Hart and Sizemore families before 1800

Bill,

Thanks for responding. I have been looking at the collection of information I have and the connection between Catherine Hart and her father and I do not have the proof I would like to have, but here is what I know so far.

I suspect that two researchers, Ron Blevins and Irene M. Baldwin, both used the Eastern Cherokee Applications from the Archives (summarized by Ralph Shuler) as proof of the connection between Catherine and James Hart. ECA Application #11450, for example, by Catherine Hart, b. 1829, daughter of John Hart and Nancy Floyd, says that her father, John, was the son of James and Catherine Hart and lists their children as Ned, John, Sam, Washington, Marga, and Catherine. This last child would be my Catherine who married Joseph Baldwin. However, this application also claims that Catherine (wife of James Hart) is the daughter of Ned Sizemore. Many of the ECA’s claim this generation to be Ned’s children and Ron Blevins and Irene Baldwin both correct this in their research – Ned is her grandfather and George (Ned’s son) should be her father. In-other-words, many of the ECA applications leave a generation out. Ron Blevin’s suggestion about this is that the family Bible may have left NC when the elder boys of one generation of the family moved to WVA. The only reason I can think that so many families put in ECA’s under Ned Sizemore thinking he was Cherokee was because they were living in and around Cherokees. My mother grew up thinking there was a Cherokee squaw somewhere in our ancestory – it’s a deeply rooted, and apparently incorrect, legend.

I need to order a copy of the census, but right now I am looking at Ron Blevin’s information on the Sizemore family at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~craingen/SIZEMORE2.html. The document title is Sizemore Legend and Fact2. On page one there are excerpts from the 1800 Ashe Co, NC census page 87 and the 1810 Ashe Co, NC census page 4, and the 1820 Ashe Co, NC census page 16. I can’t tell which information goes with which year in this format. There is a J. Hart 45+ wife and 4 children 3 females 10/15 1 female 45+ page 10 4 females 0/9 7 children. Also listed in the same paragraph there is a James Hart 45+ 1 female 26/44 1 female 26 – 44 5 children. Although I can’t read this very well it appears that there are female children listed.

For now that’s the best I can do. Thanks for helping,

Cheryl

My mother’s mother is a Baldwin and I have some known information on that line. There seems to be several Baldwin lines in western NC – at least one white and one black (per photos), but I haven’t noticed info about an Indian connection with that surname. My mother’s comment – “we don’t look Indian.” I guess it depends on what Indians you’re talking about. This is all very interesting. Here is my Baldwin line starting with my grandmother:

Ethel Baldwin daughter of

James Nelson Baldwin b. May 30, 1860, Ashe Co, NC., and Rebecca Elizabeth Graybeal, b. Feb 21, 1862, Ashe Co, NC. Both died in Remington, VA.

James is the son of

John R. Baldwin, b. Feb 14, 1835, Ashe Co, NC married to

Susan Frances Kilby, b. April 22, 1838, Wilkes Co, NC. John was a Civil War vet and ran J. Baldwin and son General Store in Silas Creek.

John is the son of

William D. Baldwin (nickname ‘Bill Buck’), b. c 1812/13, Ashe Co, NC married to

Margaret Stringer (nickname Peggy), b. 1808?, Ashe Co, NC. Both died in Grayson Co, VA.

William had 7 slaves.

William is the son of

Joseph Baldwin, b. 1789, Ashe Co, NC married to

Catharine Hart, b. c. 1790, Ashe Co, NC.. Both died in Grayson Co, VA. The dates for these two are still ‘pencilled’ in in my records- not proven to my satisfaction.

Also penciled in I have –

Joseph is the son of

Elisha Baldwin, b. before 1745, d. before 1810, married to ____ Laxton, b. after 1765.

Elisha is the son of

JohnBaldwin, b. before 1725, d. Nov,. 6, 1794.

Somewhere (can’t put my finger on it at the moment) I have a copy of an Eastern Cherokeee Application saying that one of these generations lived on a Cherokee reservation. It was a denied application.