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It has been brought to my attention that there has been some sort of confusion (or something) regarding the replies between posters here on the many forums that we enjoy daily.
I have received private emails regarding those posts, and I have been sent several of those exchanges.
Personally, I feel as though what is said in posts regarding attitudes, beliefs, research and views and positions ,etc of other people or their posts is why we are all here, for feed back etc.
However when people don’t agree with each other it should not be taken to the extreme of sending personal emails to people that have replied in all honesty, often what we say in a post can be misinterpreted, but by keeping the discussion above board and transparent helps to keep us all on a level playing field.
Occasionally I have been asked for an opinion re. someone’s posts in the private message section and would like to make notice that when that route has taken place it is the most appropriate venue for such a dialogue.
However taking replies into private emails unless asked is an invasion of privacy, and should not be done.
If you post here expect a reply, if it’s not what you wanted to hear, then ignore the reply, and remember we are all entitled to our opinions, for each person that is on this web site there is more than one opinion.
Finally, a post always gets a reply and that reply does as well, often this is the cause of “thread migration” and loss of focus, trying to stay on topic is a tuff one but can be done.
Perhaps as a side note or in another thread some of those issues that create thread migration can be addressed.
Staying above board and keeping with the issues is hard because everything we do is connected.
For what it’s worth, have a great day.
Tom wrote:
However when people don’t agree with each other it should not be taken to the extreme of sending personal emails to people that have replied in all honesty, often what we say in a post can be misinterpreted, but by keeping the discussion above board and transparent helps to keep us all on a level playing field.
Occasionally I have been asked for an opinion re. someone’s posts in the private message section and would like to make notice that when that route has taken place it is the most appropriate venue for such a dialogue.
However taking replies into private emails unless asked is an invasion of privacy, and should not be done.
If you post here expect a reply, if it’s not what you wanted to hear, then ignore the reply, and remember we are all entitled to our opinions, for each person that is on this web site there is more than one opinion.
1. Does the term “personal emails” above also include private forum messages?
I believe I have often seen it said in posts here that if you are having a disagreement with someone or if you think the replies are getting too personal I’ve seen you say that you are or that two other people should take it off the forum privately.
2. Where does this fit into the guidelines here in this current thread?
3. “that have replied in all honesty” this seems very subjective. What if the poster feels the reply is meant to personally belittle the poster rather than as an honest and respectful exchange of ideas and feels it is completely off the subject of the thread?
A while back Dreaminghawk said personal attacks against a fellow member were against posting rules.
4. If we feel we are being the victim of such how do we handle that?
”Occasionally I have been asked for an opinion re. someone’s posts in the private message section and would like to make notice that when that route has taken place it is the most appropriate venue for such a dialogue.”
5. Does this mean we tell you of a personal forum message we’ve received that we’re concerned about and you can go in and check it out or we just tell you of it?
“However taking replies into private emails unless asked is an invasion of privacy, and should not be done.”
6. Does this mean we should not forward a personal reply we’ve received to another person via email?
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7. Does this mean we should not send a personal message or email to a member regarding a reply to our post unless we ask them if we can email them regarding the reply or if we ask them to email us regarding the post and reply or the subject?
8. I’ve often seen messages saying “I sent you a personal email regarding such and such” Are we not to do that?
I, for example felt attacked on several fronts under the “I’m Part White But Can’t Prove It” thread. Is it best to address it on the forum or in a private message if you feel the nature of the resulting discussion may embarrass the other person or bring the wrong element to this site through an internet search engine? Also in that instance Ed and I exchanged personal messages with personal information about families and ourselves that we have not revealed publicly for the world to read but seemed necessary for us to understand one another.
9. Is it that a protocol of being invited to discuss a topic privately is necessary before sending these messages?
Under FAQ and Email and Private Messages Use it says a member can send both to fellow members so I’ve done this quite a bit.
10. Is it just if there is a point of contention regarding a reply that we follow these new guidelines?
There is very little tolerance for personal attacks at Saponitown. We are a thinktank devoted to amassing the truth about early colonial life. Being mature adult posters we should expect to interact with respect and politeness without censorship or a babysitter. Recently rudeness, sensitivity, misunderstanding, and disrespect seem to be the new rule. This will not be tolerated. Posters who persist in immature actions will find their rude posts vanishing and may have their posting priviledges suspended. If we need to set up more formal rules we can but hopefully that won’t be needed.
*Post with respect to fellow posters
*Stay on topic
*Keep the chitchat to the “shoot the breeze” forum
*If you aren’t interested in serious research, go away.
*If you can’t add to the topic, don’t post to it.
*We are making history here, folks. We are trying to find truth. Cut the crap.
Simple enough?
Dreaminghawk thanx for responding I can’t always get back to the forum in a timely fashion.
I agree that this is not the place for anything but serious research, the “Shoot the Breeze” forum should be used in that same fashion ” Shoot the Breeze” should be used to air concerns re. where to take research how to approach it or where to look for help with the issues that face the members here and not for “car sales and therapy”, if you need to do either Saponi Town just won’t do either. “Chit Chat” is fine as long is not abusive or degrading.
Once again “be respectful to others”!
Just a word of caution, because one forum may be refered to in a casual or laid back way it does not mean that guests or members can go unchecked there or in any other part of Saponi Town.
I have often asked that if people had a problem with another poster to talk privately. If anyone does not want to be barraged with emails from the forum I would advise them to go into their profile and set their preferences so that email will not be forwarded. There is also an option for accepting private messages on this forum.
I apologize for not being more present. Apparently I need to correct this if the atmosphere is becoming tense around here.
Hello Linda,
Yes, you are missed here. I hope all is good in your life. I had just stopped by to make a post here when I saw your message. I will go ahead and enter what I researched in hopes it is acceptable. It is dated but sounds good to me.
I posted under this thread because I felt it was generated by an exchange of personal messages I initiated regarding this post:
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1976&page=6 Post #84
Saponitown is the only Internet Forum I have ever posted to and will probably remain the only one I ever do. I visited many months before joining and waited 7 months after joining before posting. During that time I read through all of the open forums and many of the archives, partially to become oriented into “how” to fit into the accepted way of doing things here.
My standards of polite communication have always been to speak only for myself, and never provoke an argument and to participate in one only when the aggressor doesn’t accept my attempt to defuss the situation and I feel backed into a corner in self-defense. I envisioned being allowed to express myself and others expressing themselves in manners that don’t lead to judgments, confrontations, provocations or condemnations.
When I am personally judged or challenged in a reply to a post I made and inaccurately accused of something or assigned some thought or emotion or action that is not mine I feel compelled to reply. In certain instances, it seems to me, not replying would lead the reader to assume I accepted it as truth and let the published falsehood stand. I may be overly proficient at self-defense and defense of my people. I will work on tempering my own tongue.
Saponitown is the greatest genealogy site on the Internet. I thought I saw it was also an online community where all aspects of humanness related to the common good were discussed. Many here voice a longing to know how to find their roots that at times seem to just not be documented. It seems there may be limitations to where formal genealogy leads and ends for some, yet they feel in all probability they belong here and have a need for community.
I asked some questions here (perhaps a few too many) that were left unanswered. I searched the site to find the Posting Guidelines I had read previously, here is what I found and had been using myself:
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=618&highlight=posting+Guidelines
Linda wrote: It’s been awhile since I posted the guidelines to this forum, so I guess I’ll bring them forward. Other than outright spammers or hackers I don’t intend to ever ban anybody. “Everybody has something to offer,” is a viewpoint we’ll maintain here. However, it will be a waste of time and typing to post any squabbles, attacks, or in general fuss with each other. We can disagree with each other all day long, but if you’re getting seriously annoyed and need to start raising the volume and ventilating some emotion, take it to private messages.
This is what’s posted and agreed to whenever anybody registers:
Linda wrote: I haven’t gotten around to posting any guidelines for this forum, so I suppose I should.
This place is intended to be a place where people with Native ancestry tracing back to the Piedmont of NC/VA can come and help each other figure out what that means. We’re here to remember and honor our Ancestors, and enjoy each other’s company. Period.
There’s tons of places all over the internet where you can go if you’re looking for a good brawl. Don’t bother looking here, ’cause it just ain’t gonna happen.
I know for a fact that any rude, crude, insulting posts are just going to mysteriously vanish from this forum. I can’t say for sure what happens to them. I know my NDN ancestors have definitely shown themselves to be some very mischievous and adept internet gremlins, so maybe it’ll be them zapping the rude, crudities into cyberspace. Who knows?
By the same token, if you see a rude, crude post sitting here, don’t even bother responding to it, ’cause next thing you know, it will have vanished, and you’ll look like you’re arguing with a fence post.
I hope I’ve made all this clear.
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35&highlight=posting+Guidelines Post #14 (Here is a standard to gauge ourselves by.):
Linda wrote: Why should they know? All anybody reading this will know is what’s written here.
We did not see you speaking your mind. We saw you venting your emotion. There is a big difference. You are free to speak your mind and to SHARE your emotion here. But VENTING emotion on anyone here is not acceptable. Not for anyone.
I’m not going to argue about this any further.
Wachinika,
You say “Saponitown is the only internet Forum I have ever posted to”….
Is the “Wachinika” posting on the Native American Fraud site a different person?
The rules need to apply to everyone including the moderators.
Saponitown is more than a acadamian paradise and I’ve been seeing alot of offenses being put out by the moderators trying to hush people up on the forum. This forum has never been that way until recently. This is supposed to be a safe place for people to come to hash out there heritage in regards to Southeastern Siouans. There are places on the forum for discussions of other Indian topics that may effect us. People can disagree and fine let them disagree, but the moderators aren’t here to bully people and tell us what to post and how to respond unless obscene language is being used or personal attackes. By the way sarcasm isn’t an attack. I don’t think many of the people that have been here on this forum for while are likely to not be serious.
Bill…Well yes that would be a different person because I’ve never heard of the Native American Fraud site :confused: You’re going to have me googling all night long. 😮 Is that all I need to know to find it? I don’t imagine all of the Bill Childs online are you either?
You must have a Black List or something of Bad Indian Sites.:)
The word Wachinika is one of several ways to say Butterfly in Omaha/Ponca.
I started using it when opening a MSN account and seeing the MS multicolored butterfly. Butterfly in Lakota is Kimimila. I’ve seen that around the internet alot too.
Collins, do you recall all of those long emails and private messages that you sent to me regarding another moderator?, perhaps you should send them to him and then hash things out!
This outward attack on moderators only is really quite small.
Saponi Town isn’t for ranting and crying about who said what, I originally joined to share and learn about the Eastern Blackfoot ID, I did not join to baby sit and have emails etc. sent to me re. personal attacks on others including moderators, and I was not always a moderator and believe me I have been corrected several times, and this may be one of them.
Moderators help make Saponi Town a great palce to visit.
I am personally not interested in helping someone “dump on someone” or help them get over their chilhood laments or anything else, if you can’t watch your mouth or what you type that’s not my fault and if the appropriate moderator corrects you expect it.
If someone does (a moderator or member) address an issue that they precieve to be offensive then obviously there was an issue brought forth or was seen by a moderator as being offensive.
Kids if it’s time for your nap then go have one.
No I said that we ” HELP make Saponi Town a great place to visit”!
I have been a moderator for some time now, I like all posters have to be respectful of others and I try to do so.
The original reason why this thread started was because I was sent an abusive note via another member, that message was very rude, so lets stick to the top here.
The topic was “BE RESPECTFUL TO OTHER MEMBERS”!
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