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September 11, 2003 at 2:59 pm #692
In the southeast region at traditional pow wow’s are all drums welcome? In the southeast.
Can any pow wow turn down a drum from any nation?
Is there such a thing as southeastern stlye of singing as it’s own catergory or is this a new age idea?
This problem has arisen in the north and it needs addressed by the southeastern tribes.
There are pow wow’s in the north that do not have the catergory of southeastern drum it is either northern or southern.
So is it ok for a southeastern pow wow to come to the north and turn away northern drums in there own region?
September 11, 2003 at 2:59 pm #7792My husband and sons sing on a Drum, we’ve only ever heard of northern and southern style. If someone is putting forward that they are “southeastern” style, then it sounds like something new someone’s trying to assert.
I’ve never seen a drum turned away unless they were behaving inappropriately, drinking/smoking/eating/cursing at the Drum, not covering it when they walked away, things like that which violate the protocol on how to respect the Drum.
I’d be curious who you’re talking about, if you’d care to email me.
September 11, 2003 at 2:59 pm #7810Pow-Wow is really a Plains Indian tradition. I’m pretty sure others borrowed it from them.
Southeastern Tribes here in Oklahoma still have traditional Stomp dances and are more interested in them than in Pow-Wow’s, which are somebody else’s tradition. Lots of people would argue with me here tho. Pow-Wows are more Universal now it seems if not everybody’s real tradition.
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Can any pow wow turn down a drum from any nation?
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I am speaking about Oklahoma Pow-Wows sponsored by Southern Plains societies or tribes that I’ve been to.
Yes they can turn down a drum. I have never seen a drum show up at any Pow-Wow that is not invited. I couldn’t imagine anyone showing up with a drum who is not invited to bring their drum.
Who ever is sponsoring the Pow-Wow organizes it and has the right to choose to honor the drum they invite. Would you go to a music concert and bring your guitar and demand to sing your song? You come to listen to the invited singers and musicians. It is THEIR show!
Known drums would know better than to just “show up” and expect to perform. If they show up they’d NEVER expect to drum, but if they show up and the sponsors see them there and know them they can invite them at that time.
Many Pow Wows here are intended to honor somebody how can you do that if complete strangers show up that don’t evn know the person being honored? Nobody ever does that or ever would consider doing that.
I don’t live in the South East but I can’t imagine them THAT different down there.
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September 11, 2003 at 2:59 pm #7814howdy Red Fox
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This problem has arisen in the north and it needs addressed by the southeastern tribes. There are pow wow’s in the north that do not have the catergory of southeastern drum it is either northern or southern. So is it ok for a southeastern pow wow to come to the north and turn away northern drums in there own region?
Red Fox —
I don’t know a thing about that.
There is no such thing as a category of “Southeastern Drum” I don’t think. There is only Northern and Southern Plains. Most traditional Southeastern Tribes usually danced around a fire counterclockwise, not a drum clockwise as the Plains people do.
Maybe they want to start a “new” tradition. 🙂 I guess a tradition can start anytime and place . . .
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You know here in Oklahoma I would never speak out about these things because I am the least qualified of persons to do so — so many other people are so much better qualified. But online I feel things I am farmiliar with — and have been since I was a child — people who were raised in other places sometimes seem to not know about. My experience at pow-Wows is that I have attended a lot of them. I have just gone to them since I was a kid, and I’m 50 now. I have never sat at the drum and don’t think I ever would. I’m just not qualified.
Things I take for granted , well — I am realizing I can be helpful here. I guess I’ve been blessed to have been raised here.
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