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well I started trying to trace my daughter in laws line because she and her sister are having a hard time with american food. and she can’t seem to lose weight and I know her other paternal direct line X is native .. but because of the blue eyes we had assumed french or irish on her own direct line..and my grandkids are like White blond headed. then her blood type is A which is asian like and that is maybe odd. so she probably needs to eat more vegetarian like.. but rice and beans kind of vegetarian or potatoes and cabbage kind of vegetarian.. so I am trying to find out .. she has already had her gulbladder removed and getting it wrong could mean getting other things removed.. and who wants that!!!! so for her health and the future health of my grandkids I need to figure this stuff out , like how to eat for what her genes are adapted to.
does anyone know if or when comanches may have picked up Sioux/ Mandan lines ? do they have any shared history at all? and if so was it around Nacona TX/ or red river because that is where our indian who changes his name ends.
and does any one know what this name might mean..
Sephronie shortened to Sophie
though it sounds like a peice of pizza, I am not so sure it is . and since the siuox now days seem to scream loudest about someone being blond headed indians and how fake indians that is .. catlin clearly draws some mandan/ sioux lady, who’s named Shakoka/mint and her line has to be there someplace , the line is from up there has to be dominant for blond and blue eyes inspite of the genetics going on around them , which is very odd thing. . and so where does those lines who were once in the Sioux go anyway ? and since my daughter inlaw and her mother and her sister and her grandma are is spitting image of her Shakoka, and my trail dead ends with an indian who chances his name to appear irish but he is around Nacona TX .. if his mother was that line he sure could have pull that off irish for sure.. but it just might not be irish at all. and maybe it ain’t going to functioning like an irish either. it just looks irish..
maybe we got another polar bear..:p
so where are the blonds now in the Sioux or the mandan , does anyone know if the Sioux/mandan and comanche were ever swapping dna ?
because I think I might have a guess where one line of it went
I think I will be telling her to eat more mint just in case she was related to Shakoka.. but what kind of mint were her ancestors eating or maybe smoking,
so anyone know which plant Skakoka is ?
well it is listed on rootsweb anyway.
and the “Chisholm trail” starts or ends around Nicona texas all the way too colorado I think.
I do not know if it is the same Chisholm or not .
anyone know why a Chisholm or son in law of a this Chisholm might want to change his name? besides maybe some of that same old old treaty party stuffings.
does it seem odd that there is about 8 or 9 ( NO like 11) Sophronia ( didn’t count the sophie) on the dawes rolls. it seems like such an odd name to me.
I couldn’t tell which tribe they were from in the searchable data base I found. does anyone know another data base which tell the tribe and I can find first the names too ?
Does anyone know where this name originates? .
it does seem to be oldest in canada.
Does any Chisholms know about this name out in Texas ,all this is not that far from Anglina tx/ I think around where the cherokee were at one time ?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120113173253AAoPfeI
where did greeks migrate too when they got to the Americas ?
or maybe is this word/name older than what it might seem?
could it be a new world name from old world times?
I mean that is quite a few of them on the dawes.
and it doesn’t count sophie which is probably the shorter version, maybe.
http://forums.randi.org/archive/index.php/t-39027.html
so this might explain the white skinned indian /comanche changing his name to an Irish sounding name. though that family said cherokee or choctaw…. unless they were talking about saphonie / chiholms line .. but maybe a comanche indian married a chisholm… maybe.
or did male indian ( who changed his name ) his indian wife/ white wife take chisholms wife’s name? why would a white wife take another woman name…..
Chisholms trail starts right there and Chisholms farm is right there, I think they said.
but what if the blond comanche really weren’t captives of whites, and that is just bs built on some dumb white guys goofy ideas .. but maybe they were CAPTIVES but captives of Mandans or Arikara who had taken hard hits from disease and war just 50 years before this time?
dang too many rabbit trails now and way to many possibilities , such awful records for that area and time and even worse perceptions/prejudice /stereotypes …. for now I will keep trying to trace down this name Sophronia/ Sophronie,
it’s all greek to me…;P
the rabbit hunt goes on…. the blond headed rabbits even…or maybe irish polar bears..:p
http://www.calverley.ca/Part01-FirstNations/01-038.html
so maybe not just mandans.. /welsh indians hum? interesting
really the most interesting point here is that what male line is it that is allowing for a blond heads in the Cree and in the Mandans .
because some male lines allow it and some can be dominant for it in certain environments .. except when say small tight knit bands of darker genetics might be strong enough to code over every other or different “type” in the group. and those might have mostly to do with adaptation issues to an area or lifestyle.
so euro changed our lifestyles enslaved the darkest ones then started screaming
“part blood’s ” and “wannabee’s ” when everyone got lighter …… and on the other side of THEIR Divisions of race start calling the darkest lines and nigro’s and wannabees
” because everybody known real indians are asians ” right ? .:mad:
I think I will start growing some of these types of things just in case it was mandan captives.
http://www.pfaf.org/user/cmspage.aspx?pageid=36
Camassia quamash, day lilly and apio and more root like crops.. and maybe cat tails .. and the like?
and then probably fish and pemican .. because I don’t think her line is mexican though, so I doubt rice and beans will work.. they now eat more like that . but she had to have her gallbladder removed because of it..
now her direct grandma practically survives on just pumpkin/squash and tomatoes .. maybe that is the secret..maybe it’s some hints actually .. hummmmmmm
so her line it looks irish , at least irish looking … but the irish man really appears to be an indian who changed his name to irish , but no hint of what the wife of indian man might have been ..or maybe Canadian with some maybe greek or something she likes olives but can’t drink wine , but that could be from her other an indian X who are all in that line are allergic to alcohol especially wine ….. or maybe Mandan and or associated tribes. so for now I am going to do more food research in that direction…
Because we won’t find most of those foods of that kind of diet in any store and her grandma living on almost 70 % of her diet is mostly butterbut squash and tomatoes . as matter of fact she got sick when she went to WA state and didn’t have her squash, HUM….. which I think butternut squash is a native squash family called( Moschata) I think ….. so most of it will have to be grown . I was hoping this might get easy, of course squash isn’t all that hard it is in stores . she really liked my pumpkin chili hum…. and we all loVVVVVVVVe………………….. pumpkin cookies!!!!!!!…oh my …. my grandson’s , now they have baking pumpkin cookies down so good.. with a tiny bit of oats and some walnuts nuts YUMMMMMM
but growing lots of Camassia , apio and sunflowers/ J. artichoke / root might get more interesting..
if any of you find anything interesting as it might have to do with blonds in comanche or irish in very early texas .
please scream..
why wasn’t it clearly Irish.. potatoes and cabbage is so easy!!!
from wikipedia
“Their Conquest first as Shoshone took them to the southern plains, whence by their power they separated from the Shoshone and became a distinct nation. At this point, they adopted the imperialist customs which were to make them the strongest nation. Quickness of speed and violence of action as a result of their superb light cavalry skill led them to capture so many children and women of their opponent Indian tribes that their numbers increased exponentially. Those who submitted to Comanche power were given latitude but had to provide food, lodging, and women to the Comanche nation. When they encountered the Spanish, the resulting wars resulted in the total genocide of the Spanish settlements north of the Rio Grande. In turn, the Comanche and eventually Apache allies launched deep raids of thousands and at times tens of thousands of warriors into Mexico during which thousands of Mexicans were captured and turned into slaves. Eventually, the numbers were so large that Hispanics made up nearly thirty percent of the Comanche nation.[6] However, the Comanches never formed a single cohesive tribal unit but were divided into almost a dozen autonomous groups with as many as 45 distinct divisions among the 12 bands.[7] These groups shared the same language and culture but at times fought among themselves in ritualized combat as often as they cooperated.””
so the captives were from other tribes…
next we have to ask what it would be like to be a blond headed white man captive or blond headed indian captive… maybe that is why some blond headed indian tries to pass as irish.
as I doubt being a blond blue eyed captive of either (Mandan genetic stock) white indian or white settler was much fun ! as it does look like they were collecting unwanted indians from other tribes. especially woman . how come I got a sneaky suspicion as it probably wasn’t much fun being blond in them other tribes either.
very interesting to say the least. anyone know if there is white blond Spaniards? and why would a captive spaniard take an irish name?
but it says they started by stealing woman from other tribes here first and those Mandan woman were in Arikara and in other tribes by then also and blond indian noted in the by then .. but the mandan genes were someplace, they were someplace.
now it says her grandma Sophie mcClendon kilgore was buried at spanish fort. now that place has an interesting history.
http://www.texasescapes.com/TexasGhostTowns/SpanishFortTexas/SpanishFortTexas.htm
it appears that either some french hookers came there or those Algonquins say from kaskaskia and Illinois from around St Genieve and north from all over MO , etc .. could easy have headed south since some of our collins relations moved near there in texas too. and they all traded with french traders also.. but these french were usually french males with indian wives.
Now the algonquin tribes in the midwest as been infused from even pohatans and other Algonquins and with that some french( a little french blood again from mostlry male traders ) and french words. so maybe that is where this name Sophronie/ Sgphronia name came from and why so many native ladies have this name on the Dawes. thus odds are it an influence of the french not necessarily a french woman. the only woman around spanish fort is indians or hookers in the bordellos. and I don’t know but what is the likelihood they would have to import loose woman who would like to live in a bar instead of work in a field ? shoot they probably had a waiting list .
so chances are her grandma is probably not really high odds she was a french woman..unless all those saphronia from the dawes are really french ladies.
1 but more likely an algonquin
2 or what it says the “Americans” wanted spanish fort in 1830 what ?( what like a Chisholm? kind of “Americans” ? like when the cherokee were run off from Angeline? or AR old settlers even , or what kind of “americans’ wanted spanish fort ?)
3 or an algonquin from the north who moved south due to intrusion would those be americans too ?)
4 or maybe hooker/bordello girl maybe from french quarter in LA or Mobile Al.. but where di they get their bordello girls down there ?) I need to do a lot more investigation into where everyone got their bordello girls from.
5 or a comanche captive ( indian or white )?
6 or an indian or white wife from a Chisholms trail cow herder( did they go with their husbands when the men took the cows to market too, and was it only cows herders on that trail in the first place ?) I know it was created to take cows to market but was anyone else on it ?) .
7 or maybe a mexican captive
any other ideas?
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