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I need help!
My Great-grandfather Andrew C. (Asa) Johnson was Cherokee, my Great-grandmother Eliza Jane Collins was Saponi. My mystery is that my Johnson Y-DNA exactly matches the Y-DNA of a family named Carpenter. I have not found the connection yet. This Carpenter family has a family legend of being Native American also.
James Johnson was born 1785 in Halifax VA. and moved to Wayne Co. KY around 1800. Robert Carpenter was born 1809 in TN. and later moved to Ark. This is as far back as we have been able to trace these two men.
Does anyone have any idea of the connection? They would have to be very close relatives to match exactly. As this is Y-DNA the connection would be through the male line.
I also wonder if there was a tradition of Native American sons chooseing to use either their father’s or mother’s maiden name? If so this might explain the different last names. Where I live the Mexican families follow this tradition. One son may choose to have his father’s last name and the other son may choose his mother’s maiden name.
I could really use some help and ideas about this.
Billie Lee
Sure Billie, the Sizemores are an example of this they have Native American Y DNA so it was a NA man and a white female and they all took the Sizemore name which was her maiden name. Another thing is it could have been something they call a paternity event. For example the wife of a Johnson could have had a child before the marriage and he adopted the child. My great grandfather was illigetimate and he took his mother’s name she never married and he grew up in the home of his grandparents. We have no idea who fathered him. But he was red headed and real fair skinned. I actually met him when I was very young.
Linda
I have Carpenters but not likely related. No rumors of Indian that I have heard (however, I would not doubt that there is some either). They come from near Wheeling, WVA and tie into the Swearingen line that is talked about on this forum. You can do a search. The family moves to Guernsey County, OH. However, my grandfather came from MO. There is a tie in the two families many years ago that Bill found, but Grandma’s family had the rumor, not Grandpa’s Carpenter line.
Techteach
Dear Billie Lee,
I lived for many years in Florida.My county had a large % of Hispanic residents.
I’ve studied Spanish on-and-off since high school.(It’s on now:D!)
What I was told is that the family name of one’s father appears where we English speakers would call the middle name and the mother’s family name appears where the last name is.So:
Jose Gonzalez marries Maria Sanchez.Their child would be:
Juan Gonzalez Sanchez.(AKA,Juan Gonzalez-Sanchez)Gonzalez being the child’s paternal (family) name and Sanchez being the mother’s name.
Married women attach the husband’s family name.From our example it’s:
Maria Sanchez de Gonzalez.(“de” means “of”).Maria Sanchez,wife of Gonzalez
Therefore,in the Spanish naming system,a male person,since the mother’s
name appears last,could never be a “Jr.”(Work it out!)
I’ve had some humorous personal experiences with the Hispanic naming system!My middle name sounds like an English surname,so sometimes in the doctors’ waiting rooms they’d call me by that name instead of my actual family
name,which appears last.(Also an English name.)Can’t blame them;they were just following the pattern of their culture!That’s the reason I had to drop my middle name from my business cards also.
The “diffferent names” that you may have noticed in the same family might just be due to some family members using the Hispanic system and others using the English system.
Roca
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Billie
I haven’t pinpointed my Carpenter yet. He married Martha Stewart, also called Martha Smith, in Macon, NC.
I mention this because the area was called Tennessee Valley, and bordered the Eastern Cherokee.
I have found several documents where someone put that my folk were from Tennessee instead of Tennessee Valley, Macon, NC. Just a head’s Up.
akhasa
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