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hello All, well the one single question that I’d like to ask this forums members is” what happened in history that has caused our ancestors to leave their homeland and move west into the regions unknown to them and to keep moving”?
I find this really quite interesting since so many of us share a common link of geography and time, where our people moved lived and relocated to. Did they know each other? Tom
Hello Tom,
Hope you are doing fine. I was wondering what time frame you are speaking to, regarding ancestors that moved out west. Are you talking about prior to the Trail of Tears, or afterwards? Take care & God Bless.
Sincerely,
CoheeLady
There were several migration periods prior to the Trail of Tears. The majority of the movement from central VA occurred during the mid 1700’s. Of course, their movement was due to the settlement of their lands. I would even venture to say that alot of them did know each other. But, you also have to stop and remember that they not only ventured west but north and south also. The Tuscarora Path through Pennsylvania leading to Canada was one path while the old counties of Greenbriar and Monroe in WVA (formerly VA counties) was another. Still yet, the old Occaneechi path was another in which they migrated and joined forces with their cousins in the south. It all depends on which line and what time frame you are looking at as to the movements. If you send me some of your info, I can try to narrow it down for you.
hello All, well I have been finishing off my mining season with a bad fall, 30′ into the river off a cliff, I nearly broke my arm and to say the least Iam really not impressed.
the time frame could be at any time it looks asthough there has been several movememnts out of the south . My own line seams to have left about 1820 from Sampson CO, Nc. But many lines moved in simalar directions, but what caused these amssive tribal relocations?
Tom
on one aunts lines during the mid 1900 from ark to texas some went to sharecrop for tj taylor he was the father of lady bird johnson. This was due to weather killing the crops in ark..I had family that went va to nc to kentucky, tn then mo one of the collins was a school teacher. Some collins went to az to ca to wash. they picked in the fields mostly apples, cotton, grapes.
If you are talking around the 1800’s, you may be looking at movement for jobs. Most of your VA/NC tribes by this point are no longer existing as a “tribe” but have joined forces with other remnants and live in what researches call “tri-racial” isolate groups. Some of these groups are best known as the Brass Ankles, Melungeons, Guineas, Portuguese, etc. The families of these different groups tend to move together as one outfit. This tells me that they were trying to stay together as much as possible. As I said, more than likely for jobs and to escape discrimination.
As for the movement into KY, what counties are you looking at, Fox? There are a number of settlements from the Collins line in Floyd, Pike, Fayette and Bourbon Counties as well as Eastern TN. This is Brenda’s line and she could probably tell you more of these lines.
yes me and brenda are cousins. The counties i know about on the collins are knox. My johnson lines were in wayne, pulaski co. 1810-1860 in kentucky. I also have the riley, chaney in kentucky. the jones, oaks, turnbulls, collins, johnson were usually found together.
Tom, what are you doing falling off cliffs at your age? What are you mining for? You mending well enough?
hello Linda and Co. I was mining for a fossilized shell of ammonite that is morphed in to a gem stone quality, very vibrant and very popular, but still relatively unknown.
It has all colors of the rainbow and sometinmes some very rare or unusual colors appear. I seam to have gotten over the shock of the fall but I fell sides ways like I was lying down, so as a friend pointed out you can’t stop yourself, I hit a large stone that shot me into the river,a soft landing but the weather is cool up here and I got hypothermic fast, it was just like an intense boot beating no “kicking”( for lack of an unappropriate word).
Anyway the “Forum”, I really like to see this kind of an exchage , because so many of us have such simalar history I often wonder why , what has caused our families to have such a coomon path, Linda’s family and mine have a somewhat simalr progression into the Wisconsin area, rather very interesting I think.
Perhaps if everyone gets together we can show a pathway for the old community members that left, I would like to see a number of old names and where they moved to at what time period.
My direct line that my family identfies with is, Hardin, 1830, White co, Tn moved through Kentucky into Indioan during the 1840’s and on into Wisc. by 1860. All the best Tom.
Tom & Linda
Some of Meredith Collins grandsons migerated to Meeker Co. in Minn. which is just next door to Wis. I was suprised to find a “Collinsvile Settlement” in the county and wondered if it was started by them. Two of Edward Collins sons went there shortly after the Civil War. Perhaps it was the Civil War/Freed Slaves issue. Just a thought.
Here are two emails that enlightened me on this:
Brenda
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Brenda – Have you researched the Collins that went to Minnesota ? Isham Collins b.ca1834-37 – this family was in 1860 McDowell – his wife appears to be Sarah b.ca1832-36
but he also had children by Dicy Roberts b.ca1836(she married 1872 Jacob Johnson). I would like to know Sarah’s maiden name. Isham Collins and what appears to be some of his children were in Meeker Co MN by 1880.
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1870 Meeker Co Minnesota
(I so far have only looked at New Virginia)
#41 William Collins 30 b.VA, Mary Jane 26 b. Ky
John W. 8 b.Ky; Nancy 6 b.Ky; William E. 4 b.MN; Taylor I. 1 b. MN.
(William Collins married 4-18-1861 Pike Co Ky Polly J. Hurley d/o Wm) – #60 William Hurley age 47 b. Ky; Isabelle 46 b.Va; Nancy 18 b.Ky; Miriam 16 b.Ky; Elizabeth 12 b. Ky; Alfred 4 b.Mn (William Hurley and family is #723 in 1860 Pike Co Ky)
#42 Isham Collins 46 b. VA; Sarah 45 b.Va; Mary 19, Annie 17; Lucy 15; Arminta 12; Eliza 11; Isham 9 (all ch b. Va)
#43 Edward Collins age 21 b.Va(only one in household)
Appears Collins “appeared” in MN about 1863 – the War could very easy have been the reason for the re-location.
My ancestors Isaac Roberts b. ca1800 and Dorcas Mullens Kelley Roberts b.ca1794 had a close association to the Collins – Edward Collins had a daughter Arminta b. ca1838 that married John Preston Roberts in 1859 McDcDowell Co (W)Va a son of Isaac and Dorcas Roberts. Isaac and Dorcas Roberts also had a daughter Dicy Roberts b. ca1834 – we find her in the 1870 Floyd Co Ky census: Dicy Roberts 44 b.Va; Louisa 16 b. Va; Arminda 14 b. Va; Pricy E. 12 b. Ky; Isom 9 b.Ky; James E. 6 b. Ky; Mary J. 3 b. Ky; Dorcas 70 b. Va….Dicy married 1872 in Wise Co Va Jacob Johnson – and this famil appears in the 1880 Lincoln Co WV census: Jacob JOhnson 69; Dicy 46; Isom Collins 21; James H. Collins 13; Mary Collins 11; Martha Johnson 8; Preston John 5, Elgen Thomberland 26 son in law; Arminta Thomberland 23 step daughter.
“Isham Roberts s/o Isham and Dicie Roberts Collins b. 1861 Martin Co Ky came to Lincoln Co WV in 1877. His mother resides in Lincoln Co but his father is in Minnesota”
“Elizabeth J. d/o Isham and Dicy Johnson Collins b. 1855 Ky m. 1872 Buchanan Co VA James P. Mullens”
I rather suspect Sarah and Dicy to be sisters – I thought Sarah deceased then Isham married Dicy and then he left for Minnesota but Seems he took Sarah and left Dicy.
When you look at the 1870 Census – the same children seem to appear in both households .
Would appreciate your input.
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Life is a Rainbow made up of Many Different Colors…..
Brenda Collins Dillon wrote: Tom & Linda
Some of Meredith Collins grandsons migerated to Meeker Co. in Minn. which is just next door to Wis. I was suprised to find a “Collinsvile Settlement” in the county and wondered if it was started by them. Two of Edward Collins sons went there shortly after the Civil War. Perhaps it was the Civil War/Freed Slaves issue. Just a thought.
Here are two emails that enlightened me on this:
Brenda
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Brenda – Have you researched the Collins that went to Minnesota ? Isham Collins b.ca1834-37 – this family was in 1860 McDowell – his wife appears to be Sarah b.ca1832-36
but he also had children by Dicy Roberts b.ca1836(she married 1872 Jacob Johnson). I would like to know Sarah’s maiden name. Isham Collins and what appears to be some of his children were in Meeker Co MN by 1880.
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1870 Meeker Co Minnesota
(I so far have only looked at New Virginia)
#41 William Collins 30 b.VA, Mary Jane 26 b. Ky
John W. 8 b.Ky; Nancy 6 b.Ky; William E. 4 b.MN; Taylor I. 1 b. MN.
(William Collins married 4-18-1861 Pike Co Ky Polly J. Hurley d/o Wm) – #60 William Hurley age 47 b. Ky; Isabelle 46 b.Va; Nancy 18 b.Ky; Miriam 16 b.Ky; Elizabeth 12 b. Ky; Alfred 4 b.Mn (William Hurley and family is #723 in 1860 Pike Co Ky)
#42 Isham Collins 46 b. VA; Sarah 45 b.Va; Mary 19, Annie 17; Lucy 15; Arminta 12; Eliza 11; Isham 9 (all ch b. Va)
#43 Edward Collins age 21 b.Va(only one in household)
Appears Collins “appeared” in MN about 1863 – the War could very easy have been the reason for the re-location.
My ancestors Isaac Roberts b. ca1800 and Dorcas Mullens Kelley Roberts b.ca1794 had a close association to the Collins – Edward Collins had a daughter Arminta b. ca1838 that married John Preston Roberts in 1859 McDcDowell Co (W)Va a son of Isaac and Dorcas Roberts. Isaac and Dorcas Roberts also had a daughter Dicy Roberts b. ca1834 – we find her in the 1870 Floyd Co Ky census: Dicy Roberts 44 b.Va; Louisa 16 b. Va; Arminda 14 b. Va; Pricy E. 12 b. Ky; Isom 9 b.Ky; James E. 6 b. Ky; Mary J. 3 b. Ky; Dorcas 70 b. Va….Dicy married 1872 in Wise Co Va Jacob Johnson – and this famil appears in the 1880 Lincoln Co WV census: Jacob JOhnson 69; Dicy 46; Isom Collins 21; James H. Collins 13; Mary Collins 11; Martha Johnson 8; Preston John 5, Elgen Thomberland 26 son in law; Arminta Thomberland 23 step daughter.
“Isham Roberts s/o Isham and Dicie Roberts Collins b. 1861 Martin Co Ky came to Lincoln Co WV in 1877. His mother resides in Lincoln Co but his father is in Minnesota”
“Elizabeth J. d/o Isham and Dicy Johnson Collins b. 1855 Ky m. 1872 Buchanan Co VA James P. Mullens”
I rather suspect Sarah and Dicy to be sisters – I thought Sarah deceased then Isham married Dicy and then he left for Minnesota but Seems he took Sarah and left Dicy.
When you look at the 1870 Census – the same children seem to appear in both households .
Would appreciate your input.
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Life is a Rainbow made up of Many Different Colors…..
This is very interesting too…
Most of these people are in this database:
http://www.coalexchange.com/smith/mcdowella/index.htm#TOC
Isaac Roberts’s grandson Isaac Roberts married my great grandfather’s sister Pheobe Addair.
from the database (Marshall is a son of the older Isaac and Dorcas Roberts, father of the younger Isaac):
Marshall Roberts Sr
1. 1850 Census, Wyoming Co, VA, Family 110.
Probably son of Isaac Roberts, RIN 700, of Family 109.
2. Internet e-mail, 22 Dec 1999, Rodney Veitschegger, Bowling Green, KY.
Dorcas had some children before 1825 that went by the name of Kelley;
children born after that date went by Roberts.
Marshall Roberts, son of Isaac and Dorcas Mullins Roberts, born abt 1825 in
KY, probably died during Civil War, married Dicey Riffe, daughter of William
and Sarah Trent Riffe.
Marshall Roberts was born in 1825 in Pike Co, KY; died 1864.
Dicey Riffe is a sister of my gggrandmother Mary (Polly) Riffe, who married John Collins Jr.
McDowell County was full of raiders from both sides during the Civil War. I had relatives on both sides. One ggggreat uncle was shot dead in his dooryard. The women in the family pulled up the porch floorboards to line his grave.
(Everybody in McDowell County is related to everybody else)
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