Greetings Cousins

Jogdelog John,

Welcome to SaponiTown! My story is somewhat like yours. After years of searching for one specific ancestor that my family oral history says was Blackfoot I have still not found them. They appear to be German from a quick look, but have still not proven it either way. What I have found is that most or all of the lines that married into that one are Saponi or Catawba. The line that was Catawba some in my family labelled as Cherokee. I don’t share your surnames but have cousins today named Bolling and Carter.

Billahuk for joining us!

-Marc

Heya John, welcome to Saponitown.

If you look below at my names you will see many in common and I can tell you that many of your other names connect on my end to those we have in common. btw, the Cossarts who stayed in NC kept the Cozart spelling. There is much info in the archives on most of your names.

Again, welcome home.

John Cheek;37338 wrote: I’m going to list my links to the Saponi, Cheraw and maybe Monacan tribes here.. First off I’m just going to say that I can’t prove anything about these people, all I can do is repeat what I’ve found on Ancestry.com and other Genealogy sites.. My Grandmother was Bessie Ellis who’s Grandmother was Annie Elizabeth Ailstock, who’s GreatGrandfather was Absalom Ailstock. Absalom was listed as a mulatto, and he served in the Revolutionary War as a free man.. Absalom claimed that his father was Cornstalk, Chief of the Shawnee.. Story was a relative of Cornstalk captured Absalom’s mother, Cornstalk adopted her then married her, having children with her including Absalom, his brothers Michael and Abraham.. After Absalom’s brother was killed at point pleasant the three youngest boys returned to the whites and were adopted by the Ailstock family in Louisa county Virginia.. Absaloms wife was Sarah “Sally” Goins, Sarah’s mother was Agnes Goins, Sarahs father may have been according to some that I’ve read, “Old Tom Collins” the Saponi Patriarch of the Melungeon Collins in Hancock County Tenn. Absalom and Sally, lived amongst the Monacans in Louisa CountyVirginia.

Grandfather was Frank Gilbert, whose mother was Wealtha Ann Lunsford, whose grandfather was Ellison G Mangum, whose grandfather was John Taylor Duke Sr. whose mother was Thamar Taylor.. who was the supposedly full blooded Saponi, adopted by John Duke’s parents, James Duke, and Mary Elizabeth Byrd…

Also in Grandfather Gilberts Tree is Unity “Montie” Harris. 1694 to 1753 listed on ancestry as “Cherokee”, but she was from Rockingham county NC near Goinstown.. I think she was Either Saponi or Cheraw. her line goes through The Harris’s Mangums and Lunsfords to my Grandfather Frank Gilbert.

One more on Grandpa Gilberts tree is Jane Etheridge “Cheraw” This line goes from Grandpa Franks Grandmother Pricilla March Gilbert to Rebecca, John, Elijah, and Benjamin Creech to Jane “Cheraw Indian” Etheridge born 1675 in Cheraw territory married to Thomas Etheridge 1673 to 1736..

I don’t have paper trails back to all thes Inidans, and there are some who don’t like anything that can’t be proved to be shared.. I would say the one I’m most skeptical about is that “Old Tom Collins” and Agnes Goins are Sarah Goins Parents… The story about the Ailstocks being related to Cornstalk is retold by many family members, and not beleived by others. The story is included in Don Green and Noel Shuts book “Shawnee Heritage”. I know that Green is not a very well respected source, but I have seen the story from family members also.

Those are some of the Indian storys I’ve found in the last few years of climbing the family tree, there are others going back to Jamestown and the Pamunkeys…

John Cheek

Paternal Surnames: Cheek, Wilkerson, Wilkinson, Webb, Green, Moss, Shepard, Wees, LeGrand, Godby, West, Claiborne, Martin, Croshaw, Carter, Bolling, Crews, Bland.

Maternal Surnames: Gilbert, Ellis, Thompson, Mangum, Lunsford, Taylor, Wallace, Morris, Etheridge, Creech, Ailstock, Goins, Collins, Cossart, Valentine, Crowshaw, Blackwell, Vess, Byrd,

well our ancestors were very portable… 😛 well don’t write off any cherokee just because they are where you don’t think they should be.

like Cornstock lived around the time he died in creek territory.

and one of his oldest sons name is Ellinipisco .

SO this is a young man claiming the name and authority like the Mayan Yohl ik nal did .

• Yohl Ik’nal 583-604 AD (female)
• Aj Ne’ Yohl Mat 605-612 AD

both actually

and the cherokee Ollie Ni onee did .

why they sound kind of different in 1600 years I don’t know. but sounds in time can change depending on who or what is effecting the languages who is reading it and who is peaking it , I guess ..

but I’m quite sure it is the same name and should be the same

prefix or like Title/ linage or clan .

.. and that they are all with claims to the same sort of ‘authority’.

and by the way Attakullkulla died in ‘creek territory’ and his daughter married Pumpkin boy..

oh and Attakullkulla died about the same time as ‘Cornstock’.. but I find it odd the cherokee don’t remember how Attakullakulla died or can’t agree even when .

and they don’t know that by his adopted father he had rights in the Shawnee by Paternal lineages.

and Attakullakulla had rights by his adopted mother in the cherokee but was raised in the shawnee until older so the bulk of “cherokee” maybe didn’t even know who he was really or even that he was adopted .. and he was maternally Siskiska( I learned or remembered it as ‘Michigan indians” or something that sounds like that ) and paternally Chickasaw by blood. so maybe some of that info might help you sort out your info and your ancestors locations .

and maybe this info was kind of hidden on purpose and why cherokee / kittawah (maybe through Ross’s heavy hand )was it

“protected” or maybe just ( sat on) the Shawnee and Delaware for so long in Oklahoma ?

I just had to drag out the old bones from that closest , because they been hiding in there for a very long time.

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I know what I think I know or I think i remembered and proving these indian things with white folks papers and ” records ” isn’t working very well for me either. but eventually I find stuff that proves what I thought I remembered being told at least close enough to pass on as

” just look in it ” and “as a springboard for more research” because “I remembered being told something like that” .

so play with that info . because that is as close as I can get to the truth with the paperwork available and what I remember.