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Bill has been sending me data from look ups he’s done on my Harris’s I’ll post here what he sent me, what I already know to pertain to my family I’ll put in bold.
In 1850 Wabash Co., Ill Census, p.428A, two doors away from
John ULM, 62, Va;
Elizabeth Ulm, 58, Va;
Elizabeth Ulm, 21, Ind;
Eleanor (prob.Ellen?) Ulm, 18, Ill; Hannah, 13, Ill;
at 500, 507, is :
Wiliam HARRIS, 37, shoemaker, PA.
Diantha Harris, 26, Ohio;
Sally A. Harris, 30, PA;
At 585, 587, Town of Mt. Carmel :
William KAZEE, 49, PA.
Sarah M. Kazee, 46, PA.
+ 9 children aged 18 yrs to 1 mo., b. Wabash Co., Ill. and living/working here is:
Phillip HARRIS, 21, Carpenter, PA.
Bill then asks if those could be my Keasey’s, which is very interesting. It’s my first indication of a community. This would tie the Harris’s, the Hudson’s and the Keasey’s together across three states.
Following is data on my Harris’s in PA
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1830 Franklin Co., Pa Census, Chambersburg, p.259, (Line # 14) :
Thomas HARRIS = 112321 – 010101 – 0 – 2.
household contains:
1 male under 5.
1 male 5 to 9.
2 males 10 to 14.
3 males 15 to 19.
2 males 20 to 29.
1 male 30 to 39.
1 female 5 to 9.
1 female 15 to 19.
1 female 30 to 39.
1 FPC female under 10.
1 FPC female 24 to 33.
Others on same page with FPCs in households:
Line 6, Catharine Grimes.
line 7, Charles Allen.
line 8, William Henry.
line 9 Jacob Williams.
line 16 Edward Miller.
line 17, Samuel Delaney.
line 18 Cato Ferloni.
line 19, Henry Brown.
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1820 Franklin Co., Pa census,
Peters Twp, p.110:
Thomas HARRIS = 101012 – 10010 – 0 – 0.
household contains:
1 male under 10.
1 male 16 to 18.
1 male 26 to 44.
2 males over 45.
1 female under 10.
1 female 26 to 44.
Antrim Twp, p.113:
George HARRIS, 110100 – 00200 – 0 – 0.
household contains:
1 male under 10.
1 male 10 to 15.
1 male 16 to 25.
2 females 16 to 25.
Samuel HARRIS, 100100 – 00100 – 0 – 0.
household contains:
1 male under 10.
1 male 16 to 25.
1 female 16 to 25.
I’ve noticed the two above before, but don’t quite how they fit in with the Thomas Harris’s.
Bill then goes into information about a Captain Thomas Harris, an Indian Trader, who was in the locale in the earlier century. He married a Mary McKinney. I have a friend by that name who reports it to be Saponi. He’s from a family that was in PA during that time frame with many names associated with Saponi families. So we have a very intriguing possibility to research.
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Still working on this, but the HARRIS’s of Franklin Co., Pa., appear at this point in the search, to be descendants of Capt. Thomas Harris, Indian Trader, b.abt.1695, d.Dec 2, 1801, at 106 yrs old, and I’m working to develope info on his descendants.
By the 1720s, he lived on Conewago Creek in then Lancaster Co, which became Cumberland Co in 1750, from which Franklind Co was created in 1784, tho I don’t know exactly where Conewago Creek is located. Between 1745 to 1775, he lived in the Juniata Valley in what later became Mount Joy Twp, Mifflin Co., proven by Rev. John Roan’s congregation account books, and this may be where Conewago creek is located. Yet to find out where all his kids ended up but seem to be scattered over the wider region.
This Thomas Harris is closely related to John SEMPLE, John STEWART, (a) THOMPSON, Capt. James PATTERSON and John McKINNEY. His wife was Mary McKinney, per her brother John McKinney’s Will referring to Capt Thomas Harris as his brother-in-law.
This Thomas Harris was a contempory of a number of Indian Traders from the same area at that time : Simon Girty, John Findley, John Lee, Andrew Akins, Joseph Campbell, Thomas McKee, Samuel Chambers, Daniel & James Lowery, all of the 1740s & 1750s.
Source of all this is “Egle’s Notes and Queries of Pennsylvania”, scattered over 3 volumes of that work. If this pans out, I’ll list the specific sources.
Bill has written me again with more interesting information about this Indian Trader, Thomas Harris. He was involved in a number of adoptions. We’re puzzled by this and wonder what this signifies. Has anybody else come across this kind of phenomenon and have an idea with it signifies. In a short period of time, he becomes guardian to a large number of children from several different parents.
The following are abstracts of Orphans Court records of Lancaster Co., Penn at a time when present day Franklin Co would have been part of Lancaster County. These books are a part of Genealogy.com’s Genealogical Library Collection.
I’m highly curious about why Thomas Harris wanted to be the Guardian of all these kids – other than the McKinneys.
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All from “Penn. Vital Records, Vol. I,
Gen. Gleanings from Orphans Court Records of Lancaster Co., Penn” :
p.350 –
“Orphans Court held at Lancaster for the County of Lancaster the Sixth Day of March 1753. Before Emanuel Carpenter, Adam Simon Kuhn, Robt. Thompson and Thomas Hollyday, Esquires, Justices.
Ordered that Susanna McBride, Administratrix of Thomas McBride, her late Husband, retain in her hands Certain Sums on Account of the Charges and Expenses over bringing up some of the younger children, and that Thomas Harris who has the Effects in his Hands pay her the Same.”
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Same, Vol. I, Part 3, p.360 –
“Orphans Court Records of Lancaster, Lancaster County, Penn., Fifth Day of March 1754.
Before Emanuel Carpenter, Adam Simon Kuhn, James Smith, John Allison, William Jevon and Robert Thompson, Esquires, Justices.
Upon hearing the Petition of William Willson preferred to this Court, the 4th Day of December last past, whereby the Court had been induced to appoint him Guardian over John Scot, an Orphan Son of David Scot and Legatee under the Will of his late Uncle John Scot, deceased. The Court finding the Matters therein Set forth are not true. The said Orphan is appointed an Apprentice to the said William Willson. It is Ordered that Thomas Harris be Guardian for said John Scot (in the room of William Willson, who is discharged.) It is Ordered that Thomas Harris, the present Guardian of John Scot, nephew of John Scot, deceased, do pay unto William Willson, the late Guardian, the sum of — — — for his dischargement and trouble.”
[Footnote 7] “The Will of John Scott of Drumore Twp, dated 5 July and proved 13 Dec 1752, named only his wife Mary and children William, Abraham, John, Esther, Mary, Joseph, Lydia and Thomas Scott. Executors appointed were his wife Mary and Abraham Scott. Will Book I – 1, 241 : 1752.”
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Same, Vol. I, p.365 –
“Orphans Court held at Lancaster for the County of Lancaster the 3d day of December 1754. Before Emanuel Carpenter, James Smith, Robert Thompson, John Allison and Adam Simon Kuhn, Esquires, Justices.
Samuel Poor, an Orphan and Minor Son of Alexander Poor, Deceased, chuses Thomas Harris as his Guardian.”
continued….
“4th December 1754. Before (same Justices)….. Thomas Harris appointed Guardian over John McKinney, Mathew McKinney, Hugh McKinney and Mary McKinney, Orphans and Minor Children of John McKinney, deceased.”
[Footnote 30] “The Will of John McKinnie of Paxton Twp, dated 25 Nov. and proved 29 Nov. 1749, named his Mother Martha McKinnie, brother Henry, and brother-in-law Thomas Harris Executors, and named wife Jean, but only mentioned one son John, though there were other children. Will Book A-1, 184 : 1749.”
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Same, Vol. I, p.174 –
“Orphans Court held at Lancaster for the County of Lancaster, held the 1st day of June 1756. Before Emanuel Carpenter, Thomas Holliday, James Smith, Robert Thompson and William Jevon, Esquires, Justices. Upon Petition of Grace Scott, Widow and Relict of Thomas Scott, who was one of the Executors of John Scott, deceased. It is Ordered that Thomas Harris, the Guardian of John Scott, and Orphan and Minor Son of the said John Scott, deceased, do pay the said Grace Scott five pounds out of the Orphans Estate, having provided for said Orphan while he lived at her house.”
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Other Thomas Harris’s in these Volumes:
Vol. II, Penn. Marr. Licenses 1769 – 1776, p.103 –
“1776, April 6 : Thomas Harris – Elizabeth Stevens.”
Vol. III, Marr. Docket of James McFarlan, Esq., Brandywine & Uwchlan Twp., Chester County, Penn : “21 Feb., 1828. Thomas Harris, of Uwchlan to Esther Robison, of Brandywine (colored people).”
Vol. III, Seventh Day Baptist Graveyard, French Creek, Chester Co., Penn : “This graveyard is situated about a half mile from Coventryville.”Thomas Harris, died Feb 28, 1748, aged 34 years.”
Vol. III, Graveyard Inscriptions of Christ Episcopal Church (Old Swedes), Upper Merion Twp., p. 273 – “Thomas Harris
Died October 24, 1864 aged 56 Years”
Vol. III, p.73, Marriages by Matthew Allison, Pastor, Presbyterian Congregations, Mifflintown & Lost Creek – “1866, Mar. 8, Thomas G. Harris to Martha J. Campbell, both of Concord, Franklin County.”
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I’m also curious if Techteach has an Emanuel Carpenter in her bunch from just over the line in Maryland.
It’s very interesting to see the McKinney’s mentioned again. He is their uncle (by marriage).
Bill and Linda:
Sorry, no Ephraim Carpenter. The original Carpenter, John, is believed to have come over from Germany with perhaps a brother, George, in the 1700’s and, after a stint in the Rev War (maybe??), married into the Tomlinson/Swearingen families.
Cindy
I’ve been thinking about this adoption of these scores of children. I’m wondering if it would indicate that he was a man of some means and perhaps a kind of legitimacy that these other families lacked? That being named his wards gave them some protection that was important? In the context of a mixed blooded community, could this relationship have allowed some Indian orphans to remain within a largely white community? What about the timing? Isn’t this the timing of the French/Indian war? I need to check into that. Could these be war orphans?
I just checked, and it’s just six kids he became guardians to, one of whom was apprenticed out to someone else.
Yep, the French and Indian war began in 1755, and that area was hard hit. The guardianships after 1755 may have been of war orphans.
It looks like with the Susan McBride case, she was raising her children as a widow and was petitioning the court for money from Thomas Harris to cover those expenses. I wonder why he would have had money from her husband’s estate?
With the orphan John Scott, William Wilson had originally been appointed his guardian, but the court found some untruths in his petition, so the boy was instead given him as an apprentice, with Thomas Harris taking care of the boy’s inheritance, as his guardian.
This one is self-explanatory, “Samuel Poor, an Orphan and Minor Son of Alexander Poor, Deceased, chuses Thomas Harris as his Guardian.”
John McKinney, Mathew McKinney, Hugh McKinney and Mary McKinney were Thomas Harris’s niece and newphews, so it’s obvious why he would take them in, if indeed he went on to raise them, himself.
The last entry is about the orphan, John Scott again, this time a request from his apparent Aunt for money to cover her expenses while she cared for him.
None of these would have been war orphans then.
So, I’m trying to think what this tells us about Thomas Harris. Obiouvsly, he’s a man held in high regard by the court. This would either mean he was a very good man, or a man with a lot of influence who either had the court thinking he was a good man, or influenced to pretend he was a good man.
The fact that Samuel Poor chose him as a guardian argues that he was, in fact, a very good man.
On its face, it would seem that he (and his wife) were the most responsible people in the area willing to care for these displaced children. The fact that there seems to be money involved sometimes, that was in dispute, might bring up other possibilities, you know, like the stories about people alleged to be foster parents just so they can get those support checks every month, but Samuel’s ‘choice’ seems to indicate otherwise.
Linda and Bill:
Look what I found on the Huston genforum:
A band of indians alarmed the benjamin gilbert family on the 25 th day of april 1780 and the 15 members of the family were takencaptive. the raid took place in penn township, northampton county, pa.
INDIANS :
ROWLAND AND JOHN MONTEUR, these two were mohawks, descended from a french woman.
SAMUEL HARRIS, a cayuga indian
JOHN HUSTON, and his son, were cayugasa.
JOHN HUSTON,JR.cayuga
JOHN FOX ; OF THE DELAWARE NATION
and there was 5 other seneca
“PENNSYLVANIA GENEALOGIST AND HISTORIAN” may 1993, number21 p 3-8.
Name: (Queen)Catharine Montour CAYUGA
Sex: F
Birth: ABT 1715 in Williamsport, Pa.
RELA: Natural
RELA: Natural
Father: Mohawk KATARIONIECHA
Mother: Cayuga Margaret MONTOUR b: ABT 1698 in Finger Lakes, NY
Marriage 1 Cayuga Telenemut HUSTON b: 1710 in New York
Married:
Event: None
Children
Cayuga Eyendeegen Apewyett John HUSTON b: ABT 1730 in Seneca Lake, NY
Name: Cayuga Eyendeegen Apewyett John HUSTON
Sex: M
Birth: ABT 1730 in Seneca Lake, NY
Death: ABT 1785
RELA: Natural
RELA: Natural
Father: Cayuga Telenemut HUSTON b: 1710 in New York
Mother: (Queen)Catharine Montour CAYUGA b: ABT 1715 in Williamsport, Pa.
Marriage 1 Seneca WOMAN b: ABT 1735 in Pennsylvania
Married:
Event: None
Children
Delaware Kicky HUSTON b: 1755 in Three Rivers, Pa.
My folks (and the Greens/Sinkeys/Potters intermarried with Hustons) were near Bald Eagle, PA and I believe, unless I am having a senior moment, that Chief Logan’s Cayuga father was there also.
Going to look into the source a bit.
Cindy
I’m trying to remember if our Tutelo were being called Cayuga at that point in the documentation. They were adopted in 1743. There is a Samuel Harris three pages over on the census from our Thomas Harris in 1820. I can’t remember if my genealogist cousin had decided there was a definite connection or not.
I found the source for this list of names that were involved in the capture of the Gilberts:
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/philadelphia/areahistory/watson0207.txt
Cindy
George, with you Ohio folks being a bit closer to Six Nations, have you all had any luck establishing relationships with Tutelo-descended Cayuga?
Here’s some info I was told was gleaned from an 1800 Census in Cayuga County, NY. These are some names we often discuss here. I’ve never looked into it though, and don’t really know the context. I’m not sure if this is the regular census, or some sort of tribal roll census. Not sure how that would work.
Lawson, Day, Harris (x6), Allen (x6), Tucker, Stewart (x3), Jones, Jeffries (x2), Tuttle, Collins (x3), Paine, Scott (x2), Barnett, Heithcock, Watkins, Whitmore (x4), Griffin, Austin (x2), Bird, Jeffers, Buck, Guy
Here’s the same kind of list from Oneida Co., NY, 1800 Census
Tuttle, Wetmore, Tucker, Hickocks, Turner, Payne, Evans, Steward, Eno, Keyes, Hithcock, Richardson, Austin, Collins, Guy, Allen, Hunt, Parker, Harris, Hicks, Blunt, Evans, Bulling, Scott, Bass, Griffin.
And, from Ontario County, NY – 1800
Carter, Hunt, Scott, Hicks, Griffith, Heth, Jones, Richardson, Collins, Watkins, Stewart, Harris, Griffin, Wynns, Heath, Gibson, Heacox, Hitchcock, Allen, Evans, Austin, Heacock, Rose, Butler, Day, Paine, Collins, Guy, Bullen, Buck.
Bill, if you have a chance, could you see if these names seem to be on the standard census for these counties? Does anybody know if there were reservations in these counties at that time?
Thanks, Bill. It sort of caused me to sit up and take notice. Here’s an interesting URL with a map of some of this area : http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/cessions/ilcmap53.htm More maps can be found on http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/cessions/ I am frustrated though, I cannot find the citation with the names online.
I will be offline for a couple of days. Christmas at Mom’s where there is no Internet.
Cindy
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