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Hi, I wonder if anyone knows if the Saponi (Blackfoot) had anything to do with the Adena Culture or Hopewell culture that was in the Ohio River Valley. I thought I read somewhere the Siouan People used to live in the Ohio Valley in Ancient times and then they split up and the Saponi crossed the Appalachians to the Piedmont area. I read thi on the internet but don’t know if its true. Does anyone know the Ancient Saponi history? Also I wondered what Pila Huc means. I’ve been studying Cherokee for the last several months and when I get further along with that I’d like to find out more about the “Blackfoot” language although I know its just in bits and pieces now? I’m just really curious? Thanks So Much!!!, Jeff in STL
Hi, I have read a lot that the Hopewell were Cherokee and were driven South by the Lenni Lenape and Iroquois? I know I don’t know though? Thanks!!! Jeff in STL
I did some checking into burial habits at one point, to see what kinds of burial habits were used around Blackfoot Town in DE. What I found were that there were mounds around that area, but that Algonquin and Iroquois did not use mounds for burial. Siouan did. That is, if I remember correctly. Anyone else know?
Techteach
The Pee Dee were Siouan and there’s, of course, Town Creek Indian Mound. I spent a day there. The mound was dug, and then re-created. A ceremonial house sits on the top of the mound. I remember at the time I was reading the Tutelo Spirit Adoption Ceremony. There was mention that the ceremony ended at dawn, assuming one lived in the southeast. It’s still dark then up north at that time of the morning. I remember thinking, the cermonial house’s doorway faced the east. That ceremony would have been grand ending up there, watching the sun come up over the treetops.
One of the archeologists I’ve spoken to, I don’t remember who it was, told me that the mound culture can be thought of as a religious movement that spread across most of the continent, the Pee Dee were at its eastern edge. Then, that religion just kind of faded away, and the mounds were abandoned. I don’t know if I read, or if I surmised, that the fall of the mound culture seems to have coincided with that mini Ice Age in the middle ages that caused such havoc worldwide.
I know Ohio has a huge number of mounds. Barbara Mann knows about that. She’s Ohio Seneca and has referred to them several times. If anyone here gets a chance to visit North Carolina, I’d recommend spending a day there. It’s a very intense, evocative place. I was there singing with a Drum at a pow wow that day, which made it even more intense.
I don’t think there is any known direct link between the Siouan Indians and the earlier Adena Culture or Hopewell Culture.
That being said, the Siouans are thought to have built burial mounds not too long before Europeans arrived in North America. The burial mound near Jefferson’s Monticello is thought to have been a remnant of the Saponi village nearby.
I have read that the Siouan Indians of VA and NC are thought to have come from the Ohio Valley originally.
So are they related? It’s a leap, but I don’t think it is much of a leap. I don’t know if we will ever know for sure.
Ooh, I find this this so interesting. I found this link that talks more on the subject.
Shirley
http://www.arch.dcr.state.nc.us/ncarch/articles/1stcolo.htm
Check this out : http://savedunes.org/history/natives/ . Outlines a connection between Tutelo, Moundbuilders, and Lakota.
Techteach
Rockhound,
I’ve read the same, that the Siouan Indians had once lived in the Ohio Valley. I live right across the Ohio River from Louisville, KY. All of the fields in the river bottoms around here have Adena artifacts which can be found when the fields are plowed and a good rain has fallen. I used to hunt them in my younger days.
Jim
Howdy all y’all! *waves* This is a right interesting link…so thanks for the input…living in OH all my life, I have visited many of the OH burial mound sites locally…and in the recent past read up a bit more on the history of those localted locally….and they do appear to have been Adena and Hopewell primarilly. Now I cannot leap to an assumption however, I do recall one discussion via phone with Richard (Carlson) and he did make mention to me that the Saponi DID originally occupy the OH River Valley area before they left and migrated ultimately to the Fort Christianna area and onward so it stands to reason that there likely was some connection between them as a Sioux speaking tribe via both language and locale to the mound building OH tribes aforementioned. There is a right interesting link about the OH mounds at URL: http://www.delaware.org/history/moundbuilders.htm
I bumped into another neat and interesting link recently and saved it (yippee) …in this article this fella takes a spiritual twist on things and mentions numerous connections (possible and probable) between mound artifacts and the Mexican Mu…URL:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/ssm/ssm11.htm
VERY interesting read!
There is also some speculation that the survivors of the mound builders were in fact the Saponi, Tutelo, etc…sorry to be so linky but here goes yet another that explains that speculation as well:
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ny/state/his/bk1/ch2/pt2.html
Another right groovy site that describes the SE Indians by tribe and has some neat maps too can be found at:
http://www.kennesaw.edu/sga/history.html
Wish I knew more and could be more confirming or concise…don’t we all?! Happy reading. Blessings from here to there~~~~Laurie
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