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Hello,
I am looking for information on the Collins families for my husband’s grandmother.
Her name is Edna Holland, born 1936 in Warren County, Kentucky.
Her parents were Hugh Cellous(? not sure spelling is correct) Holland and Clara Pearl Kitchens, born in 1895 in Warren County, Kentucky.
Clara’s parents were:
Jesse Grant Kitchens, born 1865 in Warren County, Kentucky
Martha Jane Collins, born 1873 in Leslie or Clay County, Kentucky
Jesse Kitchens parents were:
Jesse Kitchens, born 1840 in Clay County, Indiana
Elizabeth (probably Cassaday, daughter of James and Elizabeth, of Virginia), born abt 1832 in Kentucky
Jesse Kitchens, the senior’s parents were:
David Kitchens, born abt 1805 in Tennessee(probably the son of William Kitchens, born bet 1771-1780)
Mary Upton, born abt 1810 in North Carolina
(they were married in Roane County, Tennessee)
Martha Jane Collins parents were:
Robert Collins, born abt 1827/1828 Kentucky?
Mary A. Wilcox, born abt 1828 in Kentucky
(they were married in 1865 in Clay County, Kentucky, probably a second marriage for both of them?)
Robert Collins maybe the son of a Amos, born abt 1790 in Virginia and Marie? Collins.
Emily,
The census of 1850 Clay Co., Ky, Kentucky District; 15 August; p.120A; visit 296:
Amos COLLINS, 60, m, – (W), Farmer, $0, Va.
Mavil……………, 54, f, – , Va.
Nancy…………., 26, f, – , Tenn.
Elizabeth…….., 23 (25?), f, – , Tenn
ROBERT………., 22, m, – , Ky.
Benj……………, 17, m, – , Ky.
Margaret…….., 15, f, – , Ky.
(“Mavil” does look like “Marie”, but on the 1860 Clay co census, she is listed as “Mayvilla”.)
1830 Clay Co., Ky census; p.175:
Amos COLLINS = 1112001 – 202001 – 0 – 0.
Household contains:
1 male under 5.
1 male 5 to 9.
1 male 10 to 14.
2 males 15 to 19.
1 male 40 to 49.
2 females under 5.
2 females 10 to 14.
1 female 30 to 39.
Other COLLINS households in 1830 Clay Co:
Abraham, Bradley, Elijah & Hiram.
I didn’t find Amos in earlier Tenn and will look for him in NC & Va and let you know.
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In 1860 Clay Co., Ky census, there are two Robert Collins listed:
visit 135, on 4 June:
Robert Collins; 30, m, – , Farm Lab., $50, “Clay Co., Ky”
Mary A………..; 25, f, – , Va.
visit 522, on 20 June:
Robert Collins; 30 (35?), m, – , Farm Lab., $50, “Clay Co., Ky”
Mary A………..; 26, f, – , Va.
Abigah Leflew; 6, m, – , “Clay Co., Ky”
I think there is a very good chance that these are the same people who were just working at a different farm, 2 weeks apart.
There are a number COLLINS households in 1860 Clay Co., some ennumerated White and some Mulatto (probably Indian) but some of these switch racial designations depending on which census you look at, and live in near proximity to SIZEMORE, HOLLAND, LUNSFORD and several other families of probable Indian descent.
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This may be your Robert and Mary on the
1880 Leslie Co., Ky census, ED61, 1st Magisterial District; 18 June; visit 221, 242:
COLLINS, Robert; W, m, 53, Farming; Ky, NC, NC.
………….., Mary A.; W, f, 50, wife; Ky, NC, NC.
………….., Ulyers (?); W, m, 11, son, Ky, Ky, Ky.
………….., MARTHA; W, f, 7, dau, Ky, Ky, Ky.
………….., James; W, m, 5, son, Ky, Ky, Ky.
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Hope this helps.
Bill
Thanks Bill,
The one in Leslie County is definetly them, that’s my Martha, and the older brother Ulysses, and little brother James.
I read somewhere on this website, that if they didn’t mark the people’s race on the census, it doesn’t neccessarily mean they were white, right? I had been assuming before I read that, that if it was blank that it meant they were white, so I suppose i should change my thinking a bit. I am wondering what it means if most of the people are blank, but some have marks that look like they may be question marks, even in the same family?
In 1850 census for Buttersville(Butlersville?), Allen County, Kentucky, some of my Lightfoot, Jackson, and Holland families have that in them. Sometimes it is both parents, some is just the mother, and other ones just some of the children, or like some Holland children are listed as blank, but live with a Harris family that have question marks. And one Lightfoot’s 3rd wife, is listed in a later census as not being able to read, write or speak english, and her place of birth is listed as unknown in one census, and her race is not given either. Would that be a good indication that they are mixed then? They own property, so maybe not?
Is Lightfoot a name of any indian families?
Thanks for your help, I appreciatte it, I think that the Amos and Mavilla Collins are the ones I am looking for too. I didn’t suspect that people could be counted twice like that, seems like they would have told the census taker they were already counted, but it makes sense. Thanks
I looked around the 1850 Allen Co census because those question marks would be interesting, and didn’t see what you mentioned. Which specific people were you talking about?
My personal experience is that if the “race” category is blank it doesn’t necessarily mean they were white. Race is such a subjective thing, it is often off the mark even when it is filled in.
Regarding your questions about the 3rd Lightfoot wife.
I’d recommend looking at all available census records of her as well as try to determine who her parents and their’s were, and you still may not have enough information to answer your question but you might. Your listed information isn’t specific enough to look them up. I have seen at least one Lightfoot query about Indians. You might want to try a little experiment….
go to the “Lightfoot Family Forum” on genforum and over on the left hand side of the page, above the message listings, there’s a block “search this forum…” or some such. Type in indian and see what you get.
Owning property was a path to acceptability within a community.
Some were even “rich” by comparison to their neighbors.
Some held elected offices. Some were Judges and Sheriffs.
One of the first two Judges appointed in Kentucky Co (now the State of Ky) Va, was John Floyd, whose mother Abadiah (Davis) was half-Indian from Amherst Co., Va., and John’s son John Floyd was elected Governor of Virginia in 1830.
Census takers were paid a penny or two for each person they listed, so telling the census taker he had already counted them may not have prevented getting counted again.
Bill
look in the 1860 allen county census:
dwelling number 4: Joseph Howell married Elizabeth Duffer, thier son John A. Howell married Susan Elizabeth Lightfoot, thier other son Francis Marion Howell, married Susan’s sister Sarah B. Lightfoot. these lightfoot’s are daughters of William G. Lightfoot, and are sisters to my Ellen Lightfoot, the mother of Hugh Cellous Holland(on his marriage certificate though it is spelled Huselus Holland). Anyway, Joseph, Elizabeth and the first born daughter all have what look to me like question marks in the race column, but the rest are blank. W. G. Lightfoot is household 7, no question marks, but household 11 is William’s mother Sarah “Sally” (Sherry was maiden name) Lightfoot and her mother in law Elizabeth Lightfoot, both of them have question marks in the race column, but William doesn’t and neither does his sister Martha who is in the same household as her mother and grandmother. Another person is Jonathon Davis, household 30, he has the question mark, but no one else in the family. Household 32, Rueben Sherry has it. etc.
other families with question marks are Wadkins, Colwell, Davis, Morris, Gilliam, Houndshell, Glasscock, Butler, Rhoads, etc.
the census taker did mark some people as black, some as mulatto, then there are the blanks(whites?) and then the question marks.
I don’t know Turner Lightfoot’s 3rd wife’s name, just the first 2. wife number one was William G. Lighfoot’s older sister, daughter of John Lightfoot and Sarah “Sally” Sherry, her name was Mary Lucinda “Winney” Lightfoot, then wife 2 was Nancy Bethany Lamb, wife 3 was named Mary E., married between the 1870-1880 census, on the 1880 census she is listed as 41 all kentucky, i think, and can’t read or write, 1900 census the month isn’t given but the year of 1835 is, born in tennesse, parents are blank, and she can’t read write or speak english, married 30 years, so must have been right after the census in 1870.
thanks, i will try that genforum place and see what comes up there.
Those marks look more like a “^” than a “?”
My first reaction was that it was some form of ditto mark but there is nothing in that column to which it could refer so
I’m not certain what the census taker was trying to signify.
It’s just an idea, but someone may have made these marks AFTER the census taker turned in his records.
Hi Emilysalings,
If you scroll down to the bottom of the census record, it gives the counts for the page (No. of white males, no. of white female, no. colored males, no. of colored, females, no. foreign born, no. deaf and dumb, no. blind, and no. insane). For that page, they had 17 white males and 23 white females, so all 40 people on that page were enumerated as white.
I think those “^” marks were tally marks. Notice that everyone that has one was “foreign” born (born somewhere other than Kentucky). Bill is right they could have been put there after the enumerator turned in his records. After the census takers from each township in the county turned in their records, somebody else might have had the job of doing “total” counts for the entire county and that was their way of tracking/counting the “foreign born”.
Stacey
Stacey, I think you’re right. Looking around that census, the “talley” mark idea corresponds to the “foreign born” counts.
Emilysalings:
Do you have the info
William G. Lightfoot4/John3/Claiborne2/John1 ?
and John Lightfoot’s mother as
Elizabeth “Betsey” Wray who marr’d Claiborne Lightfoot on 24 Nov 1786 in Brunswick Co., Va?
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Bill
Hey thanks you guys, thought I had found something there, but thank you for clearing up the mystery of the marks for me. No, bill, I didn’t have that info, I knew William G. Lightfoot’s parents were John Lightfoot and Sarah Sherry, and John’s mother ‘s name was Elizabeth, but after that, I didn’t have anything, thank you for the info, that will help.
From World Family Tree, Volume 6, Tree 2562:
(Trust but verify)
John Lightfoot, m’d _?_. b. _?_
Commissioned Ensign on 27 Nov 1777, Brunswick Co., Va.
d. abt. Dec. 1806 Brunswick Co., Va.
his son:
Claiborne Lightfoot, b. 1765 Dinwiddie (?) Co., Va.
d. 10 Feb 1809 Warren Co., Ky
m’d 24 Nov 1786 in Brunswick Co., Va:
Elizabeth “Betsey” Wray
b.abt. 1768 Va; d. 1864 Warren Co., Ky.
(She m’d 2nd on 10 (or 18) May 1810, John Doyle.)
(I’ve turned up 2 sons of theirs, altho there must have been more children.)
Their son:
John Lightfoot, b.30 Mar 1797 Va; d. 29 Apr 1860 Allen Co., Ky;
m’d 16 Jul 1823 Warren Co., Ky
Sarah “Sally” Sherry, b. 17 Feb 1802; d. 2 Feb 1880 Allen Co., Ky.
(dau of John Sherry and Winnie _?_. Dates unknown.)
Their 6 listed children:
1) William Greenbury Lightfoot, b.14 Jun 1827 Allen Co., Ky, d. 18 Aug 1879 Allen Co., Ky; m’d 18 Oct 1852 Warren Co., Ky;
Martha E. Jackson, b.5 Jan 1835; d.22 Sep 1879 Allen Co., Ky.
2)Nancy Matilda, m’d William Joe Poe.
3) Winnie Lucinda, m’d 29 Mar 1848 in Warren Co., Ky:
Francis Turner Lightfoot.
……….their children:
……….John C.
……….William Paris
……….Henry Jones
……….Squire C., m’d Mary Frances “Fannie” Lightfoot.
……….Mary Magdaline, m’d Andrew Jackson Rather.
4) John M., m’d _?_.
5) Sarah Elizabeth, m’d Thomas W. Jackson.
6) Calvin S. (Smith), m’d Nancy C. Poe.
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2nd son of Claiborne and Elizabeth Wray Lightfoot:
William M. Lightfoot, b.1788 Va; d.20 Aug 1864 Warren Co., Ky;
m’d 10 Sept 1810 Warren Co., Ky:
Sarah Wright, b.1794; d.24 Apr 1863 Warren Co., Ky.
Their children:
William Dorsey, m’d Mary “Polly” G. Stephens.
Josiah “Cy”, m’d Elizabeth Justice.
Harrison L. “Horace”, m’d Nancy Richards.
Simpson, m’d Comfort Poe.
Cyrena, m’d _?_.
Matilda, m’d James H. Richey.
Edith, m’d William Carroll Forth.
Elizabeth, m’d James M.J.A. Justice.
Sidney, b. 29 Apr 1837 Allen Co., Ky, m’d Rebecca Nanny.
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Bill
Con’t:
On another uplink to WFT Vol 6, tree 2562, is a list of children for Claiborne Lightfoot and Elizabeth (Wray) Lightfoot, (dau of John Wray Jr., and _?_ Jarrett.)
1) William M. Lightfoot, b. 1788 Va; d. 20 Aug 1864 Warren Co Ky
m’d 10 Sept 1810 in Warren Co., Ky:
Sarah Wright, b.abt. 1794 Va; d. 24 Aug 1863 Warren Co., Ky.
2) Meredith (“Merredy”) Lightfoot, b.abt. 1789 Brunswick Co., Va;
d. _?_; m’d 23 Dec 1811 Warren Co., Ky:
Marilla Wright, b.abt. 1797 Va; d. 30 Oct 1852 Warren Co., Ky.
(These are the parents of Frances Turner Lightfoot, b. 6 Dec 1818 Allen Co., Ky; d. 15 Jan 1901 Allen Co, who m’d Winne Lightfoot.)
3) Henry Jarrett Lightfoot, b.1793 Va; d. 22 Jul 1861 Polk Co., Mo; m’d 8 Jun 1819 Warren Co., Ky:
Barbara Lambert, b.abt. 1799 SC; d. 7 Mar 1864 Polk Co., Mo.
4) Martha “Patsy” Lightfoot, b.abt. 1795; d. _?_.
m’d 22 Dec 1821 Allen Co., Ky:
William Birdsong, b.abt. 1799 SC; d. _?_.
5) John Lightfoot, b. 30 Mar 1797 Va; d. 29 Apr 1860 Allen Co., Ky
m’d 16 Jul 1823 Warren Co., Ky:
Sarah “Sally” Sherry, b. 17 Feb 1802; d. 2 Feb 1880 Allen Co., Ky.
6) Meda (Midia) Lightfoot, b.abt. 1797 Va; d. 18 Apr 1845 Washington Co., Ill.
m’d 17 Aug 1812 Warren Co., Ky:
Wade Moore, b.25 Nov 1786 Va; d. 2 Nov 1849 Ill.
7) Amy (Amanda?) Anna Lightfoot; b.abt. 1798; d. _?_.
m’d 12 Jan 1814 Warren Co., Ky:
John Birdsong, b. 1792 SC; d. _?_.
8) Nancy Lightfoot, b.abt. 1802, d._?_.
m’d 12 Oct 1818 Warren Co., Ky:
Larkin Forth, (no dates).
9) Robert David Lightfoot, b. 19 Jan 1807 Hawkins Co., Tenn; d. 23 Apr 1877 Warren Co., Ky;
m’d 1) Sarah Stephens, b. 1807 Tenn; d. 29 Jul 1854 Simpson Co., Ky.
m’d 2) on 26 Jan 1855 Warren Co., Ky:
Isabella Morgan, b. 9 Nov 1827 Warren Co., Ky; d. 6 Apr 1909 Warren Co., Ky.
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Bill
Thanks Bill, some of this I had, some I didn’t, one part of it is wrong though, the Elizabeth that married John Doyle in 1810 is Claiborne Lightfoot and Elizabeth Wray’s daughter, Elizabeth, not Elizabeth Wray herself. I get that from the census records, by age the girl who married John Doyle is too young to be Elizabeth Wray, and besides Elizabeth is living with next door to her son Henry Lightfoot, near to John Doyle and her daughter Elizabeth, with her younger children who had not left home yet, namely, John, Robert, and Martha.
1820
U. S. Federal Census
Warren County, Kentucky
page 71, image 43 of 45 on ancestry.com
line 6
Henry Lightfoot
free white males: 1 under 10 years(John Franklin, age 0 years), 1 between 26 and 44 years(Henry Jarret, age 27 years, John’s brother, son of Claiborne Lightfoot and Elizabeth “Betsy” Wray)
free white females: 1 between 16 and 25 years(Barbara Lambert Lightfoot, daughter of David Lambert and Sarah Stephens/Stevens)
total: 3
1 person engaged in agriculture
line 8
John Lightfoot
free white males: 1 under 10 years(Unknown Male(grandson? of Claiborne and Elizabeth?) 1), 1 between 10 and 15 years(Robert David Lightfoot, John’s brother, age 13 years), 1 between 16 and 25 years(John, age 23 years)
free white females: 1 between 16 and 25 years(Martha, John’s sister, age 25 years), 1 45 years and upwards(Elizabeth “Betsy” Wray Lightfoot, widow of Claiborne Lightfoot, John’s mother)
total: 5
1 person engaged in agriculture
page 45, image 17 of 45 on ancestry.com
line 22
John Doyle
free white males: 2 under 10 years, 1 45 years and upwards(John Doyle)
free white females: 5 under 10 years, 1 between 10 and 15 years(Winifred “Winnie” Doyle, child from John Doyle’s first wife, Rosa Horton(sister to Winifred “Winnie” Horton, daughter of Rueben Horton and Winifred “Winnie” Massey, who married John Sherry, father of Sarah “Sally” Sherry, who married John Lightfoot, son of Claiborne Lightfoot and Elizabeth “Betsy” Wray), age 12 years), 1 between 26 and 44 years(Elizabeth “Betsy” Lightfoot Doyle, John’s sister, daughter of Claiborne Lightfoot and Elizabeth “Betsy” Wray, age between 26 and 32 years, born between 1788-1794)
total: 10
2 person engaged in agriculture
Children of Claiborne Lightfoot and Elizabeth “Betsy” Wray:
1. William M. Lightfoot, born abt 1787, married Sarah Wright.
2. Elizabeth “Betsy” Lightfoot, born bet 1788-1794(probably 1788), married John Doyle.
3. Meredith Lightfoot, born abt 1789, married Marilla Wright.
4. Midia Lightfoot, born abt 1791, married Wade Moore(probably the son of Ross Moore).
5. Henry J. Lightfoot, born abt 1793, married Barbara Lambert.
6. Martha “Patsy” Lightfoot, born abt 1795, married William Birdsong in 1821, and had at least one daughter named Sarah, born abt 1823, she died between 1823 and 1824 when William married his 3rd wife Nancy Culp in 1824, his first wife was Malinda Forth, sister to Larkin Forth.
7. Amy Amanda Lightfoot, born abt 1796, married John Birdsong, brother of William Birdsong, sons of Henry Birdsong and Sarah Roundtree.
8. John Lightfoot, born 30 mar 1797 and died 29 apr 1860, married Sarah “Sally” Sherry, daughter of John Sherry and Winifred “Winnie” Horton, sister of Rosa Horton, daughters of Rueben Horton and Winifred Massey.
9. Nancy Lightfoot, born abt 1802, married first to Larkin Forth, brother of Malinda Forth, first wife of William Birdsong, second married possibly(I haven’t checked the second marriage though) to William R. Ritchey/Richey on 13 Jul 1835.
10. Robert David Lightfoot, born abt 1807, married first to Sarah Stephens/Stevens. Married second possibly to Isabella Morgan(I haven’t checked the second marriage out though)
Children of John Lightfoot and Sarah “Sally” Sherry:
1. “Winnie” Winifred Mary Lucinda, born abt 1824, married Francis Turner Lightfoot.
2. William Grunby Lightfoot(William Grunby Lightfoot is the name used in his father’s will), born 1827, married Martha E. Jackson, sister to Thomas W. Jackson, children of Willis Jackson and Julia unknown.
3. Nancy Lightfoot, born abt 1828, married William J. Poe
4. John M. Lightfoot, born abt 1833 and died unmarried and with no issue on 5 Sep 1853.
5. Sarah Elizabeth Lightfoot, born abt 1834 and died bet 1860-1865, married Thomas W. Jackson, brother to Martha E. Jackson, children of Willis Jackson and Julia unknown. she had at least one son, A. R. Jackson, born 1858.
6. Calvin Smith Lightfoot, born abt 1836, married Nancy Poe.
7. Eliza Jane Lightfoot, born abt 1839, married James D. Marcum/Marcrum.
8. Martha “Patsy” Lightfoot, born abt 1840, married on 16 Nov 1865 to Thomas W. Jackson, brother of Martha E. Jackson, children of Willis Jackson and Julia unknown, widower of Martha sister, Sarah Elizabeth Lightfoot.
Children of Robert David Lightfoot and Sarah Stephens/Stevens:
1. Henry Lightfoot, born abt 1829
2. E. J. Lightfoot(female), born abt 1831
3. A. J. Lightfoot(male), born abt 1833
4. William Lightfoot, born abt 1835
5. Noah David Lightfoot, born abt 1837
6. E. Lightfoot(female), born abt 1841
7. Robert Lightfoot, born abt 1843
8. M. A. Lightfoot(male), born 1850
Children of Henry Jarrett Lightfoot and Barbara Lambert:
1. John Franklin Lightfoot, born 1820, married Keziah H. Chapman, sister of Sarah L. Chapman Lightfoot, daughters of David Chapman and Rhoda Hale.
2. Sarah Lightfoot, born abt 1822, married John Pope.
3. Mary “Polly” Lightfoot, born abt 1824, married William Rush, brother of Elizabeth Rush Birdsong(she married Jesse Birdsong, son of John Birdsong and Amy Amanda Lightfoot), children of John Rush and Mary unknown.
4. David L. Lightfoot, born abt 1825, married first to Sarah L. Chapman, sister to Keziah H. Chapman, daughters of David Chapman and Rhoda Hale. He married second in Missouri to Mahala Taylor.
5. Elizabeth Lightfoot, born abt 1826, married Franklin Dixson.
6. Melissa Lightfoot, born abt 1830, married Marion Jackson.
7. Mahala Lightfoot, born abt 1832, married John “Jack” R. Blue.
8. Malinda Lightfoot, born abt 1834, married Isaac Clark.
9. Henry Banister Lightfoot, born abt 1835
10. Nancy Lightfoot, born abt 1838
11. Josiah Lightfoot, born abt 1840, died bet 1853-1860 in missouri, not married and had no children.
12. Barbara Dorothy Lightfoot, born abt 1842
13. Esaau J. Lightfoot, born? and died before 1850, married Nancy Herrington.
Children of Nancy Lightfoot and Larkin Forth:
1. Elizabeth Ann Forth, born 1820
2. William Carroll Forth, born abt 1828, married Edith Lightfoot, daughter of William Lightfoot and Sarah Wright.
3. Sarah Catherine Forth, born 1831
Thank you Bill, very much for your help.
Lightfoot is an old VA name. They were mainly concentrated around the James City Co/Charles City Co area and migrated west/southwest into the Dinwiddie, Prince George Sussex area before moving on into Brunswick Co. Lightfoot is documented as being in Jamestown with the original settlement. They were involved to a certain degree with the trade. I have to admit, I tried to do a google on the Lightfoot name but most of my hits were for the Pottery and the Prime Outlet stores. I live about 20 minutes south of the “Lightfoot” area which is located in the Williamsburg area of VA. What a mess trying to dig up that line in VA. hehehe.
I did find one message on a message board that said that John Birdsong and his wife Amy Amanda Lightfoot were Cherokee, but I haven’t found any proof of it at all. But if she was then that would mean that her brother John would have been too, i guess.
I made a mistake in my previous post, about Thomas W. Jackson and Martha E. Jackson, they weren’t brother and sister, probably were cousins, Martha E. Jackson was the daughter of Willis and Julia Jackson, and Thomas W. Jackson was the son of Samuel and Elvira A. Jackson.
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