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Family history says my ggm Jennie Mae Taylor was 1/2 Blackfoot. She was born 7 Oct 1880 near Shelbyville IN and died 22 Feb 1971 in Bertrand MO.
Her mother was Emma Maud last name unknown, reportedly from New Orleans. She died in 1943 near Shelbyville, IN. She was married to J’ep Taylor then to Jack Dolan: no dates known.
Her father was reportedly Blackfoot Indian, not J’ep Taylor. I have no knowledge of him.
I have done no research on this other than a cursory look at Ancestry.com records and interviews with family members who remember Jennie. I also have a photo from 1920 showing Jennie who looks like she is part Indian. I need to look at Shelbyville area records.
Your ideas on this are appreciated.
Who did Jennie Taylor marry?
Please list one of her children’s names to provide me with a check on the information. There are quite a few Jennie Taylors around Shelbyville.
Bill
Thanks Bill. Your sources around Shelby County are better than mine. Jennie Mae “Taylor” married Marion Elmer Resler about 1896. Don’t know where. Her kids:
Mable Winifred Resler b 20 Apr 1898 near Converse
Clara Belle Resler b 15 June 1900 near Converse
Marion Fredrick Resler b 6 Dec 1905 in Peru, IN
William Donald Resler b 22 Mar 1909 near Mexico, IN
They both died in Bertrand MO in 1964 and 1971 respectively.
There might be a few that remember her and or her mother in and around Miami or Shelby County. None of the relations I know are in the area and they know nothing but her dad was supposedly Blackfoot. I am guessing Miami not Blackfoot!
Marion ‘Rusler’ m’d Jennie Taylor on 3 March 1897 in Grant Co., In.
per Indiana Marriage Collection Index database.
(his name is misspelled on the Index)
Marion is the county seat of Grant County up in n.central Indiana if you want to find it on a map.
1900 Howard Co., Ind; ED67 Jackson Twp; 4 June; Sheet 2A
29, 29:
RESLER, Elmer; Day Laborer; (born) Jan 1871, 29, Ind, Mo, Ind.
……….., Jennie M; wife; Oct 1880, 19, Ind, Ind, Ind.
……….., Mabel W; dau; Apr 1898, 2, Ind, Ind, Ind.
CLAIR, William; Brother; Apr 1875, 25, Ind, Mo, Ind.
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The birthstate listed for Elmer’s father of Missouri appears to be incorrect based on other census info.
Additionally, Elmer and Jennie are listed as m’d for 3 yrs.
If Marion Elmer Resler is the son of Charles (b.abt. 1849) and Frances (b.abt.1851) Resler who lived in 1880 Miami Co., Ind, he did have a brother named William.
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In 1910, Marion E and Jennie M. Resler lived in Scott Co., Mo, the next county north of Bertrand, which is in Mississippi County.
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On the 1930 Shelby Co., Ind census there is an Emma Dolan, 66, b. Ind, wife of John J. Dolan, b.abt.1869. Is this the Dolan that Emma married?
Bill
Thanks again Bill.
Some interesting stuff – your search techniques are good. Last evening I found that 1900 Howard Co Census. I believe that is my gggf & gggm. Elmer’s father was Charles b 1849 in Ohio.
(strange they would list the brother William’s last name as Clair, my records show a sibling named Clair but I thought it was a woman?)
I believe the 1930 Shelby Co census shows my 2G gm and her 2nd husband “Jack” Dolan. It is interesting to note that it implies (1) Emma was about 16 when she had Jennie and (2) she wasn’t married i.e. her first marriage was when she was 22.
So with these facts maybe I am a little closer to that lost Indian 2G gf?
Is the ‘p’ in “J’ep” the old fashioned way of writing a double ‘s’ ?
If so, that would make his name “Jess” Taylor.
Don’t know if it might be Jess. J’ep is the way I wrote it in my notes which source is lost. Nobody alive to tell what it was.
I figured it was short for Joseph which has gotten me no good results. But I’ll try Jess or Jesse. Thanks for the suggestion.
I figure its time to follow up on my original post about Jennie. I have taken two autosomal dna tests and have had the results looked at through special dna interpretation software. The conclusion is that I am 100 European ancestry (very broadly, caucasian) and have zero Asian/Amer Indian ancestry at least out to 4-great grandparents or so. That means Jennie was not 1/2 Indian or even 1/8.
If there is nothing but Caucasian blood, why would the story have been told? The only reasonable accusation I’ve heard about why people would say that they were Blackfoot, in that time frame, was that they were trying to hide some other non-white ancestry, presumably, African. But if you were lilly white during the Indian Wars and Jim Crow, why in the world would you be claiming otherwise? Just for fun? It makes no sense. People are ignorantly projecting their own values onto the past. There may be some ‘romance’ in claiming Indian ancestry now, in the post ‘Dances with Wolves’ generation, but in our forebears past it was their worst nightmare, if they were ‘passing’ for white, to have that sort of skeleton in their closet. They’re not going to say it unless there’s something going on and then only hushed to family members, if they’re sure other family members aren’t going to find out and cream them for it.
I’ve heard objections to the DNA testing. You may not have inherited any of those DNA markers. It doesn’t mean your Ancestors didn’t have them.
You may find you get more reliable results by tracking down someone on another line of descent from that person, especially if they have some physical characteristics that seem suggestive.
Suffice it to say that the family story was Jennie was illigitimate 1/2 Indian born Miami Co, Indiana in 1875. The story came to me in 1965 when Jennie’s mother, my grandmother, died and my dad came back from the funeral with the “secret”. I think it was my guess that Blackfoot was a logical tribe to look at but maybe my dad put the idea in my head.
I suspect her fam concluded this because she did not look “white”, she looked part Indian i.e. darker skin, “Indian” nose, straight dark hair. All who could say are gone.
As far as the accuracy of autosomal dna tests, I believe they can determine general ancestry pretty well and I believe they are very accurate if you have an Indian great great grandparent. But it is very hard to recruit testees and it is almost impossible to tell if one 2nd cousin tests for Indian ancestry that another 2nd cousin shares the ancestor that passed on that dna. After all we would be looking at only 2 common ancestors out of 16, 8 for each 2nd cousin with only one your part-Indian ancestor. What if the cousin had a different part-Indian great grandparent?
Of course if you have strictly paternal line or maternal line Indian ancestry then Y-DNA or mitochondrial DNA testing will probably confirm that since Indians have unique Y-DNA and mtDNA.
Based on the ancestry of some of my matches I now believe her ancestry was from one of the darker caucasian tribes e.g. the Turks. The tests I have taken do not distinguish between the various Caucasian tribes or types which include Europeans to East Indians, Arabs, Uzbeks, etc. Since most testees are “white” the tests say they/we are European even if we have Arab ancestry.
Morals of the story – do not trust family stories and if you do DNA tests expect the unexpected.
Different autosomal DNA tests can have different results. Mine did. Autosomal results depend on the whatever studies they used to compare the results to.
Techteach
(Hi, Cousin Ray!)
I turned up with no detectable NA also. Here’s what they say:
How can we be sure this person has no genetically Native American ancestors in the past five generations, and what is the likelihood prior to that?
To address this question we start with the observation that people who identify themselves as Native American exhibit fairly consistent Ancestry Painting proportions of about 75% Asian and 25% European, plus or minus 10%. The reason: Native Americans descend from a small number of people who crossed the Bering land bridge from Siberia more than 14,000 years ago. In Ancestry Painting, Siberians and people from many other central and northern Asian locales tend to have a roughly three-to-one proportion of Asian to European DNA simply because they lie geographically and thus genetically intermediate between the Asian reference population, which consists of Japanese and Han Chinese individuals, and the European reference population, which consists of Americans of northern European descent.
Next we consider what would happen to that three-to-one Asian/European proportion over the generations if a Native American and a partner of all-European descent had a child, who then reproduced with another all-European partner, and so on. In such a case, the amount of Asian DNA in each successive generation’s Ancestry Painting would necessarily diminish, until at some point it disappeared altogether.
To get an empirical idea of how this process works, we simulated SNP genotypes for 1,000 people with one Native American and one European parent, then 1,000 people with one Native American parent and three European grandparents, and so on down the line. Then we ran all these simulated individuals through Ancestry Painting, and looked at the range of Asian and European DNA percentages for each kind of relationship. (We also looked at the African percentages for these simulations, but those were nearly always zero, or a trace at most.)
We found that it takes at least five generations after the appearance of a Native American for the percentage of Asian (orange) DNA to reach zero. So we’re able to say with confidence that a person with an all-European Ancestry Painting (actually, 99.74% European or greater) did not have any genetically Native American ancestors in the past five generations.In other words, the simulations suggest that Barbara Bauer could have a Native American ancestor no closer than a great-great-great-grandparent.
What are the chances that a person in the United States with an all-European Ancestry Painting does have Native American ancestry from more than five generations back? It’s impossible to know for sure, but we can say that in our ancestry survey, “Where Are You From?”, 4.3% of our customers with Ancestry Paintings indicating greater than 99.74% European DNA said they had some Native American ancestry.
It’s possible that some of those customers are mistaken; then again, it’s also possible that there are other customers who have Native American ancestors more than five generations back but are unaware of it.
If you have reliable evidence, such as a genealogical record, that contradicts this conclusion, we would appreciate hearing about it. There are two options: First, you may contact us privately by email; to do so, please click Send feedback with code to include a special code in your message that tells us how you were classified. Second, you may use the Discuss this feature link (also above) to post your evidence where other customers can see it.
I was wondering what the reference populations for Europeans and Asians were for these autosomal DNA tests. I have central Asian ancestry, and wondered how they’d fit into the picture. I also have a nice blend of European and some Indian, with a bit of Polynesian and a trace of African.
So I took one of those autosomal DNA tests several years back. Come out 100% European, which is kinda funny, cause I’ve never been able to pass as full white. Just the other day a fellow at the bank asked my background, saying my eyes looked “kinda slanty”.
My dad, maternal grandparents and some great aunts and uncles took the same test, the results were closer to their real ancestry. I must have inherited all the European genes, or the company screwed up the test.
from 23andme again:
23andMe takes advantage of publicly available data for four populations studied extensively via the International HapMap project (hapmap.org). That project obtained the genotypes for 60 individuals of western European descent from Utah, 60 western African individuals from Nigeria, and 90 eastern Asian individuals, 45 from each of Japan and China. Because the two eastern Asian populations are geographically near one another and relatively similar at the genetic level, 23andMe combines these to form a single eastern Asian reference population.
Does make you wonder about those Utah Europeans, doesn’t it? I know I have cousins there – and would assume they have some of the the same unclear origins some of my family has.
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