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AGGIE AND MOSES ARE MY 5TH GREATGRAND PARENTS AGGIE WAS
BORN CIRCA 1733 ALBMARLE CO. SHE MARRIED MOSES DAMRON
1755 IN THIS AREA I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT TRIBE IN THIS
AREA USED THE SURNAME OWL. AGGIE AND MOSES IS ALSO LISTED IN PAT SPURLOCK ELDER BOOK – MELUNGEONS; EXAMINING AN APPALACHIAN LEGEND IT ALSO SAYS IN THIS BOOK
THAT THIS MOSES DAMRON LINE MARRIED INTO THE GOINS LINE
IN STOKES CO NC- PAGE 250-251.
THESE DAMRON’S CAME TO THIS COUTRY EARLY TO MID 1600’S
IN THE CHESAPEAKE BAY WERE THERE IS TODAY A AREA CALLED
DAMERON’S MARSH THEY WERE KNOW TO HAVE MARRIED NATIVE
WOMEN EVEN TO THIS DAY I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
1. WHAT TRIBE AND ANY POSSIBLE KIN CONTACT OF AGGIE OWL.
2 WHO THESE GOINS LINE WAS AND ANY KIN CONTACTS WITH
THEM.
LEE
Hi, Lee, Welcome to the Forum,
Did descendants and allied families of this Moses Dameron/Damron + Aggie Owl line also marry descendants of Cornelius ROBERTS’ lines, as well as MULLINS, KEESEE/KEYSER/KISER, DAY, GIBSON, COLLINS (Ashe Co., NC), CAUDILL, MEEKS and HARDIN among others??
[many of the more recent (1800s) ones in Floyd, Pike and Letcher Co., KY.]
Bill
p.s…. Albemarle Co was created in 1744 from Goochland Co, so you might want to look in that county’s records altho I didn’t see any OWL (or variations) in the meager records I have, many of those records might be in Henrico Co’s records.
Bill
GREETINGS BILL
MOSES AND AGGIE HAD SERVERAL CHILDREN ONE WAS LAZARUS
DAMRON WHO WAS A SCOUT AND SPY IN THE REVOLUTION WAR
IN KY ON THE BIG SANDY AND SOUTHWEST VA HE HIS MY 4TH
GREATGRAND FATHER LAZARUS HAD A SISTER THAT MARRIED
JAMES ROBERTS AND THEY HAD A SON CORNELIUS YES YOU ARE
TALKING ABOUT THE SAME DAMRON LINE.
MY LINE LEFT KY EARLY 1900’S RICHARD DAMRON SR. AND HIS
WIFE MARGARET CASTLE AND SETTLED IN WHITE OAK OK –
CHEROKEE NATION WERE MY GRANDPA RICHARD DAMRON JR.
MARRIED ROSA FRAZIER A ENROLLED CHEROKEE IN OK ALSO
SERVERAL OF THESE SIBLINGS MARRIED CHEROKEE’S IN OK SO
I HAVE GOT A STRONG NATIVE CONNECTION TO OK THAT IS WERE
MY MOTHER WAS BORN.
LAZARUS SISTER THAT MARRIED ROBERTS WAS NANCY DAMRON
THANKS FOR ANY HELP AND THE INFO YOU HAVE GIVEN.
LEE
Richard Damron Jr. married grandmother in White Oak OK her name is Rosa Frazier born 1903 Deleware District Indian Territory
she is on Dawes 1M her mother is Ruth Frazier Herrod she is on
Dawes 7497 she is also on the 1896 Old Settler Payment Roll i will
give the lineage on this family it is well documented on the rolls
back to 1700’s and see if i pick up any kin i have had good luck in
the past so let’s go;
Rosa Frazier m. Richard Damron Jr.
Ruth Fraizer Herrod m. Enoch Frazier – Ruth Frazier – 1896 Old Settler Payment Roll that is she received payment for her mother
who was deceased by 1896.
DE-LE-MA Jones m. Josiah Herrod – DE-LE-MA Jones is on the 1851
Old Settler Roll she was the dau. of;
Unknown Cherokee m. William Jones – William Jones is on the 1851 Old Settler Roll -DE-59 – William Jones was the son of;
James Jones Sr. m. Mary Standridge – James Jones is on the 1817
Emigrantion Roll he left Nick-O-Jack and was in Ark by 1829 – Carroll Co he is buried on the White River.
Thomas Jones m. Elizabeth Wilkerson circa. 1770 in the Old 96th
Lower Towns S.C. – Elizabeth Wilkerson Jones is on the 1817
Emigration Rolls as Elizabeth Jones she left from Nick-O-Jack Tenn.
she was the dau. of;
Edward Wilkerson Sr. m. Wolf Clan Mollie in the Lower Towns S.C.
Lee
Lee,
I don’t know how I missed your Feb 13 posting. Sorry.
A Grt-Grt Grandfather Thomas Vardeman Webster, b. 1848 Grant Co., Ky., m’d Louisa ROBERTS, dau of Cornelius “Neal” Roberts, b.1820 Ky (and Seniah, b.abt. 1829 Ky), son of James Roberts, son of Cornelius “Neal” Roberts. I can not prove that the early Cornelius Roberts is the one who filed a land patent on the west side of Beaver Creek opposite the Wells’s on Grassy Creek on the Va/NC border in 1769, but it’s probably the same one.
Louisa’s father Cornelius had a Leanna, b.abt. 1795 Ky in his 1850 household but the family said she wasn’t his mother but a woman he m’d later in life. I had concluded that Cornelius’s father James m’d more than once, with his first wife probably being a Damron, altho I had only quessed at Damron based on geography, allied families and associations, and don’t have anything to support my supposition.
I haven’t found anyone before that would claim them 🙂
The only OWL spelling variations I have been able to find are a number of AUL in 1790s Fincastle Co., Va., who m’d Duncan’s (related to Wilburn’s & Wright’s), Owen’s (related to Wilburn’s, Robinson’s & Ross’s) and Hale’s (related later to Price’s), Duncan, Wilburn, Wright’s being allied families in my lines from S.W. Va and E.Ky.
Bill
Hi!
one of the many children of Lucy Daniel Allen and William Melton Sr., who was born on the Haw River, Orange co NC July 31, 1761,
was Mary Garey Melton born Dec 11 1785. Married John Roberts born May 18 1778. They were married in Greene co Ga. There are many Roberts children from this marriage and many more to follow. Going back that far I wonder if John Roberts born May 18 1778 would be connected to any Roberts here…
Haven’t found John Roberts parents…
Sue J
James Roberts Sr. m. Nancy Damron Dec. 27 1790 Russell co.VA
I heard that there is a old road record what ever that means in
Albemarle Co it names a James Owl also Moses Damron and his
sons are also on it i been trying to obtain a copy any ideas.
Brent Kennedy told me through e-mail awhile back that it was no
doubt in his mine that Aggy was native american also in a orbit
i have of Samuel Damron it say’s is grandmother was Aggy Owl
was this area around the Buffalo Ridge Cherokee area?
LEE
I am a descendant of Moses Damron and Aggy Owl. At this point, I know very little about Aggy Owl. I would like to think that she was Native American but have yet to see enough evidence to support, or not support it. As far as I have seen, there is only one source for her name. It has been stated that it was an obituary of Samuel Damron but it was actually an article published in the 1 April 1896 issue of the Ceredo Advance , a newspaper in Ceredo, Wayne County, West Virginia. The article was sent to the newspaper with no identification of the sender. The text of this article appears on a webpage at http://ddfa.org/aggyowl.htm.
Has anyone identified the book that names Moses Damron and James Owl in connection with early roads in Albemarle County, Virginia?
It is frustrating to know so little about Aggy.
thanks,
Charles
When I posted the url to the The Name of Aggie Owl the wife of Moses Damron of Russell County, Virginia, the period ending the sentence was included in the URL for some reason. Remove the period so that it reads
Thanks,
Charles
A footnote about Thomas Goins in Pat Spurlock Elder’s “Melungeons: Examining an Appalachian Legend” states:
“The Christopher Dameron family married into this Goins line at least by 1780 and continued to do so after arriving in Tennessee. The Moses Dameron line also intermarried and came from Albemarle County where in 1749 Moses was listed in his father Lazurus Damron’s will. Dated 29 September 1749 in Saint Ann’s Parish, the will names these children: Moses Damron, John Damron, Judith Damron, Hannah Damron, George Damron, Winifred Thomas wife of John Thomas, and granson Charles Thomas. Judith received bed and furniture bought of Richard Hall. Teste: John Tuley Jr, John Peter and Wm. Creasey (Abstract courtesy of the late Sandy Hall) . Hannah and Judith married into the Spurlock family. The Dameron, Goins, Mallet, Spurlock, and Stallions families came to Northeast Tennessee and Southwest Virginia about the same time. Traditionally, each has Indian, French-and-Indian, or Black Dutch ancestry, but no traditions of being Melungeon or evidence they were historically considered so. Neither is there a shortage of Agnesses or Zachariahs in these families. Although undocumented, Moses Dameron’s wife is believed to have been Aggie AUL. Is this possibly a connection to George All Sizemore? Was Aggie’s maiden name taken from the German UHL, OHL, or AUL? Alternatively, was she from the Indian “Owl” clan? Of interest are tax lists pertaining to the Botetourt-Montgomery County area.”
She goes on to list the 1773 Montgomery Co, Va Tax List, John Montgomery’s list, where Moses Damron is one of the households listed as “living on Indian Land” :
Robert Baker
Micajah Bunch
Amburs Collens
Samuel Collens
George Collens
Charles Collens
Moses Damron
Isaac Little
Hugh Smith
On this same Tax List are
David Collens
Elisha Collens
John Collens
Lewis Collens
John Collens Jr
William Hash
John Hash (2)
Ephraim Osborn
Stephen Osborn
Jonathan Osborn
Robert Osborn
Enoch Osborn 2
Timothy Rourk
The text of the will:
“IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN, I Lazrous Damron of the parish of St. Ann’s, county of Albemarle, being of perfect mind and memory, praise be to God, do make and ordain this to be my last will and testament in manner following: I most humbly bequeath my soul to God, its maker and redeemer and my body to the earth to be decently buried at the discretion of my executors hereafter mentioned. I give and bequeath to my son Moses Dameron all my houses and all my land to him and his heirs forever, and in case of his death without lawfully begotten heirs, then I give and bequeath all my houses and all my lands mentioned above to my son John, to him and his heirs forever, and in case of his death without issue lawfully begotten, then I give and bequeath all my houses and lands above mentioned to my daughter Judith Dameron to her and her heirs lawfully begotten forever, and in case of her death without issue, then I give and bequeath all the above houses and lands to my grandson Charles Thomas to him and his heirs forever.
“Item: I give and bequeath to my son Moses Damron my boy John Ward during the remaining part of his apprenticeship and in case of his death _______ I give and bequeath the residue of the said John Ward’s time to my son, John Dameron. Item: I give and bequeath to my son John Dameron my second best bed and furniture and money scales and also my boy English McCoy till the expiration of his apprenticeship.
“Item: I give and bequeath to my daughter Judith Dameron the bed and furniture I bought from Richard Hall, with her mother’s box iron heaters. I also give her one young mare and her increase. Item: I give and bequeath to my daughter Hannah Dameron my third best feather bed and furniture and a mare called Tebb and her increase. Item: I give and bequeath to my son George Damron one shilling sterling. Item: I give and bequeath to my daughter Winifred Thomas one shilling sterling. Item: My will and pleasure is that the residue of my estate herein mentioned be equally divided between my son John Damron and my two daughters Judith and Hannah Dameron. Item: I desire that neither of my daughters, Judith or Hannah, after their marriage, shall have anything to do upon my premises. Item: My desire and will is that my estate be not appraised. Item: I constitute and appoint my son John Dameron and my son-in-law John Thomas executors of this my last will and testament, In Witness Whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 29th day of Sept. in the year of our Lord MDCCXLIX (actually, it seems to have been 1748).
LAZARUS DAMERON.
“Signed sealed and delivered by the said Lazarous Dameron for his last Will
and testament in presence of us who were present at his signing and sealing hereof:
“John Peter William (X) Grafly
John Wiley, Jun.”
This will was proved 14 Feb. 1749. Bell lists witnesses as John Thomas, John Thomas Jr.
This will is abstracted in “Notes from the Family Bible of John W. Carter,” by Gladys M. Bloyd, 513 7th Street, Moundsville, W. Virginia, referring to the “Carters, Tapscotts, Damerons and Emersons.” It is an account of the descendants of John W. Carter 1778-1861, son of Thomas Carter of Lancaster County, Va., and of Mary Smith Dameron of Nelson County, Va., his wife. P. 8 says: “Mary Smith Dameron may have been descended from Lazarus Damron b. 1690, d. 1749, Will 29 Sept. 1748, proved 14 Feb, 1749, son of George2 and of Lawrence1. Lazarus married Elizabeth Smith, had Moses, John, George, Judith, Hannah, Winifred. (Albemarle W.B.A. Ref. 322A3K2, p. 2.) “Apparently the descent is from Moses listed as 4th generation.
— SNOW’S DAMERON-DAMRON GENEALOGY.
Hannah Dameron, daughter of Lazarus, married John Barlow. (Marriage performed by Rev. Robert Rose.—The Diary of Robert Rose. A View of Virginia by a Scottish Colonial Parson, 1746-1751. Ralph E. Fall, editor & annotator. McClure Press, Port Royal, VA: 1977.
Judith Dameron, daughter of Lazarus, married Noble Ladd. —VIRGINIA MARRIAGES, 1700-1799. Cecil D. McDonald, compile. Seattle. —DAMERON-DAMRON FAMILY NEWSLETTER, volume 9, p246.
Hash/Day/Mullins/Creech/Hall/Polly:
I understand that there was a lot of intermarrying from the Pocohantas Powhowtan tribe and the Cherokees. I am the 3G-Grandaughter of William Riley Hash on my maternal Grandmother’s side. I am also the 2 g-grandaughter of Sara Sally Day who married Elijah Lee Creech. My G-grandfather John Calvin Sturgill married Emmaline Louvina Creech. I am the 4 G-grandaughter of Mary Agnes Mullins who married Edward Polly. It was my understanding from my Grandfather Edward Stugill that Hash’s, Creech’s and Day’s were of of NA decent. He stated to me as a little girl that his Grandmother was cherokee. I just do not know which one is was. It was either Sara Sally Hall or Susanna Sally Day (Creech) My Grandmother Jacquiline Carter Sturgill told me that her Grandmother Martha Lou Hash (Carter) was cherokee. She is Riley Hash and Clemmy Peak(e)’s girl. My Grandmother and her parents were listed in the Guion Miller Roll. They were not eligilbe #1 They moved off indian territory #2 DNA testing was not available. So I know that NA bloodline exists, I just do not know how it ties in. I will continue to study and research. Any help would be appreciated.
Day/Creech:
Any information on the Day Family of Va/Ky would be appreciated. I am looking for the parents of Susans Sally Day. She married Elijah Lee Creech and moved to Wise Co. Va from Grayson Co. Va. They lived in Letcher Co. Ky for awhile too. This the the Grandparents of Edward Sturgill of Wise Co. Va.
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