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September 19, 2023 at 11:42 pm in reply to: Powhatan Wahunsonacock Kocoum Powhatan (Patawomeck Tribe) 1545-1618 #67194
I scanned some of your blog. I descend from Paul Bunch the elder and his son in law Thomas Holder, who was mentioned in his will in 1726. We are not related to PUNCH. Punch was a surname that did continue in slave records in that area for quite a while. Obama stole their legacy just so he could boost his ratings among the people. Slave records are hard to find in that respect, but in wills they are mentioned as being bequeathed with the name Punch, first and surname. Also in that area were other people named Bunch that very well could have been the parent of the Bunch legacy. Joanne Puzzello goes into detail in her blog of these Bunch people that were ignored by ancestry.com. There was no need to find a morphed name to make things fit.
I have been in contact with other Bunch descendants that carry the EM2 haplotype and they are related to other EM2 Bunch men in England who have a very lengthy genealogical chart in England going back a very long time. The African connection is actually very old. Britain was settled by many African men from the Roman Empire before the fall of Rome.
A Bunch cousin in Indiana has been pulling up data that certainly has the narrative changed. He is most closely matches to descendants of Henry Bunch and Vardy Collins and is a descendant of Micajah Bunch, the King of the Melungeon’s. His overseas matches are mostly Saudi Arabian, a common source of EM2 men. He is also connected to Egypt. My own DNA carries Coptic Egyptian and North African according to 23 and me.
What has really confused him is the Barbados Bunch connection. They have old Spanish ties to Spain. Also his ancient match to an EM2 Afro-Mayan Monk who died in Mexico City in the late 1500 to the very early 1600s has him scratching his head. Em2 is actually very common among the Mayan.
The Bunch family does have a very old oral tradition of being related to the paramount Powhatan chief. It was recorded or copied by Jack Goins.
I heard from a Bunch cousin out of Kansas that contacted the Oconeechie. They told her that the only Bunch they recognize as Saponi are those two that were on grants, namely Jeremiah and Henry Jr in 1779. It does not matter who else was there, like the Holder cousins to Jeremiah. Thomas Holder Jr. was actually their before them. They assume only the mother of those two were Saponi. Assume!! And assume that their father was just black and white. False assumption get you know where. Research has shown that their assumptions are false. Like the Bunch that went to South Carolina that was in the Racoon Company of Marion’s Raiders as Cheraws (Saponi), with Gideon Bunch Jr., who likely is a cousin, I know his wife is my cousin. That is, Henry’s nephews and other close kin, and are part of the Peedee tribe.
I have been in contact with a Bunch cousin in Crawford Indiana that descends from Micajah Bunch, his father was Gideon Bunch son of John, son of Paul the elder. He is also descended from the Riddle, Sizemore, Collins, Cornstalk, etc. Interesting research he is sharing.
Of course I am from Susannah Bunch Holder, whose husband was mentioned in the will of Paul Bunch in 1726.
Long standing oral tradition has been the Bunch were kin to the Chief Powhantan. I know it to be true. The Cherokee have become ethnocentric, especially Cornsilk who is running for Chief. He states only Cherokee can determine who is Cherokee, but hypocritically he now tells everyone else who they are as well. You are not Indian unless he says so. HA HA!
I was curious as to how Rabbit fit into the family. And I thought I figured out Lorenzo Dow….
Within the vicinity of the Bunch grants in Orange were also Holder cousins, sons of Susanna Bunch Holder. This older Susanna Bunch is a daughter of Paul Bunch. Her husband was named in Paul’s will as Thomas Holder along
with a Thomas Holdbee who was likely still Thomas Holder. Thomas and Susanna were in Norfolk, VA during the 1732 tax listing and possibly there during Paul’s death. Moved to Bertie county by 1735 along with some Bass and William Lovinia, who was on the 1732 tax list of Norfolk’s Westron Branch and later a neighbor of the Holders. The Holder in various records are also called Holden, Holderby, Holderby, Holdbee,etc.November 23, 2022 at 2:25 am in reply to: Catawba, Saponi, Melungeon: Snow Once Fell Here but it has Melted #66930
I plan on buying it to add to another book I have of his.
On my King and Boone with ties back to the Meherrin and Nansemond.
The Bell family mentioned had land next to Meherrin town on Potecassi creek. Col. Robert West was a trader to Meherrin and Tuscarora. My Michael King chose him as guardian, four younger siblings were with James Castellaw until turned over to Robert Bell. Castellaw was an interpretor for the Tuscarora and his son John married Tuscarora Butler. Michael King married step daughter of Bell. His son Michael is the father of my 5th great Joseph King.
When asked why they attacked the Meherrin, the Saponi chief stated that a white man told him the Meherrin and Tuscarora were one and the same. Virginia colonial records.
Meherrin men were on the Tuscarora council, like Nick Major. Meherrin did go north with the few Tuscarora that did establish the Sixth Nation.
King mentioned in records
John King, Indian for Indian rights to hunt on lands abt. 1695
Robin King a Meherrin great man in 1726
Son kidnapped by Saponi, killed 12, taking revenge on Tuscarora
Wat King on Tuscarora lease
Thomas King with William Cope Indians jurors for John Cope trial, a Christian Blount’s town Indian.
I am a Meherrin King descendant traced back to Michael King from Norwich and his wife Elizabeth Carey or Hare. Chief Brown stated that Michael King and Elizabeth Ferguson were Meherrin, my 6th great grandparents. I have been researching the Meherrin and putting together a historical overview for the tribe as well as an expanded timeline, for the last three years. Just about everyone in the modern tribe is a King descendant.