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I was told by my grandfather, John Turner, that we are blackfeet. He showed me a black and white photo of his grandfather standing next to a huge turtle which I would guess to be taken in the early 1900’s. His grandfather definitely looked Native American, but blackfeet doesn’t make sense since everyone in our family’s genealogy can be traced back to McMinn County Tennessee. In trying to figure this out, I came across Saponitown. But now, I think my head is even more twisted in a knot! 🙂
These are my ancestors:
Turners: John Winston, Ezekiel Johns, Jefferson Davis, Unknown, and Haysher H.. All of these men can be traced back to McMinn County, TN. Haysher can be further traced to Virginia, then Delaware, and then Ireland.
Charmichael: Jane; Traced to Scotland
Johns: Susan Elizabeth, Ezekiel Jr., and Ezekiel Sr.. All are traced back to McMinn County. Ezekiel Sr. had a wife named Lydia whose origin is unknown.
Richards: Adaline & Leonora; origin unknown
Black: Julia Agnes, James Marshall Jr. & James Marshall Sr.. Although Julia’s death was in McMinn County, the origin of her parents, James Marshall Jr. and Elizabeth Wade are unknown.
Wade: Elizabeth; origin unknown
If anyone recognizes McMinn County or one of the names listed above, please contact me at cmdale70@msn.com I’d appreciate any information you can offer. My guess is that our Blackfeet ancestry is from the Blacks since they are the only ones whose genealogy dead ends.
Hi Christine,
May I first say that your avatar is lovely. I do so enjoy the pictures.
I hope others more knowledgable than I will answer you. Have you entered your names in the search feature?
I recognize Wade, Richards, and Turner as names I think I recall seeing here. And then you can enter your names, dates and info under Share Genealogy and someone may help you out. ~ Glad you have joined us.:)
Thanks! 🙂
I laid out everything in front of me this morning and tried to figure out who was in the photo by process of elimination.
The only two men who would have been the right age for the photo were Jefferson Davis Turner and James Marshall Black. I have a photo of Jefferson, so I know he is definitely not Native American.
I have very little information for James.
His daughter, my great-grandmother, was Julia Agnes Black:
Julia Agnes Black
Born 7 Nov 1892 in McMinn County, TN
Died 1 Sep 1951 in McMinn County, TN
Married Ezekiel Johns Turner in McMinn County, TN
Her parents were James Marshall Black & Elizabeth Wade:
James Marshall Black
Born 13 Nov 1866
Died 30 Sep 1956 in McMinn County TN
Nancy Elizabeth Wade
Born 4 Apr 1866
Died 19 May 1954
James’ parents were James Marshall Black and Vesta Emily Green:
James Marshall Black
Born 16 Jul 1832 possibly in TN
Married 1 Oct 1851 in Meigs County, TN
Died 21 Jan 1906 in TN
Vesta Emily Green
Born 4 Mar 1832 in Meigs County, TN
Died 01 Mar 1915 in McMinn County, TN
Vesta’s mother’s name was Hannah.
Welcome Christine,
You can use the search function and look for your surnames. I can assure you that you will find Green, as that is one of my surnames. There are at least two Green lines here on this forum, though. Mine doesn’t connect with the other one that I am aware of. However, the Blackfoot story is in my line too, as is the case with many of us.
Techteach
Christine,
James Marshall Black:
The only BLACK in 1850 Meigs Co, Tn is in the 22nd Subdivision, p.409, Household 809:
George M. Black, 54, m, W, Blacksmith, $0, Va.
Frances……….., 40, f, W, NC.
MARSHALL…….., 15, m, W, Tenn (George M?? or James??) age is close.
John……………., 14, m, W, Tenn
James………….., 13, m, W, Tenn
Harriet…………., 4, f, W, Tenn.
but I can’t fathom why they might have 2 James, if indeed both are their sons. I didn’t find any of this family in 1860 records. I have doubts this is the correct family but they may be related.
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Nancy E. Wade:
1870 McMinn Co., Tenn Census; 2nd Civil District; 29 August; p.15; Household 102:
WADE, W. D.; 41, m, W, Wagon Maker; $800, $200, Tenn
……., Louisa; 32, f, W, Tenn
……., James; 15, m, W, Tn
……., Martha; 12, f, W, Tn
……., Anderson; 10, m, W, Tn
……., Angeline; 10, f, W, Tn
……., NANCY; 5, f, W, Tn
……., Emma; 2, f, W, Tn
……., Liney; 5/12, f, W, Tn
1860 McMinn Fed Census, 2nd Civil Dist., 15 June; p.27, listed “W.D.” as William D. Wade.
William D. Waide marr’d Louisa Wattenbarger, 4 Oct 1853, McMinn Co., Tn.
(source: Tngenweb index to McMinn Co. marriages)
William D. Wade’s parents purported to be
James Wade/Waid
b.abt. 1801 Va
d. 1842 McMinn Co., Tenn (1840 McMinn Fed Census, p.86, as James Waide)
m’d 26 Oct 1827 McMinn Co., Tn
Louisa Spradling
b. abt. 1812 Va.
d. 14 Jul 1897 McMinn Co., Tn
dau of Richard Spradling Sr, b.abt.1775 Va, d. 15 Dec 1870 McMinn Co., Tenn; who m’d Elizabeth Beaver/Baber, b.abt.1776, d.abt.1843.
James Wade/Waide’s parents are purported to be
David Waid and Rebecca _?_.
I found a family tree for James and Louisa Spradling Wade, listing children:
1) William D., b. 5 Oct 1828 McMinn Co., Tn, d. 29 Sep 1872 McMinn Co., Tn.
2) Granville H., b. 24 Mar 1832 McMinn Tn, d. 1916 Rhea Co., Tn
3) Silas W., b. 3 Aug 1834 McMinn Tn, d. 1902 McMinn Tn
4) Malinda “Linnie”, b. Jan 1837
5) James P., b. 15 Jan 1840 McMinn Tn, d. 23 Jan 1863 Stones River, Rutherford Co., Tn – civil war casualty.
Silas and James P. Wade are on the 1860 McMinn Fed Census.
Silas m’d Adaline P. McKeehan 18 Dec 1856 McMinn Co., Tn.
James P. m’d Sarah J. Fields 5 Sep 1857 McMinn Co., Tn.
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Louisa Wattenbarger
b. 20 Nov 1836 Washington Co., Tenn
d. 27 Mar 1924 McMinn Co., Tenn.
1900 McMinn Fed Census, Dist. 78, 2nd Civil Dist., household 4:
WADE, Louisa; farmer, W, f, Nov 1836, 63, Widow; Tn, Tn, Va.
BLACK, Manda E.; G.Daughter; W, f, July 1885, 14, Tn, Tn, Tn; At School.
Louisa is listed as having had 8 children with 6 still living.
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The tree from which the specific dates came, lists William & Louisa Wade’s daughter “Elizabeth” married “Jim Black”, no date.
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Louisa is purported (could not verify this) to be the dau of
Michael Wattenbarger
b. 30 May 1804 Washington Co., Tn; d. 1 Sep 1879 McMinn Co., Tn
m’d 9 Sep 1824 Washington Co., Tn
Nancy Ann Whistler
b. 1 Jun 1808 Shenandoah Co., Va
d. 31 Oct 1882 McMinn Co., Va
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Michael’s parents purported to be
John Adam Wuertemberger (Jr)
b. 22 Feb 1760 Berks Co., Pa
d. July 1825 Washington Co., Tn
m’d 4 Feb 1783 Berks Co., Pa
Elizabeth Fentzler
b. 4 Dec 1768 Berks Co., Pa
d. abt. 1830 Tenn.
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John Jr’s parents purported to be
John Adam Weurtemberger (Sr)
b.abt. 1735 Wuerttemberg, Germany
d. abt. 1782 Berks Co., Pa.
m’d abt. 1757 Berks Co., Pa
Anna Maria Strohecker/Stroeher
b.abt. 1738 Berks Co., Pa
d. abt. 1782 Berks Co., Pa
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The Ezekiel Johns Sr in your notes, appears to be a “Jr”.
The Ezekiel Johns on the 1830 McMinn Co., Tenn Fed Census is 60 to 69 yrs old.
Ezekiel Johns on the 1840 McMinn Co., Tenn Fed Census is 30 to 39 yrs old and corresponds to the Ezekiel Johns, Susan’s father, on the 1870 McMinn Census with Lenora Richards, 62, in his household.
The probability is high that the older Ezekiel is the father of the younger one and a family tree was found purporting this to be fact:
Ezekiel Johns, b. abt. 1808 Buncombe Co., NC, d. 1880’s McMinn Co., Tn
parents purported to be:
Ezekiel Johns, b.abt. 1771 Mecklenburg Co., NC, d. 1830’s McMinn Co., Tn,
m’d abt. 1797 Hancock Co., Ga, Lydia Harrison, b.abt. 1773, SC.
Ezekiel Johns, b.1771, parents purported to be
Zephaniah John, b.abt. 1750 Craven Co, SC (no such county in SC but there is one in NC), d.abt. 1830 Knox Co., Tn; m’d abt. 1768 Mecklenburg Co., NC,
Elizabeth _?_, b.abt. 1752 Mecklenburg Co., NC, d. bef. 1830 Knox Co., Tn.
Zephaniah John’s parents purported to be
David John/Jones, b.abt. 1716 New Castle, De, d.abt. 1764 Burke, Ga,
m’d 1) abt. 1732 New Castle, De; Elizabeth _?_, b.abt. 1714 De., d.abt. 1743 Craven Co., SC (prob. NC).
m’d 2) abt. 1743 Craven Co, Mary Moore, b.abt. 1723 Craven Co., d. 22 Oct 1777 Mecklenburg Co., NC.
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I haven’t been able to push your Richards or Turner people back further.
Bill
I can’t even find words to express my gratitude!!! I never expected to find out this much information, much less to have someone so generously spend their own time digging!!!
My mind is just swimming right now!!! THANK YOU! 🙂
The birthdate does seem to be a little off for James Marshall Black… and I found James’ parents written on the back of my Pedigree Chart… they are listed as G.W. Black and Elizabeth Jinnings.
G. W. Black
Born 12 Feb 1800 in White County, TN
Married 1825 in White County, TN
Died aft 1838 in Carroll County, Arkansas
Elizabeth Jinnings
Born 2 Jul 1804 in White County, TN
But, I have a hunch that Techteach is right and the blackfoot line would be through Vesta Emily Green. Vesta and James are listed as having lived in Meigs, White, and McMinn Counties… all in Tennessee, I believe.
I found a James M. Black and Vesta E. Black on the 1880 census for Meigs County. Their ages and children match, so I’m sure it’s them. James lists his parents as having been born in Virginia (father) and North Carolina (mother) while Vesta lists hers as being born in Tennessee. Both are listed as white, not native american… of course, my son’s birth certificate lists his father as caucasion and he’s full-blood Ojibwe… so, how do you know for sure!?
For the rest, my mind is just swimming and I’ll have to try to absorb everything… I’ll post more later.
Again, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP! 🙂
What a lot of us have found is that, if you find one Indian line, you’ll find others, they all ran together. So I’d suggest looking at your Turners, also, I’ve seen that name come up, and Richards, and as Techteach said, the Greens.
I had Ulms in Berks Co, PA in the same time frame. Some of them ended up in WV, I suspect marrying native women. If your Wertemburgers were in the same community, you may be able to trace them back to Germany. The Lutheran church kept really good records way, way back.
Linda wrote: What a lot of us have found is that, if you find one Indian line, you’ll find others, they all ran together. So I’d suggest looking at your Turners, also, I’ve seen that name come up, and Richards, and as Techteach said, the Greens.
I had Ulms in Berks Co, PA in the same time frame. Some of them ended up in WV, I suspect marrying native women. If your Wertemburgers were in the same community, you may be able to trace them back to Germany. The Lutheran church kept really good records way, way back.
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