hopkins
Houchins
Hull
Hunley
Hurt
Hutchin
Jones
Kellems
Kelsey
Kolley
Lance
Lane
Lange
Long
Martin
Matheus
Matthews
McClellan
McGillem
McMurtry
Metcalf
Moore
Murphy
Papadopolous
Parke
Parker
Peters
Pope
Posey
Potter
Powers
Price
Raibourn
Redman
Rhea
Rice
Ringer
Ringo
Ritchey
Roy
Ruckman
Ruppel
Sandusky
Saulmon
Schmitt
Schofield
Selby
Sertel
Singer
Sizemore
Small
Smith
Spang
Stinson
Strickland
Sutton
Teavault
Thorne
Tincher
Underhill
Veit
Walker
Walton
Whitehouse
Wiggins
Wilhite
WilkersonTechTeach has made several posts here about the Blackfoot Cemetery in Pike County IN. Given my family’s history in Indiana, I’ve looked at in detail at that cemetery and who rests there. Although none of my direct ancestors are in Pike or Gibson Counties, almost all of mine started in Randolph and Wayne counties and moved West and North.
TechTeach has posted about tracing Marvel and Prettyman lines from Blackfoot Town DE to the Blackfoot Cemetery in Indiana.
One user posted about their English line buried there
This thread is about the Ricketts line
This is a thread about the cemetery
She has also posted about the surnames in the Blackfoot Cemetery https://saponitown.com/topic/traylortraillour-lines/
The Skinner surname is one that caught my attention because it was one of three middle names of my grandmother’s grandfather, who passed our Blackfoot oral history. It seems history is sometimes passed through these lines by preserving surnames as middle names or sometimes first names. Years ago I started an analysis of the surnames in the Blackfoot Cemetery. Your reply motivated me to finish it this morning. These are about 900 interments in the Blackfoot Cemetery and over 200 surnames if you include maiden names. These are the top 100 surnames (3 or more ancestors):
Name Total
Mason 121
Thompson 39
Skinner 31
Allman/Allmon/Almon 29
Cash 26
Wade 26
Beatty 25
Fleener 22
Julian 22
Coleman 21
Yager/Yeager 20
O’Neal 19
Dyer 16
LeMasters 14
Jordan 14
Couts 13
Ricketts 13
Riddle 13
Minnis 13
Owens 13
Simpson 13
Thiering 12
Green\Greene 11
Allen 10
Cato 10
Webster 9
Wilder 9
Roger\Rogers 9
Johnson 9
Coe 8
Manning 8
Bolin 8
English 8
McConnell 8
Williams 8
Grubb 8
Oliver 8
Dersch 7
Ferguson 7
Gieselman 7
Thurman 7
Riester 7
Spencer 7
Claridge 7
France 6
McCrary 6
Nixon 6
Rowland 6
Stocker 6
Harbin\Hardin 6
McGregor 6
Taylor 6
Faries 6
Kinder 6
Miller 6
Wilson 6
Bryant 5
Chansler 5
Denton 5
McCormack/McCormick 5
Burnett 5
Fella 5
McQueary 5
Perry 5
Reed 5
Steele 5
Carter 5
Mabrey 4
Polk 4
Pollock 4
Roach 4
Roeder 4
Runyan\Runyon 4
Alley 4
Doerner\Dorner 4
Richardson 4
Riley 4
Gentry 4
Blackford 3
Duncan 3
Edrington 3
Hamilton 3
McKnight 3
Montgomery 3
Pancake 3
Pipes 3
Quick 3
Ragle 3
Reister 3
Russell 3
Shelton 3
Shoultz 3
Stuckey 3
Watkins 3
Whitney 3
Baize 3
Burch 3
Corn 3
Crooks 3
Martin 3
Nossett 3
Black 3Sapony Church AKA Sappony Church AKA Sappony Episcopal Church in McKenney, Dinwiddie County VA
from https://www.archinform.net/projekte/49356.htm Sappony Branch arises about a mile east of the present town of McKenney on Highway Number 1, south of the town of Dinwiddie. Near this point was built in 1727 Old Sappony Church, where Protestant Episcopal services still are held. About a mile south of the old church, on a slight elevation on the east side of the road, stands a two story residence formerly occupied by Gardner Ledbetter (1786-1866), a great grandson of the original Richard and wife Hanna. https://www.seekingmyroots.com/members/files/G004304.pdf
Sappony Meeting House AKA Sappony Baptist Church AKA Sappony Primitive Baptist Church in Suusex County on Concord Sappony Rd near Sappony Creek
from https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=18852from Distant Voices As Heard From The Water’s Edge
https://duplin.lostsoulsgenealogy.com/family/bone.pdfThe formal establishment of the church had followed the founding of a fellowship, because on Dec. 12, 1801, Edward Ballard had given the Elder’s use of the land “where the Sappona meeting House now stands” – for as long as they “shall keep or cause to be kept up on said land a house for the worship of God*”
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John and Sarah “Sally” Winstead Poland (Polland) were members of the Falls of Tar River Baptist Church, and after August 17, 1804 members of the Sappony Primitive Baptist as was Elizabeth Winstead Bone, wife of John.
Williamson Poland’s wife, Mary was a member of Sappony as was Elizabeth Poland Joyner and her husband John. Attendance at this church proved to be a real family affair.
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Sappony. six miles south of Nashville, was established in 1804 by 26 members dismissed by letter from The Falls of The Tar River Baptist Church The church was constituted on August 17, 1804 by the following twenty-six members:
Elder Jordan Sherrod
Edward Ballard – (John Bone’s close friend. Nelson Bone’s father-in-law)
Mary Polland – (John Bone’s daughter)
Jane Sherrod
John Vick – (Elizabeth Winstead Bone’s brother-in-law)
Susie Vick – (Joseph Winstead’s daughter)
(Elizabeth Winstead Bone’s sister)
Elizabeth Bone – (John’s wife. Nelson’s mother)
Nathan Joyner
Nancy Joyner
John Polland – (Elizabeth Winstead Bone’s brother-in-law)
Sally Polland – (Elizabeth Winstead Bone’s sister)
John Joyner – (John Polland’s son-in-law)
Elizabeth Joyner – (John Poland daughter)
Lucy Bottoms
Sarah Bofer
Samuel Hunt
Rhoda Hunt
Lewis Joyner
Josiah Melton
Martha Melton
Henry Atkinson
Grace Edwards
Annie Hambleton
Christian Knight
William Dawes
Joiner Venos
Listing provided by J. B. Williams. Pastor.——-
On October 3, 1832. Nelson Bone, son-in-law of the late Edward Ballard conveyed to Granbeny Vick and Jethro Harrell in behalf of the United Baptist Church at Sappony Meeting House, a parcel of three acres on the road leading from Atkinson’s bridge to the bridge across Sappony Creek near Jacob Barnes’ at the Meeting House…
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Nelson Served as Justice of Peace in 1837, 1851-1855. and 1857. Nelson’s wife died in the 1820s, he married a second time, to Niccy Batchelor who died in 1865. There was no issue of the second marriage. Nelson died in July of 1866
Photographed By Bernard Fisher, May 9, 2009One strategy I also use is researching the least common surnames/variants first. It is less work to trace a name like Canada (a Kennedy variant) than Smith or Jones.
For example I had a discussion with Rick Haithcock years ago and he told me a series of names that were together at Fort Christanna, and after it closed, together in NC. But Canada was the only surname in that group that was less common.
Later I was able to trace a specific Canada ancestor to the same time, place and Monthly Meeting in Indiana as my family. Looking on the census from that County in Indiana I saw the other surnames that were associated in NC. But if I had been trying to search just that list of surnames it would have been very hard to link the group in NC to the one in IN. It was much easier to trace that one ancestor with a relatively uncommon name.
The Eastern Siouan diaspora is an endogamous community. It can be hard to identify specific lines more than seeing all the connections to the larger community.
In terms of DNA matches, you could create groups by family surname to help cull them down. I have groups created by surnames on my mother’s mother’s side and my mother’s father’s side. I also use the notes section to reference matches with a specific ancestor in their tree. Often I can use those to see that all or most of my matches to descendants of a specific ancestor are on a certain line of my tree.
For example I have ‘Old Ned’ in notes for descendants of Old Ned Sizemore here, and of the matches I do have in a surname group – they are all on the ‘Indiana Jones Smith” side of my tree:
So this suggests to me the side of my tree that my relation to Old Ned Sizemore is on is my mother’s mother’s mother Inez Louise Smith. I was able to build a reliable DNA matching group for her because we have multiple samples on multiple lines of her descendants. Me, my sister, my mother, my uncle, my 2nd cousin 1x removed, two second cousins 2x removed. Even when I see different surname groups, there always seems to be one that has way more matches than the others.
Hi Dwayne,
Here are some SaponiTown threads that reference Southside VA Evans in Mecklenburg:
https://saponitown.com/users/Ga-Nc%20Collins/ iv. Martha, married Charles Evans, 17 August 1796 Mecklenburg County, Virginia bond, Kinchen Chavous security.
https://saponitown.com/users/ctgray/ They originated in places like Halifax, Surry(Va), Mecklenburg, Prince George, Goochland, Amherst, etc….., but my Evans and Mitchell branch go over to Granville County and Chowan in N.C.
https://saponitown.com/users/alani2/ CHARLES EVANS, born perhaps 1695, received a patent on 20 August 1747 for 120 acres on Stith’s Creek in the part of Brunswick County which became Lunenburg County in 1748 and Mecklenburg County in 1765;
Brannon, Chavis, Evans, Redcross – Brunswick Lunenburg County Connections
https://saponitown.com/users/alani2/ CHARLES EVANS, born perhaps 1695, received a patent on 20 August 1747 for 120 acres on Stith’s Creek in the part of Brunswick County which became Lunenburg County in 1748 and Mecklenburg County in 1765 https://saponitown.com/topic/brannon-chavis-evans-redcross-brunswick-lunenburg-county-connections/
Many of my DNA matches have trees with other Saponi surnames as well, so I’m trying to determine if I have a direct connection. I would be glad to share info or receive suggestions on where to look. Thank you! Erica
Hi Erica, Welcome to Saponi Town.
Surnames that show up frequently in DNA matches can be a clue. Are the certain names that stand out in your matches?
-Marc
ECU Notes: QAR lab partners with Waccamaw Siouan Tribe to conserve 930-year-old canoe
The Queen Anne’s Revenge (QAR) Conservation Laboratory at East Carolina University’s West Research Campus is home to thousands of artifacts from the 300-year-old wreck of Blackbeard’s ship. Now it’s also home to an even older piece of North Carolina history — a Native American canoe discovered in Lake Waccamaw.The canoe is about 30 feet long and about 930 years old, based on carbon-14 dating, said Kim Kenyon, lead conservator with the QAR lab. Made of a single tree, it is essentially a hollowed-out log. Native Americans in North Carolina would have used fire to fell the tree and to carve out the inside, Kenyon said.
https://news.ecu.edu/2023/06/08/early-nc-artifact/
1,000-year-old canoe recovered from N.C. lake moves Waccamaw tribe members to tears
‘An opportunity to actually handle and touch our history is just a blessing,’ says Waccamaw Siouan Tribe chief
Sheena Goodyear · CBC Radio
When Michael Jacobs first laid eyes on a canoe his ancestors expertly crafted a millennium ago, he says he “couldn’t do nothing but cry.”
Jacobs is the chief of the Waccamaw Siouan Tribe in southeastern North Carolina, where a team of archaeologists and tribe members and local residents recently pulled a 1,000-year-old canoe from the water.
“For the Creator to allow us an opportunity to actually handle and touch our history is just a blessing. I mean, it’s overwhelming,” Chief Jacobs told As It Happens host Nil Köksal.
More at: https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/waccamaw-ancient-canoe-1.6815398