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http://colonialancestors.com/harvard1.htm
I went to this site because a friend told me they had seen a John Collins listed. It is interesting but not sure of any link.
Also a question about William and Mary college; did the Presbaterian Church keep duplicate records of students they sponsored going to William and Mary?
This question arises from learning that Saponi people were supposed to have been sponsored at William and Mary.
In trying to research this we find that a fire claimed the building housing the Saponi and other Native American students.
Records were lost in this fire.
If the Presbaterian Church kept any records of transactions dealing with these students it may prove usefull in getting a better understanding of who John Collins was and how he got where he ended up.
That would be worth looking into! If the Presbytarians sponsored students, did any other church sponser any students?
vance
The Morivians, The Baptists, The Methodists, and The Catholics sponsored Native people at Universities. Also it could prove useful to see if any other Universities in the surrounding area educated Saponi people.
I believe that Hampden-Sydney College might have educated natives. It was begun by someone whose family becomes known mixed people who move to VA and NC and west. That person has the surname that was supposed to have brought in the NA in my family and was a Presbyterian minister. The information I have read said it was established to educate frontier people.
Techteach
http://members.aol.com/tawodi/carlisle/page11.htm
I found this link trying to look up my Great Great Great Grandmother Nancy Elizabeth Thompson.
Does anyone know how I can get more information about the Nancy Thompson listed at Carlisle Indian School?
I can research the United Methodist Church records.
I wish that list had told the time frame and age of the students, so we could know when they were born. I know Carlile Indian school was in existence at least into the early part of the 20th century.
vance
Yes it would have been better if they would have added some dates on that site that we could have at least known what time frame to start trying to look.
On another subject, Vance do know anything about the Saponi petitioning the state of North Carolina for Tuscarora lands or to live amoung the Tuscarora some time after the Tuscarora Wars?
I also wanted to tell you that I have some Hawkins family by way of my mom’s side of the family. My Nanie had a brother that married a Hawkins cousin of my Grandad.
My Nanie’s name was Ruth Jonnie Lee Riley Millican and my Grandad’s name was Jesse Lee Millican. Jesse’s cousin was Jean Hawkins Riley. Do you have any Riley relations in Oklahoma or Texas?
howdy Collins,
you asked —
On another subject, Vance do know anything about the Saponi petitioning the state of North Carolina for Tuscarora lands or to live amoung the Tuscarora some time after the Tuscarora Wars?
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Sorry, I don’t. Others might, tho.
About Hawkins and Riley.
My Hawkinses were in Milam, Robertson, and Falls Counties in Texas. Census says the father of this family, Joshua Allen Hawkins, was born in Alabama about 1837. We can’t find his parents.
About Riley, we might have a distant connection, but it is a very long shot. Also it wasn’t through the Hawkins surname. There was a somewhat prominent Cherokee named Looney Riley who signd a petition to get the name of “Skin Bayou District” of the Cherokee Nation changed to “Sequoyah District”. Sequoyah’s English name was George Guess. There was also a “Looney Guess” on the 1880 census of the Cherokee Nation. My great great grandma’s maiden name was Hariet Guess. Hariet and her husband David Brown raised an orphan girl named Nancy Looney, b. 1844. So as I said, that is just a long shot.
vance
Collins,
Here is a link to Carlisle School.
Looks like the NARA is a good source.
http://home.epix.net/~landis/FAQ.html
Sue J
I have also some Hawkins listed in Alabama in my Keel-Whitaker book.
Page 46 says (Info. on Martha Ann Moss and Robert Joel Alverson’s families)
William Lee Franklin Tipton Jr. born Dec 8,1935 Huntsville AL.
He married Anna Margaret Swafford August 21,1958 Huntsville AL.
She was born Feb 22, 1938 Gurley AL the daughter of David Swafford and Annie Sue Hawkins
Page 65 says that Billy Gene Hawkins daughter of L.D. Hawkins b. March 6, 1917 Russelville Arkansas and Clayton Almeadia Keel born Feb 2,1918 Pittsburg Camp County TX
Page 186 talks about Nettie Sue Lee born May 16,1890 married
David Henry Hawkins August 6, 1905 Madison County AL.
He was born April 17,1885 son of Tom Hawkins and Ellen Isabell
Mainly looks like Hawkins family from Madison County Alabama.
saj thanks for the link it will take me a day off to really go through the info there. At least thats a start. Thanks again
hello Collins,
My grandpa hawkins married my grandma, Loney Richey, in 1904 in the Chickasaw Nation near Loco, in what is now southern stephens County, Oklahoma. But he was born in Falls County, Tx in 1877. My great grandpa Hawkins Joshua Allen Hawkins is in census of Robertson County Tx in 1870 where it says b. Al. He died in Milam Co., Tx in 1892.
His wife (Elizabeth Maryann [Byrum] Hawkins, 1849 NC-1926 Tx) told my dad (her grandson) the only time he ever met her, that Joshua fought in the Civil War for the Confederacy, and dad said she showed him an old rifle he used while at war, but I haven’t found any roster of Alabama troops mentioning him. Dad said — “she was a great big red headed woman.” — direct quote. We found her parents in Bertie Co, NC.
I did find a Joshua A. Hawkins in the 8th Arkansas, though. I don’t know how Johsua and Elizabeth met. Maybe his Civil War unit went through North Carolina? Just guessing . . . those soldiers went all over the place.
Vance
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