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Well just stopping by with more info for anyone related to me.. I’m taking part in the DNA testing for Melungeons.. and have been speaking with Mr. Yates. Turns out my Gist family and many others are Kaysars. Armenians who converted to Judaism. That would explain some of my features and digestive problems mainly found in that area of the world.. The Gist surname was originally Gozzi.. royalty among the Kaysar and later to Gyse when they went to present Croatia and England where it was changed to Gist. I will get all the pics I can from my mom and dads side posted here.. or send them to whoever can. Anyone wants to contact me.. just use the email.
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My dad’s side is from that part of the world, Hungarians and Serbians who were living in Croatia. But they weren’t Melungeons coming over five centuries ago. It was just 90 years ago they got off the boat. In Indian circles here on the east coast I do run into a lot of people who look like my cousins on that side.
My dad was my mom’s brother’s best friend growing up. I kind of wonder if this angle wasn’t why my mom’s family thought he was a cute kid and encouraged him to hang around . . .
Cr21. Are you referring to the Khazar Turks when you write “Kaysar”? A little background: The Khazar Khanate (Turkic speakers) appears by 600 AD on the northern coast of the Caspian Sea but never spread west of the N.E. Black Sea coast. (A source easily accessed: “The New Penquin Atlas of Medieval History”)
The Emperor Justinian’s Armenian eunuch Narses led an Eastern Roman Empire army thru Dalmatia (Croatia) to retake Italy from the Ostrogoths in 552 AD, but history is mute on any Armenian migration to Dalmatia or indeed, into any part of Europe. Yates would need to document his source, which has escaped everyone else’s notice.
The Avars, who exercised control of this area (Croatia) in the later 500’s, were remnants of Jouan-jouan Mongols from the central asian steppe who had been displaced by the Turkish Khanate of central asia. The Avars hung around for a couple of centuries until overwhelmed by the Magyars, and the rising German states, in the 800’s AD.
Re: Melungeons being Turks. DNA studies of the population of Turkey indicate, and contemporary sources confirmed, the Turkish “Army” which invaded that peninsula could not have numbered as much as 10,000 Turks. That army, like so many of that time, absorbed remnants of the peoples they conquered as they moved west, swelling their numbers – but the majority weren’t even Turks by the time they reached “Turkey” although they did retain the language and culture. The present populations of Turkey are almost all genetically Greek or Celtic (Gauls – hence “Galatia”); Even the genes of 10,000 soldiers would make hardly a ripple in the pool after 500 years, in a population that large. (“The History and Geography of Human Genes”, by Cavalli-Sforza, et.al.)
The Khazars had other people among them. They ruled from Eastern Europe to Central Asia. Not only all the Turkish tribes. My bet would be Armenians, Assyrians, Aryans, Arabs, Babylonians, Croats, Serbs, Georgians, Persians and probably more. I’ll have to contact him again for more answers. Yates is a Gist himself. My same ancestors. Yes it was the Khazar kingdom and Transcausas region they were from. Remember from central Asia clear to southeastern Europe are Turkic people with other groups among them. Not only Turks.
I’ve done my stint researching Croatian history and the number of hordes that have ravaged through there over time is staggering. Very hard to keep up with all the invading hordes.
Yeah people were always moving around, more than the average Joe thinks. One other point to make about the Israelite people. They are not their own ethnic group. What they are is half Arab and half Armenian. Armenians used to live from around Lebanon northeast through present Syria and into southeastern Turkey. A place referred to as Anatolya.
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