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July 3, 2007 at 6:46 pm #3117
This from America timeline, http://www.angelfire.com/wv2/dillon1944/native_american_timeline.htm
1716–
” In April, 1716, the Saponi had no chief.”
“In 1716 they were ruled by/or governed by twelve of their old men which have the power to act for the whole nation and they will all stand to everything that these twelve men agree to, as their own act.
The Saponi, when talking of concerns of the Nation, they will not treat but their own language, but by an interpreter.”
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These Twelve Old Men, we have heard about “Old Thomas Collins” etc, could he have been one of these “Twelve Old Men”?
Who were the others and where did they go?
Were these men a part of the reason why we have so many divisions of the Saponi-Eastern Blackfoot people”?
American Timeline has some great references and many could be expanded on.
July 3, 2007 at 6:46 pm #27312Saponi and Cheraw timeline
Posted by: Kevin Mullins (ID *****0358) Date: March 03, 2007 at 17:28:20
In Reply to: Gleanings from my old file cabinet by kevin mullins of 20585
http://genforum.genealogy.com/melungeon/messages/19792.html
Saponi abstracts from dissertation
From Patricia Baldwin, posted on Melungeon-L email list ca 1998. Apparently this was from a document that was formatted differently, and I had to clean up a little
“clutter”. Some parts were a little confusing, especially when it came to matching up the sources, but it’s still worth checking out. I’m not sure if the address listed below is operable today.
Does anyone know what happened to Patty Baldwin? She had an old sash that was an heirloom in her family, and she was told that it looked like a sash fom a soldier of the Lavant, ca 1500 or 1600s.
This ‘document’ and citation(s) was in the Fall issue of ‘Old Floyd County ( KY ) Families’, Vol. 3, No. 1
Old Floyd Co. KY Families
3 Clark Branch
Harold , KY
41635-9601
INDIAN/MELUNGEON ABSTRACTS
The following abstracts are from four calendars of documents compiled for a dissertation tentatively entitled
“Who Are Your People: Indian-Pioneer Histories From The Southern Appalachians And Related Tribes, Bands, And Families, 1660 To 1997” (Department Of Anthropology,
Michigan State University).
The calendars are titled:
“Eastern KY Pioneer-Indian 1740 To The Present”;
“Cherokee Diaspora 1740 To The Present”;
“Southern Tribes: Saponi, Tutalo, Sara, etc. 1600 To The Present”;
and “Melungeon Dialogue 1730 To The Present”.
For anyone wanting more information on the Indian-Pioneer families these documents mention
contact:
Richard Allen Carlson., Jr.
328 Regent St.
Lansing, MI 48912.
Hancock County Times; [HCT & IP] . April 17, 1903. Article by the Hon.
Lewis M. Jarvis (lawyer of Sneedville, b. in Scott Co. 1829). States all that has been
written on Melungeons is erroneous, and are derisively dubbed “Melungeons” by
locals. States they were not here when Boone entered country in 1761; doings of the long
hunters; Greasy Rock a rendezvous point for traders – Sneedville; Greasy Rock first
settled by Melungeons, and Newman’s Ridge and Blackwater later.
In 1795 or 1804 those called Melungeons settled area with land grants and muniments of title and settled same
time as the whites did.
Names were Vardy, Ben, & Solomon Collins, Shepherd Gibson,
“Paul Bunch and the Goodmans, chiefs and the rest of them.”
They had already lost their language and spoke English very well. “They were originally friendly
Indians who came with the whites… from the Cumberland County and New River, VA … some
stopped on Stoney Creek, Scott County [and other points along the Blue Ridge]… The white
emigrants with the friendly Indians erected a fort on the bank of the river…Ft.
Blackmore, and here yet many of these friendly ‘Indians’ lived in the Mountains of Stoney
Creek … A few half-bloods may be found … from here they came to Newman’s Ridge and
Blackwater”; amalgamation with whites; half-bloods, quarter-bloods, & the “old
pure bloods”; some in War of 1812: James Collins, John & Mike Bowlin, and some others
not remembered”; those who quite full blooded. Were like white people, good & bad
citizens, some among best property owners in county, word is bond, “they have left
records which show these facts.”
Amelia County Courthouse, VA – Deed Book 1; (ASV,V.37:42-Holland, C.G.,
“A Saponi Note”). November 8, 1737.
Deed from Jn. Taylor of Surry Co. to Alex. Bruce of Amelia Co. for 300 acres,
“…beginning at a white oak above the Sappon Indians cabins, thence…near a branch
of Winningham Creek, site south of Winningham Creek, West of State Route 617 -sketch MAP
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