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John Smith and Lucy Sylvie (Silvey) were marr’d in 1826 Orange Co., Va., per Fairypri’s info.
They must have lived in an area of western Orange County, Va., that became Greene County in 1838; Greene Co., being where they’re found in 1850.
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These lines tie into several other lines of people on this forum.
You should also read the “Quesenberry – Va.” posts on this section of the forum.
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All people listed in the Census info below, were b.Va. Race is left blank, signifying “white”, but the ennumerator, Jennings MAUPIN, has a surname associated with mixed Indians of Tenn, Ky & Mo., so he may be also and may have fudged. (a Jennings MAUPIN marr’d Sally MILLER on 25 Dec 1797 in Orange Co – maybe this guys parents.)
1850 Greene Co., Va., Census, 3rd October, p.358A, at 284, 284 :
John Smith, 58, m(ale), Farmer, $0, Va.****
Lucy, 40, f(emale).****
Susan M., 24, f.
Mildred, 16, f.
Lucy J., 15, f.
Margaret, 12, f.
James A., 8, m(ale).
Maria S., 7, f.
SARREPTA A., 4, f. ****
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Their neighbors in 1850, in order of the count:
(all but one were born in Virginia)
271, Edward Gilbert, 57.
272, Malinda Gilbert, 50.
273, John F. Early, 34.
274, Thos. A. Early, 21; with Sarah Burnes, 50, living here.
275, Ezekiel Woods, 36.
276, Robert Holbert, 57; with Grannison Raines, 24, living here.
277, Chiswell Draper, 50.
278, Isaac Norford, 56; with Jane Marshall, 34, living here.
279, James Harris, 75.
280, James M. Norford, 32.
281, Elizabeth Greening, 60.
282, Polly Harvey, 40; with Ailsa Harvey, 65 (f), living here.
283, Layton W. Harvey, 49.
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284, John Smith and his family.
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285, William Payne, 35; with Nancy Mitchell, 41, living here.
286, Elizabeth Dickerson, 33.
287, William T. Wood, 45.
288, James Archer, 65.
289, Harriet Rucker, 36.
290, John Pittman, 48.
291, Reuben Daniel, 46.
292, Robert Mitchell, 30.
293, Ezekiel Lucas, 78.
294, James Richards, 38.
295, Blufie Rucker, 59.
296, John Webb, 63, (b.Penn.).
297, Lewis Douglass, 32.
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SMITH and SILVEY families of 1840 Greene Co., Va Census:
(ennumerator is John S. Beazley, one of mine.)
No definite identification of John & Lucy Smith. They may be living with one of these people.
Downing Smith = 11101 – 020001.
household contains:
1 male under 5 yrs old.
1 male 5 to 9.
1 male 10 to 14.
1 male 20 to 29.
2 females 5 to 9.
1 female 30 to 39.
Gasper Smith = 010000001 – 00000001.
household contains:
1 male 5 to 9.
1 male 60 to 69.
1 female 50 to 59.
Noah Smith = 100001 – 00001.
household contains:
1 male under 5.
1 male 30 to 39.
1 female 20 to 29.
Thomas Smith = 011001 – 0000001.
household contains:
1 male 5 to 9.
1 male 10 to 14.
1 male 30 to 39.
1 female 40 to 49.
William Smith = 100001 – 12011.
household contains:
1 male under 5.
1 male 30 to 39.
1 female under 5.
2 females 5 to 9.
1 female 15 to 19.
1 female 20 to 29.
John SILVEY = 000011 – 000111001.
household contains:
1 male 20 to 29.]*
1 male 30 to 39.]* these 2 not old enough to be Lucy’s father.
1 female 15 to 19.
1 female 20 to 29.
1 female 30 to 39.
1 female 60 to 69.
(* maybe brothers?)
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SMITHs of 1830 Orange Co., Va., Census:
John Smith = 001110001 – 1002201.
household contains:
1 male 10 to 14.
1 male 15 to 19.
1 male 20 to 29.
1 male 60 to 69.
1 female under 5.
2 females 15 to 19.
2 females 20 to 29.
1 female 40 to 49.
(the 20 to 29 y/o male might be John, b.abt. 1798, but the age would be sightly off. One of the 20 to 29 y/o females might be Lucy. Same could also apply to the Gasper Smith household below. Nothing else seems to come together.)
Gasper Smith = 00001001 – 0000201 – 0 – 1 female FPC.
household contains:
1 male 20 to 29.
1 male 50 to 59.
2 females 20 to 29.
1 female 40 to 49.
1 female FPC 10 to 23.
Other 1830 Orange Co. SMITHs and oldest people in household.
St. Clair Smith, 1 male 20 to 29. 1 female 15 to 19; 1 female 70s.
Jeremiah Smith, 1 male 20 to 29. 1 female 20-29.
Joel Smith, 1 male 30 to 39. 1 female 30-39.
Daniel M. Smith, 1 male 30 to 39. 1 female 30-39.
George Smith, 1 male 50 to 59. 1 female 40-49.
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1820 Orange Co. SMITHs:
John Smith:
1 male under 10.
3 males 10 to 15.
1 male of 45 and over.
2 females under 10.
2 females 10 to 15.
1 female 26 to 44.
1 female of 45 and over.
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If you study the family relationships indicated by these marriages, I think one could conclude that both these Smiths and Silveys may have been of Indian descent – they’re certainly associated with a bunch of them.
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SILVEY marriages recorded in “Marriages of Orange County, Virginia 1747 – 1810” by Knorr :
“14 October 1785. Stephen Silvey and Frankey Dear. Sur. John Dear. p. 16.”
[from same source: 1 November 1774. John DEAR and Catherine SMITH. Found in Deed Book 17. Both of St. Thomas’ Parish. Notation: by Banns. p. 3.
(my note: Frankey Dear’s mother was a SMITH, indicating an early relationship of the DEAR, SILVEY & SMITH families.)]
“15 February 1797. William Stockes and Lucy Silvey, spinster. Sur. Lewis COLLINS. Wit. Charles BELL. Married by Rev. Hamilton GOSS. p. 43.”
(This is probably the Lewis D. Collins, 82, (b.abt. 1768 Va), living with Robert Collins, 42, Va., on the 1850 Orange Co., Va census, who lived next door to HAWKINS, WHITLOCK, GIBSON families. The Collins & Bell association may be of interest to several people here.)
“14 October 1801. William Silvey and Mary Adkisson, dau. John Adkisson, who consents. Sur Barnett Adkisson. Wit. William Adkisson and Sarah Adkisson. Married 15 October by Rev. Hamilton Goss. p. 34.”
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SMITH marriages from the same source as above:
“26 February 1760. George Smith and Elizabeth Suggett. This license found in an old fee book by J. W. Browning. Both of St. Thomas’ Parish. p. 1.”
“4 July 1773. Stephen Smith and Blessing Stevens. Found in Deed Book 17. Both of St. Thomas’ Parish. p. 203.”
“27 June 1774. Samuel Smith and Dorcas Douglass. Found in Deed Book 17. Both of St. Thomas’ Parish. p. 3.”
“14 September 1775. John Smith and Jane Smith. Found in Deed Book 17. Both of St. Thomas’ Parish. p. 4.”
“9 November 1775. James Smith and Patty Cleveland. Found in Deed Book 17. Both in St. Thomas’ Parish. Notation: by Banns. p. 4.”
“15 July 1777. Robert Smith and Anne Conner. Found in Deed Book 17. Notation: by Banns. Anne of St. Thomas’ Parish. Robert of Spotsylvania. p. 5.”
“25 October 1781. Absalom Smith and Jestin Chandler, dau. Joseph Chandler, who consents. Sur. Edmund DEAR. Wit. John DEAR and Robert Chandler. This name may be Justine. Both of St. Thomas’ Parish. p.10.”
“2 June 1783. William Smith and Lucinda Smith, dau. Joseph Smith, who consents. Sur. RICE Smith. Wit. Joseph Smith. William of Rockingham County. p. 12.”
(my note: On the 1850 Orange Co census is a William Smith, 78 (b.abt. 1772, so not the same William, but, he has a dau named Lucinda and there is a James HERNDON living/working with them. See Herndon association to Beasley and Quesenberry lines on this section of the forum, and the Quesenberry/Smith marriage below.)
“19 June 1783. Charles Smith and Jane Morton, dau Elijah Morton, who consents. Sur. Joseph Morton. Wit. George Morton. Bother of St. Thomas’ Parish. p. 12.”
“24 March 1785. John Smith and Elizabeth Warren, who writes her own consent. Sur. Thomas BELL. Wit. Caleb Lindsay. p. 15.”
“26 August 1786. Edward Smith and Rose Warren. Sur. Thomas BELL. Wit. Francis TAYLOR. p. 18.”
“20 April 1796. John Smith and Sukey Smith, dau. Raife and Sukey Smith, who consent. Sur. Absalom Tyler. p. 39.”
“9 January 1798. Coleby Smith and Sally Kendall, spinster. Sur. Robert Kendall. Wit. James TAYLOR. p. 45.”
(My note: See the postings for “Quesenberry – Va.”, associating the TAYLORs with a bunch of people here. Also see the listed marriage of Oswald Smith, 22 Dec 1800, below.)
“22 October 1798. John Smith and Nancy Sutton. Sur. William Sutton. p. 47.”
“19 December 1798. George Smith and Elizabeth Abell. Sur. Caleb Abell. Wit. Charles BELL. p. 47.”
(my note: the “A” in “Abell” could be a middle initial, since the Witness’s name is BELL – just a thought.)
“16 November 1799. William Smith and Mary C. Porter. Sur. Camp Porter. Wit. REYNOLDS Chapman. Married by Rev. James Garnett. p. 49.”
(my note: Reynolds family related to Quisenberrys who are related to Smiths.)
“22 December 1800. Oswald Smith and Joice Quisenberry, dau. William Quisenberry, who consents. Sur. Caleb Lindsay. Wit. Aaron Quisenberry. p. 52.”
(my note: Here’s a Smith/Quisenberry marriage that relates at least this Smith, to Dreaminghawk’s Quisenberrys who stayed behind (?) in Orange Co.)
“16 June 1804. Absalom Smith and Martha McNiel. Sur. William Terrill, Jr., who makes oath Martha is ove 21. p. 63.”
(my note: There are Terrill lines who are mixed Indian in Orange, Louisa & Spotsylvania Counties.)
“23 July 1804. Philip Smith and Matilda Bickers, dau. Joseph Bickers, Sr., who consents and is surety. Wit. William Long, Edmund Hamilton and Ellis Hamilton. Willis, son of Mathias Smith, who consents for him. p. 63.”
“19 December 1805. William Smith and Nancy Morris. married by Rev. George Bingham. p. 67.”
“16 December 1807. James Smith and Caty Smith. Sur. William Lindsay, who makes oath Caty is over 21. p. 72.”
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Fairypri,
This is probably a SILVEY also.
From “Orange County Virginia Marriages….” cited before:
“17 February 1796. George SYLVA and Lucy POE. Sur. Dennis Sha..?. p. 39.”
Re: The Absalom TYLER, witness to the marr. of John SMITH to Sukey SMITH on 20 April 1796, married a SMITH :
“25 May 1796. Absalom TYLER and Frances SMITH, dau. Jeremiah and Elizabeth SMITH, who consent. Sur. John SMITH. Wit. John PENDLETON. p. 40.”
from same “Orange County Virginia Marriages….”.
This Jeremiah Smith would be too old to be the Jeremiah Smith on the 1830 Orange Co Census.
……and forget about the speculative TAYLOR association. James Taylor was the Court Clerk and witnessed many marriages.
It has been four years since I posted anything to this site and have just today seen all the work Bill Childs posted on the Smith / Sylvie family. Last year, I had a marble stone placed at the “Pettit Family Cemetery” in Barboursville, VA. Two of John Smith and Lucy Sylvie Smith’s daughters are buried there. Mildred Smith, born in 1834 in Orange County, VA and Sarepta Ann Smith, born in 1845 and married to Ira Williamson Pettit in 1867, are both buried there. The graveyard is behind D’s Market in Barboursville, VA, at the intersection of Route 33 and 20 south.
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