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Does anyone know any Native American Carter’s or Lavender’s from the Amherst and Boteoturt Cos Va?
Joseph Carter b 1800 married 1833 Amherst Co Va
Belsora (Sarah-Sally) Lavender b 1818
Their daughter Mary Jane Carter b 1838 Amherst Co Va married
Richard Stinnett b 1830 Amherst Co Va
They moved to Botetourt Co Va about 1840.Mary Jane and Richard had a daughter Emma Elizabeth Stinnett.She was my GreatGrandMother b 1861.She married her second cousin Henry Jackson Stinnett b 1863 they married in 1883.I have apicture of Emma and she has some Indian features.
My father and Uncle said some Stinnett’s went to Texas and married Indian women.They said Emma had black hair down to the floor.She didn’t talk much.My uncle said she had Plains Indian features.My father didn’t remember the tribe but said they were a fighting tribe.Since they mentioned Texas I figured Apache or Comanche but now I don’t know if that is true.I found Emma born in Va.Her mother Mary Jane Carter Stinnett was also born in Va.That leaves Joseph Carter and Belsora Lavender.I don’t know where they were born.The Indian connection comes from one of them.I can’t find either ones parents are siblings.
Allen Lavender from Amherst Co Va signed the marriage bond for Joseph and Belsora.She was not Allen’s daughter.I think she may have been from out west.All of that Lavender fmaily went west except for Allen and another brother.The earliest Lavender’s came from SC.
I would appreciate any help.
Jackie
Welcome to the forum, Countryg,
Joseph CARTER, 44 yrs old, and Belsora (“Balsarah” on this census), 33 yrs old, were both born in Virginia per the 1850 Botetourt Co Va census, District 8, pg.75.
Mary J., in that same residence, is listed as 15 yrs old & born in Virginia on this census. The other Carter children were:
Elizabeth, 17; William H., 7; Chastin A. (female), 5 months old.
“Rich.’d” Stinnett, 20 (born about 1830 in Virginia), lived 5 houses away (pg.74) with his parents, “Rich.’d” and Elizabeth Stinnett, both born about 1800 in Virginia. It looks like this dwelling might have included an extended family of their children and some of their wives. It’s not entirely clear but here’s the census listing:
Rich.’d Stinnett, 50, m, – , laborer, $0 (R.E.), Va.
Elizabeth Stinnett, 50, f, – , Va.
Bethene Hayslip, 30, f, – , Va.
George W. Stinnett, 28, m, – , Va.
Martha A. Stinnett, 24, f, – , Va.
William H.(?) Stinnett, 24, m, – , Va.
Luissey (?) Stinnett, 20, f, – , Va.
RICH.’D. Stinnett, 20, m, -, Va.
Lucinda Stinnett, 17, f, – , Va.
Julius (?) J. Stinnett, 14, m, – , Va.
John Heslip, 27, m, – , Va.
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The ” – ” indicates that no race was recorded which ususally means the census taker thought they were White.
Bill
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the census information.I have my Stinnett’s back to 1641.It’s Jospeh and Belsora that I am having a problem with.I don’t know why it is so hard finding their parents.I have a list of Allen Lavenders children and who they married.I believe Belsora was a niece.The census on them is confusing because she used Sarah-Sally and Elizabeth.In 1870 she was lsited as Belzona Carter.Joseph died betweehn 1860-1870.He was not in the 1870 census.Most of the family is Buried in Fairview Cemetery in Buchanan.Joseph and Belsora and listed in Botetourt Cemetery books.Their son William Henry Carter and wife are listed.I guess they couldn’t afford it.
Joseph is not in the Amherst census.I don’t know if he was living with his father before he married.I wish I knew who the father was.Joseph was about forty when he married.I only have the marriage bond.The licesen is not available.The court house states the marriage register book is being rebound.That’s been about six years now.Rumor has it that they book has a lot of Indian marriages in it, and they pulled it so people would not find out about their heritage.That could be just a rumor.The story was told to me a Cherokee Chief.He managed to get his copies from the register before they removed it.
I hired a researcher to try and find the marriage register.He was told the same story about the re binding.He was going to try and sneak a look but the book was gone from where it used to be kept.
There were some carter’s living near Richard Stinnett Sr in Amherst, before they all moved to Buchanan, Boteoturt Co.
Usually, if you have someone from Amherst, someone knows them.Not with this couple.I need to talk to my Uncle again.He lives in Florida.My father moved their when I was young.I didn’t even know about the Indian heritage until 1993.I use to chat with Dr. Robert Ward (Cherokee) on Aol.He kept asking me if I was Indian.He said I had an Indian spirit.I told him no.I finally called my father and asked him what we were?He said French and Indian.Then I leaned about Ggma Emma.He couldn’t remember the tribe though.He did say they were Texas.I haven’t been able to make a connection to Texas.I have Some Stinnett’s who were and are from Texas.
I wish I had started doing genealogy when the Granparents were still alive.There is so much I will never know now.
I have not found any census that had race anything but white.I know Emma was Indian.I guess it depened on which county they lived in. I bet if I could find the marriage license it may have the proof I need.
Right now I am stuck.Rob Kubena told me about your site.You and the others on here are very helpful.
I am going to send Rob the Sorrells file and he is going to send it on to you.I sure hope he finds the connection he is looking for.It took us a while to figure out his Duff’s had changed their names from Cooper to Duff when they left Amherst to go to Rockbridge.
Rob has some really nice pictures.I know he has sent you some of them.
I have three of the Boteoturt Cemetery Books and the Amherst County Gravestone Inscriptions Book.If anyone needs a lookup from them, just ask.
I can send you a picture of Ggma Emma if you would like to see it.
Thanks again.
Jackie
hi jackie,
yes, this is a great site. and bill is the most helpful of folks.
i see that you did not mention catherine lavender. i believe that it was she that married one of our beverlies. considering the time, this would suggest she was native. and, of course, lavender is a native name.
rob
Hi Rob,
I am so use to just looking for Belsora, I forget about Catherine who married Delaware Beverly.I don’t have any info on her.No dates at all.It seems she should be related to the Amherst Lavender’s.I need to check Allen’s file and see if he had a Catherine.I don’t recall her being one of his children.Maybe she came to Amherst with Belsora.Do you have anything else on her.Delaware is listed as being born in 1825.
I just sent you William Sorrell’s children.If you want me to send the file to Bill, let me know.Talk to you later.
Jackie
Countryg and Rob,
Have either of you looked at the 1830 Amherst, Albermarle & Botetourt Co census yet?
Bill
hi jackie,
all we have on catherine is that it was her daughter who married into our duff/cooper line.
“delaware” beverly is interesting. i have read that natives who did not “go for white” often used a first name that related to their background. i have also seen powhatan as a first name.
based on family history, it is my guess that when delaware married catherine, lavender was a native name. i can’t remember the source, but i know it once was. maybe, the buffalo ridge cherokee book.
have you ever run lavender by chief white eagle or cousin dorothy.
rob
Hi Bill,
I should have told you that the Amherst Lavenders started with William Charles Lavender Sr. b early 1700s in SC.They did buy land in Albermarle Co. which of course became Amherst.By 1830 most of them had left Amherst Co.The only two left were William and Allen.This Allen signed the marriage bond for Belsora and Joseph.I don’t have Allen’s children in my file.Someone did check for me a few years ago and there was no daughter who married a Carter.
I have checked the Amherst County census for 1830-1840.In 1830
Hill Carter has a son that is the right age for Joseph
Abram has a son the right age
Elizabeth has a son the right age
Creed has a son the right age
Joseph R has a son the right age
1830 Elizabeth, Creed and Joseph R are on the same page
Both William and Allen Lavender are have duaghters the right age but they have already been elimated.
Joseph R Carter had a son Joseph R Carter Jr.He is too young to be my Joseph.Joseph only had one son, William Henry Carter.I had hoped that was his father’s name, but must not be.
I went back and re-read some emails on the Lavenders.One girl said the Amherst Lavender’s had a connection to the Botetourt Lavender’s.Who knows, maybe Belsora was from there.Maybe that’s why they moved there after Amherst.
It is so confusing.I wish she hadn’t used so many first names.
Joseph Carter named one of his daughters Chastain Carter.There were Carters from Buckingham Co. who married Chastain wives.
There were three Jospeh Carter’s there.None were mine.That is the only clue I have found.
On Jospeh’s daughters marriage record he says he was from Amherst Co.Belsora was not listed on the marriage register.
I really appreciate your help.I don’y usually do too good on the early census.Maybe you have found something I missed.
I am going back in my files to see if I can find the article that said the Lavender’s all left Amherst except for William and Allen.I found the info online.
Jackie
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