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Hello Everyone,
I Keep Seeing In Genealogy Records That Mary Mcbee Who Married John Austin Jr Was Susquehanah Indian. Does Anyone Know Anything About This? I Already Decend From John Austin Sr And The Saponi Indian Woman, Would Really Like To Find Out If I Also Have Susquehanah. I Really Want To Find And Document My Native American Heritage, And Like Starinelson I Would Like A Legal Tie To My Native American Ancestors.
Is There Anyone Out There Who Can Help
Shirley:)
Susquehanah Indian is really a broad term. It could mean Iroquois, Delaware, Shawnee, or “insert name here”. It all depends on the timeframe somewhat, but is not conclusive on any native people, or an answer.
All I can tell you is that in the historical record, in the late 1600’s, there was a remnant band of Susquehannah who had escaped from PA who lived near the Occoneechee, Saponi and Tutelo on the Roanoke around presently Clarksville, VA. It’s thought they lived on what’s now called Buggs Island, at the foot of Kerr Dam. There was conflict and they were massacred the day before the Occoneechee were massacred by Bacon and his vigilantes. It is said survivors who taken to the Meherrin.
The Meherrin and the Saponi were from opposing nations, but they were in the same general vicinity. As languages and cultures were lost, so were the differences and it would not be surprising to hear about intermarriages a century later.
thank you for the info, i’ just trying to find out as much about my native amrican ancestor that i can, in iklshoma you are allowed into the tribes if you can prove your heritage . is there such an application for the saponi and susquehanah tribes if so where can ai get one
shirley
shirley778446 wrote: thank you for the info, i’ just trying to find out as much about my native amrican ancestor that i can, in iklshoma you are allowed into the tribes if you can prove your heritage . is there such an application for the saponi and susquehanah tribes if so where can ai get one
shirley
Hello Shirley,
You wrote that in Oklahoma, one is allowed enrollment if heritage can be proven. That is correct, depending on how you look at it and which nation is being petitioned. I am an enrolled member of an Oklahoma Indian nation because I am a direct descendant of an original allottee and have more than 1/8 of that nation’s blood. Each nation, per the drafting of their Constitution and/or by-laws, have different requirements.
Speaking of the Saponi and Susquehannock people, both of them were dissolved as distinct political entities before the 1800’s. The survivors of these groups were either absorbed by larger neighboring groups or assimilated in the majority society surrounding them. There are some groups with Saponi ancestry that did coalesced into state-recognized political entities, but they are mainly based in North Carolina. As far as any Oklahoma, some federal and state-recognized groups may have Saponi heritage, but they, as far as I know, are not organized around any strong Saponi identity.
There is mention that the Seneca-Cayuga Nation in northeastern Oklahoma have historical ties with the Susquehannocks and contain Susquehannock elements. The Seneca-Cayugas are Ohio Iroquois, known in the history books as the Mingo or Minqua. The Susquehannocks, or the Andaste, were referred to, at one time, as the White Minqua. There are correlations and the more frequent mentioning of the Ohio Iroquois (Mingo) corresponds with the historical disuse of the name, Susquehannock. I would suggest you may wish to understand the enrollment qualifications and procedures of this group as you continue your search regarding your Susquehannock background. Good luck,
Blackbird
THANKS BLACKBIRD, I’VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD THAT MY NATIVE AMERICAN ANCESTORS WERE CHEROKEE AND CHOCTAW. MY ANCESTORS STARTING WITH JOHN AUSTIN SR. AND THE SAPONI WOMAN THRU THIER SON JOHN JR AND EVENTUALLY TO ME, MY QUALLS AND AUSTIN AND LAMB FAMILIES MADE THE JOURNEY FROM VIRGINIA INTO NORTH CAROLINA AND INTO TENNESSEE AND LATER INTO ARKANSAS. SO I AM TRYING TO FIND THE INDIAN CONNECTION WITH THE QUALLS AND LAMB FAMILIES ALONG WITH THE AUSTINS. IF ANY ONE OUT THERE KNOWS THE ANCESTRY OF THE QUALLS/QUARLES IS THERE A NATIVE AMERICAN CONNECTION:confused:
Hey Shirley,
Which Quarles/Qualls are you looking for??? Posted this before, but in a Deese thread. One Quarles married Milly Bowlin, who was, according to the claim they filed, Cherokee. They were from Henry County, VA (previously known as western Pittsylvania CO), but wandered into the area you are looking at. Milly may have been from the same line as Thomas Bouldin, listed as Indian on an early tax list (Henry or Pittsylvania Co, can’t remember offhand).
Most of the Quarles claims were denied, but there are a handful of them listed on the 1909 Guion Miller roll.
In Milly’s family’s case, it may have been because her family did not live in an area recognized as an Eastern Cherokee place. Or maybe because they were not on previous rolls. You can view said claims here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb….ianclaims.html
If these are your peeps, we could be related. Have not yet figured out the exact relation, but am a Henry County native with multiple Bowlin/Bouldin lines.
There were other Quarles around there that go way back. Seems like one married a Jerusha Farris or Ferrell.
“Subsequent to the year 1700 the valley of the Susquehanna became the habitat of many of the tribes subject to the Iroquois. The Shawnee, Conoy, Nanticoke, Delawares, Munsee, Mahican, Saponi, Tutelo, Tuscarora, and 12 or 15 other tribes were settled here at one time or another under the jurisdiction of the Five Nations.”
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/susquehanna/susquehannahist.htm
That said, one would still have to check dates because “Susquehanna Indian” later became a broad term, and not indicative of one tribe. People have used “Susquehanna” to describe their ancestors and were later to be found to be Shawnee or Delaware. The term became more of those tribes living along the river than anything else, especially when used nowadays.
thanks you guy’s for the info. i decend thru william qualls/quarles and polly lamb. i’ve deen told that his parents were david Qualls/Quarles and judith.any heads up on them.
shirley
my qualls/quarles i’m not sure where they were from in Virginia, I do know William Quarles and Polly Lamb were married 12 jan 1788 in Botetourt county, virginia. they both died in Tennessee, thier son John born 20 feb 1799 in North Carolina married mary Lamb they died in Tennessee I have always been told that my Qualls ancestors also were native american, at one time someone told me there was a group in Arkansas who were documenting the qualls native americans who came into arkansas from Tennessee, does anyone know anythig of this
getting very confused
shirley
shirley778446 wrote: my qualls/quarles i’m not sure where they were from in Virginia, I do know William Quarles and Polly Lamb were married 12 jan 1788 in Botetourt county, virginia. they both died in Tennessee, thier son John born 20 feb 1799 in North Carolina married mary Lamb they died in Tennessee I have always been told that my Qualls ancestors also were native american, at one time someone told me there was a group in Arkansas who were documenting the qualls native americans who came into arkansas from Tennessee, does anyone know anythig of this
getting very confused
shirley
Hi Shirley:)
I almost posted info I found on Ancestry, but noticed it was your tree…oops. I do know some Quarell’s…we store our travel trailer with them, they are from Grand Marais, Minnesota. Though, I do think they originated there as they have what I would say is a mild Southern accent. I won’t see them until May, as they winter in Florida. But if you woud like their address, I would email it to you, if you wanted to contact them?? Just let me know.
Shirley
at one time someone told me there was a group in Arkansas who were documenting the qualls native americans who came into arkansas from Tennessee, does anyone know anythig of this
Think that might be them at the link I posted.
There may also be a Quarles connection with VA Algonquins. Lemme find the document I think it was in.
Just noticed the Quarles link I posted is not working, so am trying it again:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~quarles/indianclaims.html
Here should be the other info. (Scroll to the one on the Monteith family) Monteith is the primary line followed, but it contains quite a few surnames that we discuss here, related to or descended from the Patawomeck tribe of Virginia:
http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/browse.php?CISOROOT=/FH1&CISOSORT=title%7Cr&CISOSTART=1,21
It’s a pdf file, found here:
http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/FH1&CISOPTR=36237&REC=11
Bee…. did you notice my mother’s Newtons listed with the Potomac ndns? I’ve also seen the Newtons listed as Catawba and as Chowan. Later there are Newtons on the Cherokee rolls. (Keep in mind that many of the Cherokee surnames were first NC/Va ndn surnames. For example, Martin came into the Cherokee tribe through the marriage of Joseph Martin, mixed saponi ndn trader to the Cherokee.) There seems to be agreement that the Newtons WERE ndns and they started in NC/Va.
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