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Bill, When you get a chance could you take a look and see if you can find anything on her and see if there is any indication that she could be Native American or listed as FPC or mulatto. Mary was the wife of Henry George sr. The son of Elsey George the Tuckahoe Indian of the Souix tribe of Virginia. Mary Elizabeth Murphy married Henry George sr. about 1830 in Randolph co,Virginia. She was born Nov.20,1794 in Barbour co,West Virginia and died Dec,26 1857 in Roane co,West virginia. I read a post this past week that said she may have been NA. I just can’t remember where I read it. Who knows there may be something that mentions her mother-in-law the Tuckahoe Indian. Thanks.
Waitman,
Roane Co was created in 1856 from Gilmer Co. and other counties
1850 Gilmer Co., (W)Va Census, 17th District; pg 16 B, 23 August, at visit 224:
Henry George; 62, m, – , farmer, $220, Va.
Mary…………; 58, f, – , Va. (“58” could be “52”)
Henry………..; 15, m, – , Va.
Thank you Bill. I am glad spring is almost here so I can get out and start going to these counties and look at the records in the courthouses.
Just wanted to jump in and say Hello. Waitman was nice enough to tell me about your webpage and I find it very interesting, indeed. I descend through Alcy (Elsy) Frazy and her husband Reuben George. Alcy and Reuben were married at Stoney Hill, New Jersey in 1780 and after Reuben was discharged from the Army in 1818, they moved to Pendelton County, Virginia. Alcy (Elsey) Frazy is said to be (according to family Bible) a Tuckahoe Indian of the Souix Tribe of the Salty Sea of Virginia. I am not sure if I belong here or not but after doing a bit of reading I think I just might. Tutelo sure sounds a lot like Tuckahoe, depending on the accent that is saying the name. I hope that we can work well together and break down some walls.
Ellen
Hi, Ellen, and Welcome to the Forum.
I don’t think anyone has solved the Alcy Frazy puzzle yet, but it gets worked on from time to time. Do you know in which time period that family Bible was recorded?
Bill
Bill, At the moment all I tell you is that Alcy was 66 years old. It was written at the time of her death. I do not have the page from the Bible out here in our cabin (husband’s radio room) but the next time I am able to put my hands on it I shall be happy to give complete details. That’s saying a lot since our daughter and granddaughter sleep in my computer room.It is really hard to get to my files. Another thing that I really need is the proof of Mary Elizabeth Murphy’s marriage to Henry George. If you find out anything, please let me know.
I haven’t found a marriage record for Henry George and Mary Murphy.
Hope you don’t find this a distraction, but there is something else to be considered in this case.
Most of the GEORGEs in early W.Va. counties, seem to belong to the Hopewell Monthly Meeting’s “Ancient Society of Friends” (“Quakers”) from Hampshire Co. until about the 1830s when some kind of “scism” ocurred and many of the disadents (many GEORGEs among them) moved out to the Falls Creek M.M. in Highland Co., Ohio and were consequently “dismissed” because they joined the “Separtists” of Elijah HICKS at the Falls Creek MM.
While you said Henry George came from NJ, there are some coincidences that should be checked out………
In these Quaker records, a Henry George, b.6-2-1786, m. Tamar Grimes (same guy, earlier marriage?). This Henry was the son of Richard and Mary (Cowgill); Richard, son of Ellis and Lydia (Lupton) George, from Frederick Co., Va. (On the way from NJ?)
Wills in Hampshire Co. back up this line of descent. (“West Virginia Estate Settlements”). There are several “Henrys” in this area in the time period of your Henry.
I can’t quite pin your Henry on these people but I was able to cross reference a lot of (W)Va GEORGEs in Quaker records to early census records for this area so the Quaker connection is something you should look into. The Quakers were anathema to most Colonials for a number of reasons – wouldn’t serve in militas; didn’t attend Anglican Churchs or pay tithes to that church; had a habit of setting up schools to educate members of the “heathen race” (Indians) in the christian religion and then marrying them off to their children resulting in mixed race grandchildren 🙂
Certainly something to consider.
Bill, Seems as though I made an error. Reuben and wife Alcy Frazy George moved to Augusta County Virginia shortly after their son, John (June 1784) was born. In 1787 their son James was born on November 30th. Augusta Co. was then divided up to form other cousties and lands owned by the Georges became Pendelton Co. This is where Henry George was born on November 25, 1790. Reuben died on January 16, 1832 but before that his wife Alcy Frazy George preceded him by passing away on July 27,1821. This information can be seen in a book (possiblely just an article) called History of Wirt County by William Mitchell, Wirt County Historian, along with a picture of Reuben and numerous more childrens information. It always helps to have your information in front of you “before” posting. This article also states that Henry and Mary Murphy George lived in Barbour County. But, hey, I have an open mind to genealogy. Nothing is as it seems and then sometimes it is more so.
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