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March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #1415
Hi Guys,
Once again I would love to thank Bill for all of his help!
Below is a link that I found on the Meadors family.
http://www.geocities.com/wmdangilbert/danmeador.html
Hope you enjoy.
Shannon:p
March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #13925Looks like there is a connection between what census records list for your ancestors and the MEADORS website.
Hope Dreaminghawk can place these.
Bill
March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #13929Sorry I forgot in my last post…
I have been told that there are four “Clans” of Meadors in Ky. Many of them used similar or same name when naming their children, which makes it difficult to research. Also, the line that is in the last post, does not mention indian, and I know for a fact that the Meador line I am from has indian. Also, my Carter line has indian. Dempsy’s mother spoke no english and was a Fullblood indian. So…it seems that I might be close, but still have much work. 🙂 LOL – This is going to take time.
I have good news. My Grandfather made a book with a lot of information on both Carters and Meadors. Now it is just getting my Aunt to find it and make copies (she is slow in doing anything so it might be sometime before I get this).
Shannon
March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #13930Bill says>>>>> Hope Dreaminghawk can place these.
This appears to be the same family but the “Daniel” lines are conspicuously absent….. for the original Meador to be Daniel but this website to not show any continuation of the given name Daniel goes against the naming conventions of that time. Is that because Daniel and Isham and Ransom came to NC rather than KY?
Several names of note that do tie the families together are:
Sarah MARIAH Meador b ABT 1743 and Thomas’ wife KEZIAH Moberly……… also there is an Isham b 1775…. though my Isham was born before then and residing in old Granville co, NC
March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #13939Shannon,
An Indian living apart from a Nation would have been considered legally White or listed as Mulatto. Rarely will you find them listed as Indian.
Bill
March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #14056Hello,
I’m newly registered and don’t know if I’m doing the correct thing in replying.
I wanted to address Shannon and her post, and to Bill Childs.
First of all, I’m a Meaders descendant whose ancestor came from NC (probably the Haw River region, but no proof, yet)
His wife was from Alamance Co. NC.
His name was Barnabus Meaders, his wife was a Garrison.
There has never been a whisper of NA or mixed blood in this side of my family.
My mother would faint, if she knew I even wondered about it.
But, I have often wondered, knowing how they lived in the hills of GA. They were well known as potters and artisans. The Foxfire Group even made a film and published a book about them.
I do genealogy as a profession and even though I don’t have much time to do my own, this has been a difficult line to trace.
In doing a couple of years of research for a family that is most definitely NA, I can agree with Bill that the race designation will change from year to year and according to the whims of the census taker. One, even went from “White” to “Black” and skipped the whole FPC tag, completely:rolleyes:
O.K., I will hush, just wanted to get my “1 cent” in (not worth the “2 cents” tag)
🙂
This is a great forum and have just begun to explore the many subjects and messages.
Thanks, Suze
March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #14062Hi Suze, Welcome. Don’t know how you found your way here but are you refering to the Barnabus Meaders/Meadors, d.1861 Banks Co., Ga.? If so, don’t tell your mother. 🙂
Bill
March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #14064Hi Bill,
Oh, yes, he’s tthe one. What do you know about him?
I lost him in 1820 and of course, no census for 1810 or 1820. But, he is on the tax list for 1811 and 1819 for GA.
At no time does he show up as fpc in the census and the photo I have of his daughter, my whatever great grandmother shows no physical trace of mixed blood.
His father was John Meadows/Meaders, etc. who married Molly Justice in NC.
John is with Barney in the 1881 tax list but the 1819 list is so bad it is hard to tell if John is listed or not. Don’t know when John died but Molly died in Banks Co. also. No date known.
I’ve been to the area several times and found a lot of things but, have so many there, it is hard to do everything in a “visit'”.
Hope someone on the forum knows of this family.
Thanks, for your reply. Bill.
Sue
March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #14065Correction to the last post.
Even though my text shows that I did say 1811. It comes up 1881, in the posted version.
Hope this shows correctly. It is supposed to be 1811 tax list not 1881.
Sue
March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #14077Hi Suze,
This will be a long post – Sorry, but a lot of information…
I am still working on this. I signed up for a Free 2wk Trial at Ancestry.com. At this website, a person had my GGG grandfather, Middleton Bluford Meadors and traced his family line back to around 1290 in England. Here is what she had…
Middleton Bluford Meadors: B. 09-23/24 – 1855 D. 10-23-1912
Wife: Martha Ellen Hinkle-Meadors
Father: Alexander Meadors: b. Abt 1831 d. Jan 1880
Mother: Nancy Sego-Meadors: b. 1822 or 1827
Alexander Meadors, Middleton’s Father — Whitley Co., KY
F: John Middleton Meadors b. 03-23-1812 d. 10-8-1894
M: Jane Anna Smith b. abt 1806
John Middleton Meadors — Whitley Co., KY
F: Edward Moberly Meadors b. Abt 1784 d. 1839
M: Abigail Thomas-Meadors b 1790/1792
Edward Moberly Meadors — Anson Co., N.C.
F: Thomas Meadors b. 1737 d. 08-28-1817
M: Keziah Moberly-Meadors
Thomas Meadors — Essex Co., VA
F: Jason MeadoWs b. Abt 1704 D. 1776
M: Elizabeth Stone-Meadows b Abt 1711 d. 2 dates 1776 1778
Jason MeadoWs — Essex Co., VA
F: John Meadows b. 1658 d. 11-23-1721
M: Aubrey ? Meadows b. 1678 d. BEF Oct. 17, 1721
John MeadoWs — Lancaster Co., VA
F: Thomas Meadows b.1638 d. 4-1664
M: Sarah Hoskins-Meadows
Thomas Meadows Jr — Lancaster Co., VA Note: The descendents of this Thomas were taken from the gedcom file of T Patton Biddle
F: Thomas MeadoWs SR b. 1612/1613 d. June 1658
M: Sarah ?-Meadows
Thomas Meadows SR — Born: in Suffolk Co., Bristol, England
Notes: Info copied from WFT #468:
THOMAS MEADOR, SR. CAME TO THE NEW WORLD IN 1636, PROBABLY LANDING AROUND THE 1ST OF JUNE. JOHN GATER PAID HIS PASSAGE AND HE LANDED AT ELIZABETH CITY COUNTY, VIRGINIA.
ON JUNE 2, 1663, HE CLAIMED PATENT TO 320 ACRES IN RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY, VA. THE LAND WAS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF HOSKINS CREEK “NIGH A PATH THAT GOETH OVER THE MAIN RUNN OF SD. CR. UNTO THE PLANTATION OF JOHN GILLETT & C. TO W. MOST TREES BELONGING TO JOHN GREGORY. TRANS. OF SEVEN PERS: HENRY HOLMWOOD, LEWIS WILLIAMS, WALTER PRICE, EASTER WATSON, THOMAS PAGGITT, ANN AUSTIN.
**I also have a copy of the Will of this Thomas.
F: Ambrose MeadoRs b. abt 1580 England d. 1670 VA
M: Unknown
Ambrose MeadoRs — b. Avon, England D. Rappahannock Co., VA
NOTES: Occupation: tobacco farmer Note:
Src: WFT #468
NOT MUCH IS FOUND IN THE RECORDS ABOUT AMBROSE MEADOR, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT HE , HIS WIFE (NAME UNKNOWN), AND SERVANT ARRIVED IN VIRGINIA IN LATE MAY OF 1636. IT IS PRESUMED THAT HIS SON THOMAS ARRIVED ON THE SAME SHIP, HOWEVER THOMAS WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ADULT AND POSSIBLY MARRIED AT THAT TIME. HE TRADED PART OF HIS HEADRIGHT PROPERTY FOR THE COST OF HIS WIFE’S AND SLAVES PASSAGES. THAT WAS A VERY COMMON PRACTICE AT THE TIME OF THE COLONIZATION OF THE “NEW WORLD”. A HEADRIGHT WAS 160 ACRES, AND WAS GRANTED TO THE HEAD-OF-HOUSE UPON ARRIVAL. THEY HAD TO WORK THE LAND AND MAKE IT PRODUCTIVE FOR 15 YEARS BEFORE THEY COULD “PATENT” THE LAND. THEIR NAMES WERE KEPT ON A “RENT” ROOSTER UNTIL THE END OF THE 15 YEAR PERIOD. IF THEY BARGAINED FOR MORE THAN ONE HEADRIGHT, THEN THEY SERVED 15 YEARS FOR EACH AND THEY COULD NOT SERVE THEM CONSECUTIVELY. THEY HAD TO BE SERVED ONE AFTER THE OTHER AND ALL LAND WAS HELD UNTIL THE END OF ALL THE 15 YEAR PERIODS.
AMBROSE SURRENDERED 150 ACRES TO PETER JOHNSON ON JUNE 1, 1636 FOR THE PASSAGES PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT AMBROSE DESIGNATED HIS “SONN” THOMAS AS HIS “TRUE ANS LAWFULL ATTORNEY” IN HIS “PLACE AND STEAD” TO APPEAR FOR HIM IN COURT AND AWARDED THOMAS 300 ACRES OUT OF ONE THOUSAND ACRES SOLD TO HIM BY A MR. JAMES WILLIAMSON AS PAYMENT FOR HIS WORK. AMBROSE USED A LARGE “M” AS HIS MARK FOR ALL LEGAL PURPOSES. THOMAS APPARENTLY WAS LITERATE AS IT IS RECORDED ON LEGAL DOCUMENTS THAT HE SIGNED HIS OWN NAME. WE ALSO KNOW THAT THOMAS THEN SIGNED OVER 150 ACRES OF THAT LAND TO A MR. RICHARD TOMLYNSON. ALL LEGAL DOCUMENTS STATE THE FOLLOWING CONCERNING LAND TRANSFERS: “GIVE GRANT BARGAIN AND SELL UNTO..(NAME OF PERSON) …(AMOUNT OF LAND) LYING AND BEING ON …(LOCATION OF LAND) WITH ALL THE HOUSES PRIVILEDGES THEREUNTO BELONGING ACCORDING TO THE TENNOUR OF BY THE RENTS AND SERVICES UNTO ..(PERSON) HIS HEIRS AND ASSIGNES FOR EVER AGAINST ALL PERSONS CLAIMING BY FROM OR UNDER ..(ORGINIAL OWNER) …
(SPELLING ERRORS ARE COPIES OF ACTUAL DOCUMENTS, NOT TYPO ERRORS.)
THESE TRANSACTIONS TOOK PLACE BETWEEN LATE 1657 AND SEPTEMBER 1658.
Ambrose has been identified as a member of the Puritans of the Jamestown Colony. He called his plantation “Accokeek”, an Indian name.
Comment 1
ILLITERATE
F: Daniel Medowe b. abt 1560 England
M: Unknown
Daniel Medowe — England
F: William Medowe JR b. abt 1534 Rushmere, Suffolk England
M: Agnes Margaret ?-Medowe b. abt 1538 d. 1588
William Medowe Jr — Rushmere, St. Andrew, Suffolk, England
F: William MEADOWE Sr b. 1504 married 1529
M: Isabel ?-Meadowe b. abt 1508
William MEADOWE Sr. — Rushmere, St Andrew, Suffolk, England
F: John MEADOWE b. Abt 1476
M: Margaret ? Meadowe b. abt 1480
John MEADOWE — Martlesham, Suffolk, England
F: Jeffery De Medewe 3rd b.abt 1452 married abt 1477
M: Unknown
Jeffery De Medewe 3rd — Witnesham, Suffolk, England
F: Jeffery De Medewe 2nd b. abt 1400 married 1441
M: Margaret Fairfax-De Medewe b abt 1430 married 1441
Jeffery De Medewe 2nd
F: Jeffery De Medewe 1st b. abt 1323 Witnesham, England
M: Unknown
Jeffery De Medewe 1st
F: Robert De Medewe b. abt 1290 England
Well, that is it. She does list many sources and I need to research them. I am still learning how to do all of this.
Now I have to find the Carter side of my family.
Bluford Harrison Carter
f: Dempsy (Dempsey) Albert Carter
M: Dora Alice Meadors-Carter – Possible Part – Blackfoot Indain
Dempsy is where I am having a hard time. I was told that his fathers name was Alf Carter and that he was born and raised on a Cherokee Reservation in NC. That he was smuggled into KY and then he purchased land near Parkers Lake in KY. After that he mail ordered his bride: Kathalina. I was told that Kathalina was more than likely Cherokee. That is all of the information I have.
How hard is it to trace Births on Indian Reservations?
Sorry the post was so long. 🙂
Shannon
March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #14084Hi Shannon,
Thanks so much for replying!
I don’t know anything about the KY Meadors family. Mine were all in NC and GA. But, it is interesting that you have a Middleton. That name is carried in my Fanning line which was in Amelia Co. VA>Caswell Co. NC>Lincoln Co. TN.
In the data that you sent from the Meadors site it said:
A HEADRIGHT WAS 160 ACRES, AND WAS GRANTED TO THE HEAD-OF-HOUSE UPON ARRIVAL. THEY HAD TO WORK THE LAND AND MAKE IT PRODUCTIVE FOR 15 YEARS BEFORE THEY COULD “PATENT” THE LAND. THEIR NAMES WERE KEPT ON A “RENT” ROOSTER (SIC) (It was a rent roll/roster) UNTIL THE END OF THE 15 YEAR PERIOD. IF THEY BARGAINED FOR MORE THAN ONE HEADRIGHT, THEN THEY SERVED 15 YEARS FOR EACH AND THEY COULD NOT SERVE THEM CONSECUTIVELY. THEY HAD TO BE SERVED ONE AFTER THE OTHER AND ALL LAND WAS HELD UNTIL THE END OF ALL THE 15 YEAR PERIODS.
My Note:
A headright was a contract done by a person paying the way for one or more persons passage from England to the colonies. The person paying the passage received 50 acres per person whose passage was paid.
So, in this case, if there was 150 acres, it was for 3 people whose passage was paid.
( I’m wondering if she is confusing this, with a 160 acre homestead patent?)
And, even then, they only had to live on and improve the land for 5 years.
But, to continue on the headright subject—-
The sponsor/person paying the passage got the 50 acre headright and the person whose way was paid either repaid the sponsor,on arrival, or served 7 years as an indentured servant.
If he/she was an adult, a child under 21 had to serve until his 21st birthday)
He didn’t get a choice of whom he/she served for, either. The Sponsor could and did, sell the headright to others for money or merchandise (tobacco for instance)
After the person served his indenture then, he could claim another 50 acres for himself.
If the indentured person was not married at the time of his passage and indenture, he was not permitted to marry except on the permission of his “master”.
It was often given, because a “master” got the wife as a servant also. A two-fer, if you will.
I don’t know where the “15 years” comes from. I would like to see the citation for that. Everthing I’ve seen and studied says 7 years.
This can all be found in “Henings Statutes at Law, for Virginia”
The series of books “Cavaliers and Pioneers” by Nugent, is most helpful in doing early VA emigrant research.
And, more in “Swem’s Index” and “Adventures of Purse and Persons”
There is a lot more on the headrights, etc. of Virignia that can get really confusing and after over 40 years of doing this, I still may not be getting all of it right. 🙂
And, it is all “clear as mud” to you, I’m sure
I will double check on some of this and get back to you.
I do know about Ambrose.and Thomas I have tried to track them, also.
I may have more on them than is on the website.
Because of the variations in spelling this line has been a real challenge, hasn’t it?
Speaking of which, I hope mine is o.k. I get carried away and my fingers don’t go as fast as my thoughts..
Thanks for all your data, I will see if I can copy mine and send to you. Maybe there will be a link, somewhere.
Do you prefer I email you, privately?
Thanks again!!
Suze
March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #14087Suze… welcome to the forum. I would prefer that you post the info on Meadows/Meaders/Medders as I am also having trouble with this line and I still live on the land they owned in old granville co, NC ;-). Please search this forum for what has already been posted ( There is a whole thread on the granville/person lines) Please feel free to add to, contradict or otherwise comment wherever you wish. My line is Groves Meadows married 17 Jan 1855, Susan Clements, Groves’ father Daniel. I have amassed all info from this area that I run across. The original brothers that came to granville seem to be Daniel, Isham, Ransom and maybe Benjamin. Thanks for any light you can shed on this surname.
Ken
March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #14090Suze,
Thanks for all of the information. I would love to see your line so far. I only have the Ancestry Access for few more days. Can anyone give me a heads-up on what I should be looking for?
LOL – I think I am trying to do too much at one time.
Anyway, I want everyones opinion on Ancestry.com. Plus, has anyone gone to a Latter Day Saints Church to help? I was told that their religion is based on Ancestry. Should I take the time to go?
Just any information on how you guys did your research would help.
Thanks,
Shannon
March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #14104Thomas MEADOWS m’d Kezziah MOBERLY.
Suze’s John MEADERS, b.ab. 1760, (m’d __ Justice) is reputedly the son of Thomas and Kezziah. (Shannon’s Middleton descends from them also. The two of your would appear to be cousins.)
John’s son Barnabus MEADERS, b.1783, d. 1861; m’d 20 Sep 1805 Franklin Co., Ga (parent county of Banks), Jane Candice GARRISON, b. 1785, Alamance Co., NC (Haw River runs thru it), d. 1879 Banks Co., Ga.
Jane GARRISON’s parents:
Jedediah GARRISON, b.1748/50 Haw River, Alamance Co., NC, d. 1829 Franklin Co. (parent Co. of Banks), His wife:
Jane WILLIAMS, b.?, m’d abt. 1774 Orange Co., NC.
Those are LDS files; often make good ‘road-maps’, always have to be verified.
March 4, 2005 at 2:45 pm #14109Hi All,
I’ve been working today for others, and just didn’t have time to get back to you all. Thanks so much Shannon for your post. I will see what I have in my library that can help you.
Thank you too, Bill.
I do already have that info on my Meadors/Garrison lines.
Some of it is a bit different than what you found at the family search site, thanks very much though, I didn’t expect you to do searches for me…!!!
I would like to know if you have anything on them being ndn, however?
Jane Garrison didn’t have a middle name. Candace Garrison married Christopher Meadors.
My deceased cousin who was LDS submitted all this for Temple work. But, she did get some things mixed up.
I have Grandmother Jane Garrison’s bible and photos, family memoirs and the Garrison’s published a book several years ago, with the best documented sources for that family.
Now, to answer Shannon’s question. I use Ancestry.com and Genealogy.com, and any other online genealogy resource site that is available, like familysearch.com, they are imperative for my work, when it is some locality that I can’t get to or don’t have the resource material for, at my home.
It can be expensive but, if I get all that they offer, I get discounts and the newspapers are really something that is wonderful.
So, yes, I use them, even if they are frustrating sometimes. (I only can get dial up, where I live)
I’m not LDS but I have volunteered many years at the Family History Centers in the areas where I have lived (that has been in many places too)
Long before there were census indices for us to use and before the internet, that was ALL we had, and I still find things that aren’t available, elsewhere.
This is a short descendant tree of my line. As you can see, I just don’t have much entered into my computer, on the Meadors.
(lI have hard copy in my file cabinet but, we are still unpacking from a move)
I’ll try to dig out some of the material that hasn’t been entered, and get it online.
My Meadors married with Quillians and Chitwoods in GA.
The Quillian (Quillen) line is VA-GA Methodist, with lots of Methodist Preachers, as you can see, if you know the names of some of the old time Circuit Preachers. My family didn’t name after brothers and sisters, etc. They named their kids after preachers… 🙂
Which reminds me, the name Clements is the name of one of them. It is used over and over in some of the family lines.
And, I saw the Clements name in your posts.
1 John Meadors 1750 –
.. +Mary “Molly” Justice
2 Barnabus Meadors 1783 – 1861
… +Jane Garrison 1785 – 1875
. 3 Christopher (M.) Meaders 1808 – 1886
….. +Candace Garrison 1817 – 1893
… 4 D. A. Meaders
… 4 John M. Meaders
… 4 Julia Meaders
… 4 Molly Meaders
… 4 Jane Meaders
… 4 Sally Meaders
… 4 Louis Q Meaders
… 4 Barnabus R. Meaders
… 4 N. L. Meaders
… 4 Fanny Meaders 1829 –
… 4 Elizabeth Jane Meaders 1834 – 1894
……. +Wesley Fletcher Parks 1831 – 1864
. 3 Martha Jane (Jincy) Williams Meaders 1820 – 1916
….. +Osborne Phillips Quillian 1816 – 1898
… 4 Sarah Malinda Quillian 1839 – 1890
……. +James Jefferson Chitwood 1834 – 1906
… 4 James Meaders Quillian 1841 – 1862
… 4 William Fletcher Quillian 1843 – 1905
……. +Lucy Ann Vail 1847 – 1932
… 4 George Knox Quillian 1845 – 1890
……. +Ella Smith 1849 – 1890
… 4 Asbury Chappell Quillian 1848 – 1921
… 4 Harwell Parks Quillian 1850 – 1924
……. +Mary Elizabeth Oliver
… 4 Martha Jane Quillian 1852 – 1936
……. +Leonidas Franklin Finger
… 4 Mary Elizabeth Quillian 1855 – 1881
……. +Clayton C. Quillian 1858 – 1899
… 4 Osborne Benson Quillian 1858 – 1893
……. +Fannie Smith 1851 – 1930
… 4 Barney Milligan Quillian 1858 – 1878
… 4 John Wiley Quillian 1861 – 1934
……. +Lucy Zachry 1863 – 1955
… 4 Julia Ann Quillian 1864 – 1864
. 3 Keziah Malissa Meaders 1827 – 1900
….. +Fletcher Arnold Quillian 1825 – 1864
… 4 William Anthony Quillian 1846 –
… 4 James Tarpley Quillian 1849 –
… 4 Henry Milton Quillian 1851 – 1931
……. +Alice Estella Smith 1852 – 1918
… 4 John William Quillian 1854 – 1885
… 4 Joseph Asbury Quillian 1856 – 1948
……. +Mary Clifford 1858 – 1925
… 4 Fletcher Arnold Quillian 1859 –
… 4 David Daniel Quillian 1862 –
O.K., Have to do a bit more work tonight. So, must get off here and make a client happy.
Thanks to all of you for your imput.
I’ll get back as soon as I can.
Suze
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