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http://www.randolphcountyillinois.net/sub2.htm
where my Barbe Laplante, born 1775ish in Ste Geneieve MO was most likely one of these tribes mentioned in this article and at least in part or in whole of Illini confederacy. does anyone know who were all the tribes in the Illini confederacy? wow that article says like 4500 indians just in that town and at that fort .. wow..
so this Barbie was where my Missee/ Mace/ Massey line is from or is connected too .
this is my dad’s direct maternal line. and it is from my dad’s direct grandma, thus my great grandma , and where I got my stories from, or (really now just remember just hints from the stories).
I had thought that my LaPlante line had the connection to Pohattan’s daughter someplace ,somehow , which still might be . but there are Hopkins( which they might still turn out to be the Barbe LaPlante line yet ) and skinners US (Peltiers? canada) who actually looking for something like that possibility somehow also in canada near the Bauchamp line . as I am also a Skinner too.
but I can find “sioux” on ancestry boards in the Dakotas who are ‘ La Plante’ and so they must have originally been some of these , or mixes tribes in the confederacy who were moved out to illinois because of that treaty .
so does anyone know if the Illinois confederacy tribes claim at all to be related to the Siouan/ or Alleg ,Allegewi tribes somehow ? as in ALLE, ILLi, Ollie etc I’z pretty sure that they are. but the question is, does anyone know if they claim it?
just thought it was a fyi for connected lines.
one interesting point is that if Laplante originated in MO/IL/IN then they are now all over the south and as such would have been backtracking with other native people it seems to me .. during all those years that indians were not supposed to be headed that way/east , the “real indians” if we believe Oklahoma anyway , were all only supposed to be going west. so my laplante line was west and went to the east. :p
Linda;36507 wrote: The Illiniwek were Algonquin.
well a few sites searched on subjects found in this websites contents .
some of them talked about some of the siouan tribes in the area, and other who started coming there and even choctaw coming to the parish, all indians in the area of many tribes were going there to go to church/mass?
so it is a very interesting group/city and the at time with many tribes were making connections or passing through that area .
the historical records of that parish seems like something to study more deeply about if anyones family could have been some of those 4500 natives and a hand full of french in that area , not counting the ones coming from the northeast and up from the south in later years, and those coming directly across the Mississippi
like old settlers etc , even if it was some choctaws in the area coming to church .
I just thought it was some very interesting history and more possible records of indians moving through or around and or to the boot hill areas may have their people recorded in these areas.
as for them being Algonquin, well maybe there was some connections through these Algonquin and Pohattan somehow never to be remembered except for folks claiming a “princess’ from the pohattan’s family ” because that is all anyone can remember now. very :confused: seems I sure forgot something important š
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mostegen/history.html
“Around 1787, the Spanish government, who had acquired the territory from France in 1762, brought in a band of Shawnese and Delaware Indians, who had been friendly to the French, to help protect the settlers from the Osage.”
and so we can add Shawnee and Delaware to the mix also.
“Represented on maps as early as 1507, the Gulf of Mexico inlet now known as Mobile Bay was navigated by European seafarers in 1519 when ships under the command of Spanish Admiral Alonso Alvaraz de Pineda sought a safe harbor in which to undertake repairs. The bay area was not really explored, however, until 1558. It was included in the vast region that was claimed for France’s King Louis XIV and was named Louisiana by French explorer Robert Cavelier de La Salle in 1682. France authorized two brothers, Pierre Le Moyne d’Iberville and Jean Baptiste Le Moyne de Bienville, to explore territories in Louisiana, and they arrived at the gulf inlet that is now called Mobile Bay in 1699. The area was subsequently considered crucial to establishing French occupation of Louisiana and the brothers were ordered to colonize the region, which was inhabited by the Mobile, or Maubila, tribe. In 1702 Bienville established Fort Louis de la Mobileānamed to honor France’s king and to acknowledge the native tribeāat Twenty Seven Mile Bluff on the banks of the Mobile River, just north of present-day Mobile. It was the first French town in the gulf region.
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so she was born in mobile before there was a there? how do you verify something like that?
I find many De Lorie and Lorie in the north .
but not many spelled like Loree is only in the south .
the only thing I can which may or may not be a factor in this is for sure there someplace is a indian town called ‘Loree’, maybe it sounds like Jore or Oiree, but spelled like Loree and it is near Coosa it seems. that is at least interesting to find out more about because there was nothing around mobile in those years. so…….
so was margaret from “Loree” it is in the south someplace . but I haven’t found that town yet.
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=knock&id=I363109
so because I do not remember grandma saying the name ‘Lorie’ as this looks to be pronounced .. but do remember her saying the name LOWERY or some spelling/soundings similar. a surname I know as being connected to her family somehow .
could this John Loree be what the french in the south was pronouncing as Lorie and what later became known in the cherokee and was pronouncing more like LOu w ree( you know the south, the way they can elongate a vowel ) . because I know grandma said ‘Lowery’ or something very very similar to that .
because this John Loree is just a few feet from Pohattan’s place of death and one or two generations in time .
so this is one of my best guesses for right now.
gee trying to tie what bits I do remember with all these documents and spellings and pronunciations possibilities and locations is kind of hard or even impossible .
this guess makes sense in that their might be that Algonquin connections between NY and Kaskaskia/Ste Genevieve etc
and since it really looks like all Lorie, Loree and Lowery (sp?) surnames seems to early have connections to NY state at least on the Y male lines .
if anyone is doing dna on these lines and finds a Y line match between Lowery and Loree can someone let me know what you found. thanks.
maybe that guess from the few clues I remember can help someone somehow.
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=shtritar&id=I95267
so is this the same line as my Loree/Lorie but in english language influienced and not french influenced.
because I most definitely remember her saying this Surname ‘Hamilton’ and couldn’t figure out how or where it was connected. maybe this is it !
what I still do not know is if this is the family in her line someplace that is connected to Pohattan’s family somehow . just maybe we’re a few feet away and a few generations.
my problem is I remember stories or I remember names .. but I do not remember the names in the stories. so I have some names I associated somethings with so I do remember them or stories I associated somethings with and remember them , but what I do not remember at all , was which people names were in which story.
I guess we are stuck with dna to see if some Loree /Lorie lines match some Lowery lines.
but knowing some native cultures moral code….. well more than a few females may have been giving their sons their surnames and so the dna may not / will not match all lines of lowery and loree/lorie , but some may.
gee what a puzzle this is , or from
Russel Crowe in Robinhood said it like ‘the science of memory’ and also mixed with double dose of reality, and so very non romantic !
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