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December 10, 2003 at 2:09 am #788
I have a ggg-grandfather, Paul Brooks, who supposedly married a “blackfoot indian princess.” I have not been able to find out a name for this princess, but I have discovered that Paul was living in Clay Co., KY during the 1840 census.
I know that Paul’s son, Ivan Andrew Brooks, was born in Clinton Co., OH in 1847.
Any ideas or suggestions on how to find this mysterious ggg-grandmother would be appreciated.
Cort
December 10, 2003 at 2:09 am #8378Greetings, Cort,
I didn’t find either Paul or Ivan Andrew Brooks in 1850 Ohio or Ky and didn’t find Paul in 1840 Clay Co., Ky. Do you have the page number on the 1840 Clay Co census you referenced?
Bill
December 10, 2003 at 2:09 am #8380I guess I need to do a better job checking my facts before I post them in a public forum.
This is a correction to my first posting:
My g-g-grandmother, Lucinda Freeman, is listed as living in Clay Co., KY in the 1860 census. Her husband was Ivan Andrew Brooks (they married in 1880 location unknown). Ivan’s mother is supposedly my Blackfoot connection.
I presume that Ivan’s father, Paul Brooks was born 1780-1820 and married around 1840 (this is all a guess based on birth dates of children).
I do not know where Paul Brooks was born, lived, or died.
Sorry for the confusion
Cort
December 10, 2003 at 2:09 am #8381Cort,
Let’s start with more recent info and work our way back to Paul and his wife. Do you know the names of any of Ivan and Lucinda’s children? That usually helps narrow the field.
Bill
December 10, 2003 at 2:09 am #8382This is one area I do have info on…
Lucinda Caroline Freeman was actually Ivan’s third wife.
His first wife, Flora Hann, bore 2 children and then died young (from tuberculosis):
Olie (or Ole) Arthur Brooks b. 1879 in Indiana
Beatrice Lydia Brooks b. 19 Mar 1880 d. 2 Aug 1889
His second wife, Phoebe Hooker also died young (19) of “the fever” and bore no children.
Ivan Andrew Brooks and Lucinda Caroline Freeman had the following children:
Nellie Jane Brooks b. 25 Apr 1893 Williamsport, Warren Co., IN d. 14 Apr 1976 in Attica, Indiana (this is my g-grandmother)
Charles Ervin Brooks b 1 Jul 1888/1898 m Mary Cale
Mary Elizabeth Brooks b. 23 Nov 1883 d. 19 Jan 1938 m. Guy McCartney
I have some more information on the children of Charles Ervin, Nellie Jane, and Mary Elizabeth if that adds any value.
Thanks
Cort
December 10, 2003 at 2:09 am #8389Hi Cort,
Thanks for the add’l info and it confirms that the one Ivan Brooks I found is in fact yours.
1900 Warren Co., Ind Census, ED#126 – Washington Twp, Williamsport 3rd Ward, p.2A, 2nd June, at 35, 34 :
Brooks, Ivan A.; Deputy Sheriff, w, m, Apr 1847, 53, m22, Oh,O, O.
Lucinda; wife, w, f, June 1856, 43, m22, 5/4, Ind, Ind, Ind.
Mary J.; dau, w, f, Nov 1882, 17, Ind, Oh, Ind.
Charles E.; son, w, m, July 1889, 10, Ind, Oh, Ind.
Nellie J.; dau, w, f, Apr 1893, 7, Ind, Oh, Ind.
This indicates Ivan and Lucinda have been married 22 yrs which puts their marriage in about 1878; Lucinda has had 5 children and 4 are still living.
Ivan and his father and mother are listed as being born in Ohio.
Ole, who should be about 21, is either “working out” or something.
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1880 Warren Co., Ind Census, ED#54 – J.Q. Adams Twp, p.11C, 4th June, at what looks like it’s a boarding house at 38, 38 :
McKenzy, Martha, w, f, 55, Wid’d, Oh, Va, NJ.
and “Ivin” is shown in the same dwelling, different family, 38, 39 :
Brooks, Ivin; w, m, 33, Works Tile Factory, Oh, Oh, Oh.
Lousinda; w, f, 30, wife, Ind, Oh, Oh.
Ole; w, m, 1, son, Ind, Oh, Ind.
This doesn’t look like the same Lucinda that is shown on the 1900 census based on her age in 1880 and where her parents were born, but I’ve seen stranger discrepancies listed for people on various census records and this may be the same lucinda since they were listed as married 22 yrs on the 1900 census.
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On the Indiana Marriage Records database for Warren Co., Book 6, p.21 :
Iven Brooks + Florence A. Hann on 21 Dec 1871.
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This points to Ivan having marr’d Lucinda in Warren Co as well, but I haven’t found a record of it yet.
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I looked at the 1860 Clay Co., Ky census. This Lucinda Freeman is the head of household, is 43 yrs old, b.abt. 1817 in “Clay Co”, has 3 children, and doesn’t look like the Lucinda, b. June 1856, that is marr’d to Ivan Brooks. I checked all other Freemans in Clay Co and didn’t find a Lucinda there. I’ll check for her and her parents in Indiana (and Ohio) and let you know.
Bill
December 10, 2003 at 2:09 am #8393Cort,
Here’s Lucinda. Apparently she was b. 1850 per 2 out of 3 census ( ! ) and is the “Lousinda” shown as Ivan’s wife in 1880, so the age shown in 1900 is probably incorrect.
1850 Warren Co., Ind Census, John Q. Adams Twp, 19 Sept, p.60, at 51, 51:
John Freeman, 34, m, farmer, $1200, NC
Mary J., 24, f, Ohio
Asenith E., 10, f, Ind
William, 4, m, Ind
Elisabeth, 2, f, Ind
LUCINDA C., 3 months, f, Ind ****
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1860 Warren Co., Ind Census, J.Q. Adams Twp, P.O.: Pine Village
23 July, p.99 & 100, at 714, 698 :
John W. Freeman, 46, m, w, farmer, $3000, $400, Ohio
Mary J., 34, f, Ohio
William O., 14, m, Ind
Sarah E., 11, f, Ind (“Elisabeth” of 1860)
LUCINDA C., 10, f, Ind****
John N., 8, m, Ind
Cynithia J., f, Ind
Mary M., 4, f, Ind
Lemuel L., 2, m, Ind.
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In the Supplemental Records to Marriage License Applications in Warren Co., “Charley E. Brooks” date of birth is recorded as
1 July 1888.
Mary E. McCartney, date of birth 25 Nov 1883; dau of Ivan A. Brooks and Lucinda Freeman.
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Bill
December 10, 2003 at 2:09 am #8397Let me say that Clay County, KY, is a very common location for Blackfoot identified families. Also, Brook families have been felt by some researchers to be Saponi, which if you’ve read the article off the main page The Other Blackfoot is what we feel the Blackfoot ID to be a marker for.
December 10, 2003 at 2:09 am #8404Bill,
You have given me a lot to digest. I can’t say how much I appreciate what you’ve found already. Give me a few days to go through what you have and try to understand it.
Cort
December 10, 2003 at 2:09 am #8424You may find more validation exploring the high incidence of Blackfoot Id’d people in Clay County, KY. Here’s a summary of some of the responses I got when I asked if there were any Blackfoot descendants on a Clay County, KY genealogy list.
Reports from Clay County, KY members with family stories of being “Blackfoot.”
1. Smiths
2. Gay, Abner, Williams, Parker, Bowling/Boling. Virginia, N.Carolina, Tenn. Kentucky. Gay family is connected to Williams,Parker Boling/Bowling, Abner
3. Lawson, Pulaski Co., KY area
4. Martin
5. Smith, Jackson in Clay and surrounding counties. His name was Floyd Hooker
6. “Johnsons lived at the hamlet of Langnau just west of the Clay County line in Laurel County . . . by way of Sally Profitt. Indeed, our genealogy tracing showed Indian blood behind these Proffitts. Sallie’s dad is James Proffitt (b. Clay County, KY about 1823) and James’ dad is Joseph Proffitt (b. 27 Apr 1793 Wilkes Co., NC; d. 1 Jul 1867 Clay County). The Indian line comes through Joseph Proffitt’s second wife Elizabeth TUDORS or TEDDERS. Elizabeth’s dad is Steven TUDORS or TEDDERS who about 1805.”
7. “Sarah Elizabeth George was a daughter of James George & Susan Proffitt, daughter of James Proffitt & Hannah Owens. My Gran’ma told my aunt, that my Gran’ma & the 5 kids, went to live with Susan Proffitt George, on an Indian Reservation, we believe to be in Ok., after my Gran’dad, David Anderson
Yeager died in 1901 in Yale, Johnson Co., Ar.”
8. “I have redhaired Smith’s with a story of Blackfoot too.”
9. Hyatt, Smith, and Baker (Blackfoot in Clay County)
Unidentified Indians in Clay County
1. Gibson
2. Gipson
December 10, 2003 at 2:09 am #8425Another possible N.A. line in my family are the Stivers of Wayne County Ky. They married into the Neals and went first to Fayette County Ky. and then Randolph/Boone County Mo.
My 4th greatgrandmother Sally Ann Stivers Neal had a first cousin George Stivers who married Letitia Tudors dau. of Stephen Tudors and Morning Dawn. George Tudors’ two sons married descendants of Thomas Benge who was the brother of John “Old Trader” Benge father of Chief Robert Benge. Stephen Tudors was supposed to have been captured by Chief Benge at the age of Two years old and was placed in Red Bird’s village. He remained with Red Bird throughout his travels and returned to the area of Clay County Ky. and Red Bird River. (It’s a small world,ain’t it?)
Rhoda Sizemore the 2nd wife of Chief Red Bird is related to my Gardner Green of Old Lunenburg County Va. Her greatgrandma was a Green.
George Stivers’ son or grandson also named George Stivers was killed in a poker game gun battle in Fogertown. The Clay County Bakers, John Renty Baker and his sons are MY Baker family. John Renty’s son Bolling was capturd by Shawnee Chief Cornstalk at Braddock’s Defeat and became the husband of Cornstalk’s dau. Aracoma.
Dan Akin.
December 10, 2003 at 2:09 am #8427My 2nd Grt-grandfather Christopher Columbus LEE, b. 1851 Shelby Co., Ky, who m’d 1) Tennessee WILBURN, b. 1852;
m’d 2nd) Izella Elizabeth STIVERS, b.1849 prob. Shelby Co., Ky. Elizabeth Stivers isn’t on my direct line, and is just another coincidence since Shelby and Clay Co’s are rather far apart.
Bill
December 10, 2003 at 2:09 am #8429{Rhoda Sizemore the 2nd wife of Chief Red Bird is related to my Gardner Green of Old Lunenburg County Va. Her greatgrandma was a Green.}
Dan: I connect with Chief Redbird aka Aaron Brock through his son Jesse Brock. Jesse Brock married Rebecca Howard ; their daughter Barby married Thomas Slone; Their daughter married John Roark ; and Mary Roark married my John W. Collins. The Brock’s started up in what is today Harlan Co. KY but met up with the Collins in Floyd and Clay Counties Ky. Indeed a small world.
December 10, 2003 at 2:09 am #8432Brenda; Doing a little research on the Brock family with your cousin Dr. Ken Tankersley I learned that Red Bird was a possible son Of Christian Place Priber and a trader named Brock. This is very interesting because you find oral traditions of Red Bird’s village and something to do with the Yamacraws. There are place names in Clay County Ky. called Yamacraw.
In a nutshell this is how it goes; Christian Gottlieb Priber married a dau. of Cherokee chief Moytoy. Captured and arrested by Ogelthorpe for stirring up trouble C.G. Priber was imprisoned at Fort Frederica on St Simon’s Island South Carolina. The Cherokee family of C.G. Priber was allowed to go and stay with him on St. Simon’s Island until his death. At the same time there was a Yamacraw village on the island. The Yamacraw having moved there for trading and protection from their land at present Savannah Ga. There were never very many Yamacraws 100 families at most and at St Simon’s Island few were left.
Somehow I will have to get a picture of my grandma on this forum. She is very definitely an indian lady but barely 5 feet tall and, I swear it’s not a stretch, she looks like Tomochichi the Yamacraw chief. She does not carry the characteristics of the tall cherokee indian maiden. It is a characteristic of the Creeks and Yuchis to have tall men and short little women.
Dan Akin.
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