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Has anyone found any miliatary records etc that list the Sixsapaha , (various spellings), and the Saponi (various spellings) together in the same pages?
So far I have not found these two tribal names together in old records etc, when they are listed together it is in “examinations” of language etc well after the fact, usually during the last 100 years.
Does anyone one have any ideas of where to look for more records.
According to the Carlson Disertation the so called “Christian Saponi” was followed starting in Old Fincastle County, Virginia. Now that was later divided and our “Christian Saponi were then found to be in Montgomery County, Virginia. The records that appear to be few and far between are those of Old Fincastle County which I am told are housed at the University of Wis.
The Collins ( George, David, Lewis, Meredith, and one other Collins whoes first name was unreadable on the entery roster) joined Captain James McDaniel’s Fincastle Company in 1776. All five entered the same day and in the same district. That fifth Collins could have been Elisha or one of the John’s that later are with them in Montgomery County in 1777-1780. Carlson told me he found the RW record on my Meredith in DC and was going to send me a copy after Christmas. I believe this company was made up of mixed bloods that main job was to protect the frontier and that is why there is not much written about them. I have checked for years trying to find out anything about Captain James McDaniel’s….one would think a Captain would be written about somewhere in history but if he has been I haven’t found it.
Other names appearing in this company..BEVINS…RIDDLE…..SEXTON…..
Oh yes, I did find a Captain James McDaniel’s (Cherokee Indian) that was later listed in the Civil War. Always wondered if there was a connection.
Tom,
That’s quite interesting.:) I never thought of that. Now I’m gonna’ have to start watching out for this. I’ll snag anything I come across for us.
Brenda,
That Cherokee fellow wouldn’t be so far fetched, would it? How are you, by the way. I hope both you and Tom had wonderful Holidays. Love & Light, Lynella.
Hey Girls! thanks Brenda the info. that you share is always really great, I maybe wrong but our folks back then during the Rw etc were probably looked at a curiosity least, even if they were border gaurds. Some where you’ll find the records that you are looking for, one question though is there not RW buffs like Civil war Buffs.
I’ll see what I can find on James Mc Daniels.
I typed in captain James Mc Daniels Revolutionary war and this came up ………….. Descendants of James Daniel the first……….
was born in Caroline Co. Va.. he was captain in the war of 1812 died 1844 in Illonois.
I know it’s not McDaniels but you know how history is! maybe worth a look, maybe not.
Tom,
You mentioned Civil War buffs & RW and such and it donned on me that I have right here in Bailey, my very own Civ. and Rev. War buff, complete with a rather lovely library of books and info. Tom Glassic, Ex-Denver Bronco, lives about 5 minutes away. That man is phenominal! You know he was the only NFL player to miss the bus to the superbowl he was playing in? This was back in 77, 78 when the “Orange Crush” thing got going. Tom G. Now that he’s retired collects tiny soldiers of all wars from all times everywhere. He hand paints some, has thousands set up all over his house with cannons, boats, wagons, horses, Indians, everything and he created a game where him and Glenn and John Keyworth and a couple of other guys crawl around on the floor of his house for 24 hours solid, sometimes longer re-enacting these wars. Every time Every battle comes out different. Any way, S.O.P!:D I got carried away, I’m sorry! I guess I’ll have to go check out some of his books! Sorry Brenda for interupting. I’m bad when I get carried away like that. Sorry. Love & Light, Lynella.
About the RW….those with money could buy their way out of it by paying someone else to serve for them. There were actually demonstrations by the “common” folks after the declaration of independence. The first thing our founding fathers did was start to inscript men to serve in the revolutionary army, which was one of the very things they had used against the British (forced inscription) to stir the common folks up against them. There were cries of, “Tyranny is tyranny!” and quite a bit of agitation. (from “The Peoples History of the United States” by Howard Zinn).
So, I guess my point is, at least my male ancestors were most likely either serving in the Rev. Army, or high tailing it for the hills to live with the other side of the family. If your family was fairly well-to-do around that time they may have been able to pay someone to serve in their place.
This made for interesting reading about what was going on on the frontier while the war was going on elsewhere. Many of the men serving as volenteers to guard the forts and folks living around them have surnames that appear many times on this forum. My Collins are here along with the Sextons, Bevins, Adkins, Cox, Osborn, Roberts, Rodgers
http://www.ls.net/~newriver/dunmore.htm#Narr
The men of the Upper New River Valley participated in this conflict under their militia captain, William Herbert. Herbert lived in present day Wythe County near Austinville, where he was involved in mining activities until he died in 1776. Herbert’s militia district included the territory of present Carroll and Grayson Counties. The role of Herbert’s company is fairly well documented in the Draper Manuscript Collection. The first reference to Herbert’s company was a Letter from Colonel William Christian to Colonel William Preston proposing the construction of a fort at the mouth of the New River (Kanawha). This June 22, 1774 letter notes that the construction could be accomplished in a week by Captains Herbert, Crockett, Trigg and Robertson’s companies.3 A circa July 3, 1774 note from Preston to Christian regarding reported murders of traders by Cherokees, and the fearing that the Cherokee would form an alliance with the Shawnee and drive the settlers out of the Holston River Valley. Captain Herbert and Madison should draft 50 men from each of their companies to join with the men already conscripted for the defense of the Clinch and Holston.4 Whether or not the draft was issued is not known. On August 9, 1774 Major Arthur Campbell appealed to Colonel William Preston for further assistance, noting that the Indians had attacked and done some damage on Sinking Creek (in Washington County) and that the inhabitants were being gathered into stockades.
In 1774 David, Elisha, Lewis, and John Jr & Sr Collins were listed in this company. By 1776 George, and Meredith also join these men. I BELIEVE that John Collins Sr. is the elder and possibly the father of these guys. Bill what do you think?
Brenda Collins Dillon wrote: According to the Carlson Disertation the so called “Christian Saponi” was followed starting in Old Fincastle County, Virginia. Now that was later divided and our “Christian Saponi were then found to be in Montgomery County, Virginia. The records that appear to be few and far between are those of Old Fincastle County which I am told are housed at the University of Wis.
The Collins ( George, David, Lewis, Meredith, and one other Collins whoes first name was unreadable on the entery roster) joined Captain James McDaniel’s Fincastle Company in 1776. All five entered the same day and in the same district. That fifth Collins could have been Elisha or one of the John’s that later are with them in Montgomery County in 1777-1780. Carlson told me he found the RW record on my Meredith in DC and was going to send me a copy after Christmas. I believe this company was made up of mixed bloods that main job was to protect the frontier and that is why there is not much written about them. I have checked for years trying to find out anything about Captain James McDaniel’s….one would think a Captain would be written about somewhere in history but if he has been I haven’t found it.
Other names appearing in this company..BEVINS…RIDDLE…..SEXTON…..
Oh yes, I did find a Captain James McDaniel’s (Cherokee Indian) that was later listed in the Civil War. Always wondered if there was a connection.
Gosh, everytime I read one of Brenda’s posts:(
Bless her for what she has left us and when I see her face, I smile, cuz she reminds me of my family, Nicholas Co. and a time and place that holds more stories…many more, I can’t wait to hear:)
I notice in her first paragraph she speaks of Carlson’s dissertation and how Saponi were to have been in Montgomery, VA (I must have missed this in my reading, and my aunts have my book right now, or I would look it up). This is interesting, because some of my tree, my Anderson’s come to mind immediately, were there prior to Tazewell and Buchanan, VA.
Anyone know of Saponi history in Montgomery, VA?
Shirley
Brenda Collins Dillon wrote: This made for interesting reading about what was going on on the frontier while the war was going on elsewhere. Many of the men serving as volenteers to guard the forts and folks living around them have surnames that appear many times on this forum. My Collins are here along with the Sextons, Bevins, Adkins, Cox, Osborn, Roberts, Rodgers
http://www.ls.net/~newriver/dunmore.htm#Narr
The men of the Upper New River Valley participated in this conflict under their militia captain, William Herbert. Herbert lived in present day Wythe County near Austinville, where he was involved in mining activities until he died in 1776. Herbert’s militia district included the territory of present Carroll and Grayson Counties. The role of Herbert’s company is fairly well documented in the Draper Manuscript Collection. The first reference to Herbert’s company was a Letter from Colonel William Christian to Colonel William Preston proposing the construction of a fort at the mouth of the New River (Kanawha). This June 22, 1774 letter notes that the construction could be accomplished in a week by Captains Herbert, Crockett, Trigg and Robertson’s companies.3 A circa July 3, 1774 note from Preston to Christian regarding reported murders of traders by Cherokees, and the fearing that the Cherokee would form an alliance with the Shawnee and drive the settlers out of the Holston River Valley. Captain Herbert and Madison should draft 50 men from each of their companies to join with the men already conscripted for the defense of the Clinch and Holston.4 Whether or not the draft was issued is not known. On August 9, 1774 Major Arthur Campbell appealed to Colonel William Preston for further assistance, noting that the Indians had attacked and done some damage on Sinking Creek (in Washington County) and that the inhabitants were being gathered into stockades.
In 1774 David, Elisha, Lewis, and John Jr & Sr Collins were listed in this company. By 1776 George, and Meredith also join these men. I BELIEVE that John Collins Sr. is the elder and possibly the father of these guys. Bill what do you think?
Another good one for these surnames, these Adkins are most likely mine as the time and place seems right for them. However, the link is no longer available:( Will have to do some searching…
Shirley
sammarroq wrote: However, the link is no longer available:( Will have to do some searching…
Shirley
Hi Shirley,
Check out this link…
http://home.southwind.net/~crowther/Cocke/PointPleasant.htm
About 1/3 of the way down, is where the above quote starts under the header “CAPTAIN WILLIAM HERBERT’S COMPANY”. It also lists all the men in his company.
Stacey
stacey.23 wrote: Hi Shirley,
Check out this link…
http://home.southwind.net/~crowther/Cocke/PointPleasant.htm
About 1/3 of the way down, is where the above quote starts under the header “CAPTAIN WILLIAM HERBERT’S COMPANY”. It also lists all the men in his company.
Stacey
Thanks so much for the link Stacy:)
Shirley
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